We now fear our neighbor as much as we fear the "other" political party, is the US doomed?

In this day and age when people are afraid to open their doors or are scared when the doorbell rings..what do you expect?

When did society change so much that people are afraid when the doorbell rings? They were talking about this on the radio last week and I was stunned by the amount of callers indicating they don't answer the door if someone comes.

How do people even go outside anymore?

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I agree that it is a good thing we have highly individualistic societies but as with everything there are downsides to this. In a collectivist society you'll see more moderation and self-control in public...maybe we could use a little of that back again.

Peace

No, we don’t need a more oppressive society and not everyone wants to be assimilated by the Borg.

a reply to: The2Billies

Haha, that's funny that you're on the board.

I joke about it because I'm 30 and can't imagine those constraints on somewhere I live and own, but I'm sure later down the road I could see myself being all "well it would protect my property value".

I just always have fun with it when it's a topic of discussion. My mom lives in an HOA neihborhood, and she's told me some of the asinine things they've had to go through and there's always that one stay at home Karen driving around the block making sure people are within guidelines, usually the same Karen who doesn't pick up her dog's sh## with the little baggies in other people's lawns.

a reply to: Metallicus

Jesus....is everything in extremes with you?

If it's not black than it must be white...I probably wouldn't want to ring your door as a neighbor with a complaint.

Peace

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I agree that it is a good thing we have highly individualistic societies but as with everything there are downsides to this. In a collectivist society you'll see more moderation and self-control in public...maybe we could use a little of that back again.

Peace

No, we don’t need a more oppressive society and not everyone wants to be assimilated by the Borg.

Welp, that's the beauty of choice here in the grand young United States. Want to live in a micro managed city/town? They exist. Want to live in another one but be in a tight HOA? That exists too.

Even where I live in a county of 200,000~, you can choose to live on the mountain with 1,000 people, and no one will bug you if you want it that way, or you can be tight as blood as many are the sweetest hearts who just like being on in the boonies.

Life is truly what you make of it.

a reply to: WalterTilley

I wouldn't expect a person to answer a door in this day and age, not due to fear especially, due to the fact that anyone who would have a need to be at their house should notify them first before stopping by. The only person that gets a pass is the mail carrier, and most likely it's for a package, that you have received a notice about so you know to expect the mail carrier. If some random person knocks on my door, I don't plan on answering it either, no real reason at all.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Did you try taking your foot off of his head? (I imagine it's one of those vertical deep freezers)

And risk letting my literal meal ticket escape? You're funny...

Ya know if you wear the right boots they double as tenderizers too.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

That's hilarious, our ex-HOA President insisted I drive around with a clipboard recording violations.

So I did, her house got 3 of them. Neighbors had been complaining about her house specifically, so I knew it would backfire.

One for her trash can being in the wrong location, one for her front porch that looked like a hillbilly lived there, and one for her yard where she planted a bunch of trees in a square on both sides of her house.

She told me to stop driving around with the clipboard, that it was mean and unnecessary.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: WalterTilley

I wouldn't expect a person to answer a door in this day and age, not due to fear especially, due to the fact that anyone who would have a need to be at their house should notify them first before stopping by. The only person that gets a pass is the mail carrier, and most likely it's for a package, that you have received a notice about so you know to expect the mail carrier. If some random person knocks on my door, I don't plan on answering it either, no real reason at all.

How sad, not even your next door neighbor.

Well, you are indicative of the state of the union, thanks for your honesty.

originally posted by: WalterTilley
In this day and age when people are afraid to open their doors or are scared when the doorbell rings..what do you expect?

When did society change so much that people are afraid when the doorbell rings? They were talking about this on the radio last week and I was stunned by the amount of callers indicating they don't answer the door if someone comes.

How do people even go outside anymore?

Guess they feel like they have to carry mace, pepper spray and concealed weapons.

Thanks political parties, journalists, and media.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: The2Billies

Being conditioned by MSM and TV programming to fear everything
and everyone.Being alone,afraid and paranoid makes you an easier
target later.Being friendly with your neighbors you might form groups
that would possibly work together when the poo hits the fan.The
powers that be don't want that they want to divide and conquer us all.

Best reply of the day! Thank you so very much for your comment! Wish I could give it a million stars!

a reply to: The2Billies


I avoid talking with neighbors now after years of driving around idiots with dui’s. I actually have helped neighbors twice in this situation. They both turned out to be unappreciative jerks.

