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Cali to allow college athletes to be paid

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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I'm not in the habit of telling people how they should conduct their lives as I'm not an authoritarian looking for more bureaucracy.

No one is forced to play in the NCAA. That is a choice they make. They can always choose to just pay tuition like anyone else, and then they get to endorse whatever they want.

Viva capitalism, remember?

TheRedneck




posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

Without the NCAA (or an agreement between schools similar) college football will cease to exist.


I'd be ****in heartbroken.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So no, earning money isn't going to make a blown out knee any better.

If you're not in the habit of telling people how to conduct their lives then why are on here telling people how the NCAA should conduct things in case of an injury?



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

No one is forced to play in the NCAA. That is a choice they make. They can always choose to just pay tuition like anyone else, and then they get to endorse whatever they want.


Not sure what planet you reside on but any athlete, scholarship or on paid tuition, cannot get endorsement deals.


That means players make a net-zero profit off their talents throughout their entire four years of schooling, and players who receive partial-to-no scholarships and must pay tuition are essentially paying to work for their schools. Source



Viva capitalism, remember?


Just not for college football weebs.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Piss on the NCAA, it's a monopoly in all but name only. I hope it dies a quick and painful death. Viva capitalism.

Without the NCAA (or an agreement between schools similar) college football will cease to exist. Solution accomplished; no more endorsements to argue over.

Viva capitalism... unless it involves rules. Got it.

TheRedneck


Only when it's rules you don't agree with.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
So no, earning money isn't going to make a blown out knee any better.


No? It cannot get you PT or specialized surgery? I guess you don't fully understand the value of money.


If you're not in the habit of telling people how to conduct their lives then why are on here telling people how the NCAA should conduct things in case of an injury?


The NCAA isn't a person home slice, it's a monopoly.

'But muh foot-bawl...'



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
Only when it's rules you don't agree with.


Psst! Redneck doesn't even understand the rules he's trying to talk about.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's life. Then you major in General Studies, then you get drafted for $30,000,000.00+ after your second season of no-pay college football. Poor, poor athletes.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
So no, earning money isn't going to make a blown out knee any better.


No? It cannot get you PT or specialized surgery? I guess you don't fully understand the value of money.


If you're not in the habit of telling people how to conduct their lives then why are on here telling people how the NCAA should conduct things in case of an injury?


The NCAA isn't a person home slice, it's a monopoly.

'But muh foot-bawl...'


No, the university pays for every bit of that.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Psst! Redneck doesn't even understand the rules he's trying to talk about.

Psst! You don't understand what capitalism is, either.

You are actually asking for government to effectively outlaw an organization voluntarily created by the schools, and claiming "Viva capitalism" the whole time.

Viva capitalism as long as the government controls it?

No, that won't work... you don't like government controls usually.

Viva capitalism as long as the government controls the parts you like?

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Not sure what planet you reside on but any athlete, scholarship or on paid tuition, cannot get endorsement deals.

Sorry, that only applies to athletes competing in school-sponsored events. I was talking about unsponsored events. The school has no say in that. As a matter of fact, the school can't kick a player out of school for accepting endorsements anyway... all they can do is remove him/her from the team in accordance with association rules. That may or may not change their payment status.

You actually prove my point. If it is so critical that an athlete play for an association in order to get endorsements, then obviously it is the association who made the endorsements possible.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
Poor, poor athletes.


Not anymore! Thanks free market.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
No, the university pays for every bit of that.


For ever and ever?

We both know who pays once you're out of school.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

Psst! You don't understand what capitalism is, either.


I know it isn't college football weebs crying that college football might go away.


You are actually asking for government to effectively outlaw an organization voluntarily created by the schools, and claiming "Viva capitalism" the whole time.


Where does the NCAA get outlawed? If it falls apart that's the free market at work. You know, capitalism.


Viva capitalism as long as the government controls it?


The government controls who the athletes get to receive endorsement money from? No, that would be the monopoly that is the NCAA.


No, that won't work... you don't like government controls usually.

Viva capitalism as long as the government controls the parts you like?


Nope, they just said that athletes can collect endorsement money, it's all very free market. It's even more delicious to watch the 'conservatives' squirm because it came out of California. Who would have thought?



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
No, the university pays for every bit of that.


For ever and ever?

We both know who pays once you're out of school.


You're rambling. Once they're out of school, they can get a job and make money. They'll have a degree.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

Sorry, that only applies to athletes competing in school-sponsored events.


No NCAA athlete can collect endorsement money under any circumstances whatsoever. Learn the rules.


As a matter of fact, the school can't kick a player out of school for accepting endorsements anyway... all they can do is remove him/her from the team in accordance with association rules. That may or may not change their payment status.


'May or may not'? Sure, the endorser would be thrilled to pay an athlete who cannot play. Hur-dur.


You actually prove my point. If it is so critical that an athlete play for an association in order to get endorsements, then obviously it is the association who made the endorsements possible.


Really? It's not their talents?


The mental gymnastics you guys are performing for your weebery is gotta to be one of the most bizarre things I've seen on this site. You need to vote for Warren, she's more your speed on this one.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
You're rambling. Once they're out of school, they can get a job and make money. They'll have a degree.


Are you saying the accumulated finances they could accrue from endorsements while in college wouldn't help? Of course they would.

'Conservatives' limiting earning potential. Love it.



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Bluntone22

NCAA can easily rescind accreditation from each CA school that violates NCAA rules prohibiting pay for play. That would ultimately make CA a league unto themselves and neuter their revenue as well as their attractiveness to upper tier athletes.


And this will never happen. Instead CA is going to attract the top talent in the country because the SOLE purpose of the kids going through the AAU is to ink an pro deals after college. If they can get noticed prior to the NBA by signing endorsement deals while still in college then we are going to see a mass exodus of players to CA.

The NCAA is not going to shoot that cash cow in the head and instead will create bylaws allowing exemptions but rest assured the NCAA will get it's pound of flesh.

For anyone unaware the NCAA is one of the most corrupt sports organizations on the planet.
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posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:22 PM
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Where does the NCAA get outlawed? If it falls apart that's the free market at work. You know, capitalism.

We're discussing a law. A law that unfairly allows one state to override the restrictions that everyone else in the association agreed to.


The government controls who the athletes get to receive endorsement money from? No, that would be the monopoly that is the NCAA.

The government of one state controls whether endorsements can be had.

I have no problem with accepting endorsements as long as the athletes are insulated from the monetary traps associated with them and pay back some to the association they are using to profit. I have a problem with the government deciding policy, especially a state government.


Nope, they just said that athletes can collect endorsement money, it's all very free market. It's even more delicious to watch the 'conservatives' squirm because it came out of California.

The problem is that it came out of California. It would be a problem if it came out of Alabama. No one state gets to invalidate voluntarily contracts at the national level for their state.

Strange you seem happy to see an American institution torn down because you don't like it. What else don't you like that you think no one else should enjoy?

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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No NCAA athlete can collect endorsement money under any circumstances whatsoever.

Where is the law that says one cannot be an athlete without belonging to the NCAA?

Just don't participate in NCAA events and don't take advantage of an NCAA school sports program, and you can take any endorsement you want.

Learn to read.


'May or may not'? Sure, the endorser would be thrilled to pay an athlete who cannot play. Hur-dur.

Exactly my point. They are using NCAA venues to become attractive to endorsers.


Really? It's not their talents?

Not just their talents, no. And those talents don't mean much without a good coach, either, nor do they get the same kind of attention without being part of a team. You just admitted to that above.

TheRedneck



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