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posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

eh dont think it would be likely and would hinge on pence not caring and admittedly i know not much about him other then his evangelical beliefs . but it would be one hell of a hail Mary which if he pulled off would not only make him the most devious president in history ,enrage dems to such levels i dont even think we can quantify it with a percentage , like imagine it they think his head is in a noose and that hes done and he pulls what i talked about?

and lol if it did work(HUGE IF as im not sure if the 25th amendment would come into play in an election) trump becomes pence's insurance policy can you imagine dems having to debate impeaching pence and putting trump back into office with a blanket pardon for all past crimes like Nixon walked with?

then there is the almost constant trend of us politics of dem for 8 years leads to republican for 8 years lather rinse and repeat and barring some successful independent campaign winning i dont see that changing any time soon(clinton got us bush,bush got us obama,obama got us trump)

and while your theory isnt the most likely(possibly more likely then mine) just for hair brained ideas imagine if trump got made AG or got appointed to some kind of federal judgeship (no way in hell) imagine him and kavanaugh on the scotus together




posted on Oct, 1 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

wait can you explain this to me like im a 5 year old. so if that link is accurate even if he is impeached in the house convicted in the senate the senate can then in theory still decide against baring him from holding future public office?

and as a second question the senate could in theory vote for him being censured vs removed? ie he gets a bad note in his record a slap on the hand and basically asked to not do it again?

or am i reading this wrong and dumb about this?



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: Deetermined

Exactly. 20 republicans would have to agree. That's almost 40% of the republicans. At most they can get 10. But they can't even get that because without 20 they get somewhere between zero and two.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Correct. The senate can convict and apply whatever penalty they want (up to the constitutionally prescribed ones). They are the jury/sentencing body.
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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Byrd
Very unlikely.

Oh, I know, that was kind of the intent behind the final 'I have a dream' reference...



There are only 33 seats up for reelection in the Senate in 2020

Good point... but I just checked, and there are apparently 35, 20 of which are currently Rs, so 15 Ds. We'd have to keep all of ours, and pick up 13 of the 15 Ds.

So, yeah, although very unlikely seems an understatement.

But again... "I have a dream!"


and although all the House seats are up for reelection, and frankly there aren't enough "Freedom Caucus" people running for anything to make it likely.

I haven't even tried to look at that, and wouldn't know how or have the time to give it a serious try, but - how do you know this?


Nor are they likely to please voters in deep blue areas.

And the current radical-left-socialists are pleasing them?


And it might depend on the terms of the impeachment. If they impeach him for fraud and abuse of funds to enrich himself, then that will have an impact on people.

It would have an impact on me too, if it were true. But it obviously isn't, and there would be zero evidence in any Senate trial, so, to use your words... 'very unlikely'.


And if he focuses on impeachment and ignores natural disasters (like floods, fires, hurricanes) then the rural areas aren't going to be in his corner.

After seeing his performance and abilities the last 3 years... 'very unlikely' doesn't even come close.

Personally... I think he is having the time of his life right now. I never believed in real miracles before now...
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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: BoscoMoney
SO if, let's say Trump is removed, can these delusional traitors do the same to Pence?

They could try, but do you actually believe that they would dare, much less succeed a second time?

I know this is a 'What if' thread, but let's at least stay within 2 or 3 variations on reality...



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Did you know that in other countries, they don't have political indoctrination classes?

Did you know that it is possible to give simple classes on governmental structure and processes without it being 'indoctrination'.

Those are called 'Civics' classes.

It's true.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
yeah i googled it after i posted and realzied i was wrong , only way the pardon would play is if he stepped down(id imagine conditionally on getting said pardon) got pardoned for the crimes he was alleged to have done and would allegedly be impeached for then on paper he would be gravy assuming pence plays ball. hell i guess if pence would be fine being a "puppet president" he could try to pick trump as his vp and just let him run the show (meaning have pence run as president and pick trump as his vp vs appointing him which would require the senate and house to vote to allow him to be vp)

which could in theory pacify the base,shut down the dems and keep momentum going into 2020 and then with pence as president he could issue any additional pardons as things went on for anything else the dems decide to come up with

Sorry, that is just plain dumb.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Correct. The senate can convict and apply whatever penalty they want (up to the constitutionally prescribed ones).

No, there are two, and only two, penalties the Senate can apply. Removal from Office. And Prohibition on future service in any Office. These are the only two punishments proscribed by the Constitution.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
so if that link is accurate

It is, as far as it goes. There simply isn't much historical precedent to go on with respect to the power of impeachment.


even if he is impeached in the house convicted in the senate the senate can then in theory still decide against baring him from holding future public office?