My downstairs neighbor drinks beyond excessively. I liked her though and thought we could be friends. I didn’t try but she did.

Fast forward 4 months in she gets a DUI. She is a nurse and had no way to get to work and home (3-11 shift). I felt bad for her and drive her to and from for 3 months. She then started having me drive her boyfriend home too (they worked together). They would make fun of my car while they were making out in my back seat.

Lucky for me she got her license back.

Then she wants to go out whenever her boyfriend blows her off; so I feel bad and don’t want her to get another DUI so I drive her to bars. She gets sloppy drunk and very inappropriate. She makes out with strangers, insults bartenders, and twice I had to carry her to her apt with help from other neighbors.

Now I will NOT go out with her ever again. Since I have been saying no thanks she bitches about everything. She takes pictures of people’s plate #s if she thinks they don’t live here.

I literally hide from her now. She’s not a happy person, and for that I wish her the best; but good lord I can’t stand even seeing her now.

I keep to myself because I need Peace!

..... and some of my neighbors I fear, and rightfully so!



..... and she’s a typical Democrat 🤮

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: The2Billies


I avoid talking with neighbors now after years of driving around idiots with dui’s. I actually have helped neighbors twice in this situation. They both turned out to be unappreciative jerks.

My downstairs neighbor drinks beyond excessively. I liked her though and thought we could be friends. I didn’t try but she did.

Fast forward 4 months in she gets a DUI. She is a nurse and had no way to get to work and home (3-11 shift). I felt bad for her and drive her to and from for 3 months. She then started having me drive her boyfriend home too (they worked together). They would make fun of my car while they were making out in my back seat.

Lucky for me she got her license back.

Then she wants to go out whenever her boyfriend blows her off; so I feel bad and don’t want her to get another DUI so I drive her to bars. She gets sloppy drunk and very inappropriate. She makes out with strangers, insults bartenders, and twice I had to carry her to her apt with help from other neighbors.

Now I will NOT go out with her ever again. Since I have been saying no thanks she bitches about everything. She takes pictures of people’s plate #s if she thinks they don’t live here.

I literally hide from her now. She’s not a happy person, and for that I wish her the best; but good lord I can’t stand even seeing her now.

I keep to myself because I need Peace!

..... and some of my neighbors I fear, and rightfully so!

Thing is, you know your neighbors and have a history with them.

These people don't even know their neighbors or have a history with them.

You are rightfully afraid of your neighbors who have openly engaged in wretched behavior.

People who are terrified to even interact with their neighbors who have done nothing wrong they know of, except their dog barks - are indicative of what the US culture has become. Divided, distrustful, longing for totalitarianism that will force people to "behave", except they don't realize the abject personal terror of doing the wrong thing, that comes with a socialist authoritarian collectivist society. Thanks mainly to political parties, and secondly journalists and finally the media.

a reply to: The2Billies

Why do I need to know my neighbors? I live in an apartment building and am only home maybe 20% of the time, the rest I'm on the road for work. People move in and out so much there's no way I could even come close to keeping track of it all. When I move next year to the house I'm building, I'll be on 10 acres, no one should even be able to see my house, nor should I be able to see anyone else's. I most likely will get to know my neighbors there, as there's a highly unlikely chance of any of them moving within 6 months (or less). No HOA thankfully, I can't even begin to understand why anyone would want to live in that type of environment either. It strikes me as seeing your home not as a home, but as an investment.

As far as being indicative of the state of the union, you mean, leave me alone and I'll leave you alone? What's so wrong about all of that?

a reply to: The2Billies

That's hilarious, our ex-HOA President insisted I drive around with a clipboard recording violations.

That's accepting bad optics for no reward.

Most if not all people don't look kindly on the person with the clipboard reporting "violations". Most people work long days, get home to deal with kids, and their kids sports and what not, mow the lawn every week, and if they're lucky get an hour to unwind how they wish (hopefully with a nice drink). Keeping up with the bylaws is a pain in the ass. And when your wife finally makes you buckle on the one Saturday you have mostly free to paint such and such, you book it to the hardware store and knock it out so you can catch up on some rest and relaxation.

Typically the clipboard wielder doesn't have that schedule, or they wouldn't agree to doing the task that literally no one wants to do, and don't want to look like the hall monitor of the sub division.

Food for thought, I'm not judging, just speaking out loud.

I came to offer rebuttal to your initial assertion, but again I am late to the party.

Suffice to say I speak to my neighbors by phone all the time, over the fence occasionally - and then there's the social media that only the wife knows how to use (noFB4me).

"Out here" as the Tractor Supply commercial goes, it's a walk to your neighbor's door, through their fence gate with both beware of dog & owner signs (one yardsign warns of "mines"), run the gauntlet of their animals before you get to knock. We all use cellphones to set up a F2F. Nobody is scared of their neighbor here, but if you're not our neighbor, best not be poking around the property. And it's not unusual to see/hear neighbors with guns out on their own property. We've got a bad infestation of wild boars and incursion by coyotes. BTW, it is literally (!) 15 minutes to the Metroplex by freeway.

20 years ago when I lived in the big inner city, I just didn't have occasion to talk to my neighbors unless we were sharing the alley space connecting our rear entry garages to the street. Lived across the street from a major school; many neighbors kept to themselves in avoidance of the daily after school descent of hoards. Besides, we all had jobs back then and were never home in the daytime anyway. Halloween brought more kids from school than neighborhood kids so it was rare to meet neighbors knocking on your door with trick-or-treat kids.

ganjoa

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Metallicus

Jesus....is everything in extremes with you?

If it's not black than it must be white...I probably wouldn't want to ring your door as a neighbor with a complaint.

Peace

I have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that threatens freedom and personal liberty. So, yes, when it comes to that particular topic I am very passionate.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Metallicus

Jesus....is everything in extremes with you?

If it's not black than it must be white...I probably wouldn't want to ring your door as a neighbor with a complaint.

Peace

I have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that threatens freedom and personal liberty. So, yes, when it comes to that particular topic I am very passionate.

General rule of thumb, if one of the two parties are in power, your personal liberty is threatened.

One side wants to tell you which words and ideas are in or off limits, or how you protect yourself...

The other side wants to tell you if a plant is OK to ingest, and up until a few years ago, who you could marry.

Those are just examples, we all know we could think of plenty more.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: The2Billies

Why do I need to know my neighbors? I live in an apartment building and am only home maybe 20% of the time, the rest I'm on the road for work. People move in and out so much there's no way I could even come close to keeping track of it all. When I move next year to the house I'm building, I'll be on 10 acres, no one should even be able to see my house, nor should I be able to see anyone else's. I most likely will get to know my neighbors there, as there's a highly unlikely chance of any of them moving within 6 months (or less). No HOA thankfully, I can't even begin to understand why anyone would want to live in that type of environment either. It strikes me as seeing your home not as a home, but as an investment.

As far as being indicative of the state of the union, you mean, leave me alone and I'll leave you alone? What's so wrong about all of that?

The state of the union is terror of ones neighbor for no real reason other than the political parties and the media have convinced people that they should be afraid of their neighbor and anyone they don't know.

Not "leave me alone, I'll leave you alone" It's "leave me alone, or I'll call the police and have you arrested for speaking to me."

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: The2Billies

That's hilarious, our ex-HOA President insisted I drive around with a clipboard recording violations.

That's accepting bad optics for no reward.

Most if not all people don't look kindly on the person with the clipboard reporting "violations". Most people work long days, get home to deal with kids, and their kids sports and what not, mow the lawn every week, and if they're lucky get an hour to unwind how they wish (hopefully with a nice drink). Keeping up with the bylaws is a pain in the ass. And when your wife finally makes you buckle on the one Saturday you have mostly free to paint such and such, you book it to the hardware store and knock it out so you can catch up on some rest and relaxation.

Typically the clipboard wielder doesn't have that schedule, or they wouldn't agree to doing the task that literally no one wants to do, and don't want to look like the hall monitor of the sub division.

Food for thought, I'm not judging, just speaking out loud.

Yep, I did it for exactly that purpose. To make a point about how awful it is to do that.

My report included 3 violations at the person's house who insisted I do it, the ex-HOA President. One violation of a yard with a lawn over 12" tall where I knew the healthy and at home mother/adult daughter from their lounging at the community pool, they rarely mowed their lawn, very rarely. One violation of a person who literally had 3 foot tall weeds in the front "garden" area in place of plants and where they had ripped out their front tree in their yard 3ft plus tall weeds.

The point was that the person demanding the clipboard be walked around the neighborhood was being an ass. To prove it, I did it, and she was the one who had the most violations, and I knew it before I agreed to do it after protesting doing it for months.

It was pure retribution so she could see how awful, hurtful, mean and stupid it was to do such a thing. When she insisted it was the "duty" of HOA member to do this weekly. After she got 3 violations, voila, she said no more clipboards in the neighborhood.