Correct. There are two punishments proscribed by the Constitution, and currently, the Senate claims the power to exact those punishments separately and individually. So, in theory at least, they could vote to prohibit holding future office, but not remove him from his current office.

Extremely unlikely they would go that route, but only slightly less likely than the opposite (removal from office, but no prohibition on serving again).


and as a second question the senate could in theory vote for him being censured vs removed? ie he gets a bad note in his record a slap on the hand and basically asked to not do it again?

I actually don't see a problem with this because, it would simply be counted as the Senate failing to convict, but deciding to Censure instead. It couldn't, in my opinion, be a conviction, with the punishment of Censure.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Deetermined

Exactly. 20 republicans would have to agree. That's almost 40% of the republicans. At most they can get 10. But they can't even get that because without 20 they get somewhere between zero and two.

That's why this is a 'What if' thread...

I wasn't suggesting this was something that was extremely likely to happen.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Here's a thought...what if Trump is not impeached by the senate,wins re election,and then as pences VP for another 4 to 8 yrs. Lol.


That would violate the 25th amendment pertaining to Presidential Succession. Because the VP becomes President if Pence were to die, resign, be impeached himself then Trump, per the 25th Amendment would become President and you’re only allowed 2 terms. The best case scenario there is that trump would have a maximum of 2 more years as “acting President” (based on how far into Pence’s term he became incapable of holding office of POTUS) while emergency elections were held. The most likely scenario though is that he would be ruled ineligible to run as VP on the ticket to avoid a costly special election and likely a good deal of time arguing in front of SCOTUS.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Groovy., They all get away with it.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl


There are only 33 seats up for reelection in the Senate in 2020

Good point... but I just checked, and there are apparently 35, 20 of which are currently Rs, so 15 Ds. We'd have to keep all of ours, and pick up 13 of the 15 Ds.

So, yeah, although very unlikely seems an understatement.


What's more intriguing is that Texas seems to be turning Democrat, for the first time in more than half a century (and I live in Texas and can confirm this. At one point it "could get your car keyed or tires slashed" (and yes this happened) if you had a Democratic bumper sticker. That's changed.)

Now, we've still got a "winner takes all" policy of the electoral college here in Texas (which essentially disenfranchised me and everyone else who voted Democrat) - but this election if the state DOES go blue, it will be a huge turning point.

Right now, the cities tend to vote for Democrats and we're seeing a lot more of them in office. The freshmen legislators are less inclined to sit and gab on committees and more inclined to talk to their communities and see what needs to be done. It's a refreshing change from the "Old Boys System."



and although all the House seats are up for reelection, and frankly there aren't enough "Freedom Caucus" people running for anything...

I haven't even tried to look at that, and wouldn't know how or have the time to give it a serious try, but - how do you know this?

Basic googling. The Tea Party and its ilk doesn't seem to be gaining ground in local races. Back when the Tea Party first started and on the rise, we saw an increase in the number of Republicans in local offices. Over time, the Tea Party politicians have been gradually decreasing in numbers.

The evidence seems to suggest less support for Tea Party and aligned coalitions. Hence, less chance for the Freedom Caucus.



Nor are they likely to please voters in deep blue areas.

And the current radical-left-socialists are pleasing them?

Perhaps pay less attention to labels and more attention to legislation? My state Representative pushed through a law to fund the backlog of rape kits (some of the untested cases were over 10 years old!), sponsors cold-weather coat drives for poor students, holds seminars on "How to pay for college." Her opponent's sole campaign platform was "OMG! Shes a socialistic Democrat and a woman and she once got a traffic ticket for DWI!"

No kidding.

So, yeah, voters prefer candidates who give to the community. "I'm a conservative" doesn't seem to hold much weight against "improving process for dealing juvenile offenders."




And if he focuses on impeachment and ignores natural disasters (like floods, fires, hurricanes) then the rural areas aren't going to be in his corner.

After seeing his performance and abilities the last 3 years... 'very unlikely' doesn't even come close.

Exactly. The people of Puerto Rico (who are American citizens) aren't going to forget (or forget his removing aid to pay for his border wall dream) nor will California forget his threat to withhold aid for fire based on politics... and the Midwest has grown increasingly frustrated with his trade wars that have hurt our farmers. He's lost some votes there, though how significant the number is anyone's guess.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Byrd
" "and although all the House seats are up for reelection, and frankly there aren't enough "Freedom Caucus" people running for anything..."

I haven't even tried to look at that, and wouldn't know how or have the time to give it a serious try, but - how do you know this?"

Basic googling.

Seriously? Well, good to know you have nothing substantive to back up your assertion.


" "Nor are they likely to please voters in deep blue areas."

And the current radical-left-socialists are pleasing them?"

Perhaps pay less attention to labels and more attention to legislation?

We aren't discussing local politics, we're talking national - and the radical-leftist-wing-nut-socialists have taken over your party in case you hadn't noticed.


" "And if he focuses on impeachment and ignores natural disasters (like floods, fires, hurricanes) then the rural areas aren't going to be in his corner."

After seeing his performance and abilities the last 3 years... 'very unlikely' doesn't even come close."

Exactly. The people of Puerto Rico

He sent more aid to Puerto Rico than anyone had before - he can't help it if their local governor/government was totally corrupt and didn't use the money to help their people.

His responses to the other disasters that have occurred have been excellent - too bad the demwits in Congress keep blocking the aid packages.


and the Midwest has grown increasingly frustrated with his trade wars that have hurt our farmers. He's lost some votes there, though how significant the number is anyone's guess.

Actually, while the farmers and others are grumbling, most acknowledge and appreciate what he is trying to do, and are willing to experience a little short term pain for long term gain.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
Did you know that in other countries, they don't have political indoctrination classes?

Did you know that it is possible to give simple classes on governmental structure and processes without it being 'indoctrination'.

Those are called 'Civics' classes.

It's true.


No doubt it is.

But most countries in the world just do not have special classes that teach only one political structure and process.

They don't have Civics classes at all.

They do have history, economics and social sciences classes which teach about many political systems.

In universities (tertiary education) they have a whole raft of humanities subjects where the specifics are taught, such as Law, Economics and Philosophy, but which usually have a far broader scope than just one particular political system.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

The Oxford comma between these three words “ office , and removed “ Give any party the ability to challenge legal contracts .

That’s as far as I took it because at that point I knew it had a chance . Putuation is very important in legal matters .

www.linkedin.com...



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: tanstaafl

sorry to step in here however I lived in the permian basin people in the west Texas are still Staunch Republicans,

East Texas and the 35 corridor has picked up more folks from blue states,

it's more an influx rather than a change of mind.

(and yes some of the "good ole' boys" feel remorse for past transgressions, I was only a "carpet bagger")



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl
We aren't discussing local politics, we're talking national - and the radical-leftist-wing-nut-socialists have taken over your party in case you hadn't noticed.

You were talking about a takeover of the Senate and House. And that doesn't happen unless there's substantial support in the state.

Now, it's probably because politics is such a blood sport here in Texas, but local politicians can make or break a Senator because they can round up their constituents to vote for or against a candidate.


He sent more aid to Puerto Rico than anyone had before

The scope of the devastation was unlike any other previous event. Plus, some of that was the result of Congress budgeting and allocating.


His responses to the other disasters that have occurred have been excellent...

I'm not impressed. As I recall (and I checked the FEMA website, which gives the breakdown of allocated/sent/programs : recovery.fema.gov... ) there was nothing for the midwest and the relief sent to Puerto Rico was $14 billion (I have friends in Puerto Rico and the story from there and on NPR varied from the version you see here at ATS)

And I recall that his response to California's huge fire was "rake the forest" and threats about sanctuary cities and withholding funds.



and the Midwest has grown increasingly frustrated with his trade wars that have hurt our farmers. He's lost some votes there, though how significant the number is anyone's guess.

Actually, while the farmers and others are grumbling, most acknowledge and appreciate what he is trying to do, and are willing to experience a little short term pain for long term gain.


Those who lost their farms as a result of this "little short term pain" (a few, certainly but not a large number) have probably changed their minds.

And the "little short term pain" is turning into much longer term pain (again, according to news interviews that I've seen the China tariffs are still on and he's announced new ones on Europe: www.forbes.com...) and there's a lot of doubt and frustration -- and then there's the (not discussed on here) Fox News story about corn-ethanol rules that Trump changed: www.foxnews.com... that they're not happy with. Ethanol plants are shutting down. He did say he's going to reverse this, but it's been more than a month since that promise and the deal currently offered has some problems.

We shall see. The public tends to have short memories.
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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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What if......the dems didn't have to cheat to impeach trump?
As bad as they make him out to be you would think it would be easy....right?



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