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Since whistle blowers are heroes now, what about Snowden and Assange?

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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: network dude




Going outside the chain of command when you have TS clearance is totally cool though.

The whistleblower, in this case, followed the letter of the law. Addressed a matter of "urgent concern" to the committees of intelligence of the House and Senate and submitted the matter to the ICIG while protecting any potentially classified material.


(5)
(A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
www.law.cornell.edu...

Quite different from Snowden's actions.

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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude




Going outside the chain of command when you have TS clearance is totally cool though.

The whistleblower, in this case, followed the letter of the law. Addressed a matter of "urgent concern" to the committees of intelligence of the House and Senate and submitted the matter to the ICIG while protecting any potentially classified material.


(5)
(A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
www.law.cornell.edu...

Quite different from Snowden's actions.


so the whistle blower was in the meeting when the phone call took place?

You used to at least be intellectually honest. now you are left with very little.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: network dude




so the whistle blower was in the meeting when the phone call took place?

No. Did you read the complaint? The whistleblower says they were not.

What's your point?
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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude




Going outside the chain of command when you have TS clearance is totally cool though.

The whistleblower, in this case, followed the letter of the law. Addressed a matter of "urgent concern" to the committees of intelligence of the House and Senate and submitted the matter to the ICIG while protecting any potentially classified material.


(5)
(A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
www.law.cornell.edu...

Quite different from Snowden's actions.


so the whistle blower was in the meeting when the phone call took place?

You used to at least be intellectually honest. now you are left with very little.


The democrat party has that effect on people. Devolution example.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Theyy
a reply to: thedigirati

Okay?


So the name of the republicans is "Okay,"

What state is that person from exactly?

(You made the c!aim, not me)



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: thedigirati

Sean Hannity Sarah Palin Mike Huckabee.


www.youtube.com...
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www.youtube.com...

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Here you go
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lol u want more!

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another one
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he should be treated as a terrorist - newt ginrich

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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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Sorry, a CIA operative is not a whistleblower, he's a political hack.

President Kennedy famously proclaimed that he would “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds” (shortly before getting shot)

Imagine there being a CIA whistleblower...? Come on, lets get real.

The CIA is one of the most notorious political and killing machines on the entire GLOBE.

Operation NORTHWOOD - Mock up plan similar to 9/11, instead blamed on Cuban Nationals to support a war with Cuba
Operation MKULTRA - Well known mind-control operation conducted by the CIA
Operation PBSUCCESS (COUP) - Arming terrorist radicals at our border and the violent overthrow of Guatemalan president.


And ladies and gentlemen, the cream of the crop...

Operation Mockingbird.

Operation Mockingbird was an alleged large-scale program of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that began in the early 1950s and attempted to manipulate news media for propaganda purposes. It funded student and cultural organizations and magazines as front organizations.

How ironic...Or not.
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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 06:33 PM
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Since whistle blowers are heroes now, what about Snowden and Assange?

'Heroes' have names.

Anonymous sources are Zero's.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 07:26 PM
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Hmm.. two of those whistle-blowers were revealing government secrets. And the most recent is uncovering corruption in our government. Apples and oranges, and not even close to comparable. And I 1000% guarantee if a whistle-blower had uncovered something Obama was involved in, you would have NO problem, whatsoever with it.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 05:15 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude




so the whistle blower was in the meeting when the phone call took place?

No. Did you read the complaint? The whistleblower says they were not.

What's your point?


the point is, the guy/girl who spilled the beans to the whistle blower bypassed the chain of command and did so with a TS clearance. Your dishonesty won't work here.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude




Going outside the chain of command when you have TS clearance is totally cool though.

The whistleblower, in this case, followed the letter of the law. Addressed a matter of "urgent concern" to the committees of intelligence of the House and Senate and submitted the matter to the ICIG while protecting any potentially classified material.


(5)
(A) An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.
www.law.cornell.edu...

Quite different from Snowden's actions.


In laymans: if your trying to impeach a sitting President then it's ok as your political party will protect you. However any other whistle blowers will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Phage I have watched you twist words eloquently through the years, but no matter how smoothly you think this one can be done.. it's still a crime !




posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:33 AM
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Leakers vs. Whistle-blowers.

Leak to a Journalist or Foreign Government and it falls under the espionage act.
Officially file an internal complaint and it falls under Whistle-Blower Protections.

Snowden leaked to the public.

Assange also leaked to the public, and selectively on behalf of and often at the direction of the Russian government.

The current whistle-blower followed legal internal whistle-blower procedures, elevating his complaints through proper channels where classified information could be evaluated and protected.

Other notes:

Snowden recently gave a fascinating interview, one of the things he mentioned was that all discussions and negotiations about returning to the USA and conditions for a fair trial stopped since Trump took office.

I agree with Snowden that "public good" and "intent" should be legally weighed in trials of leakers.

Exposing government wrong-doing to a journalist is different than giving classified information to a Foreign Government.
The Espionage act makes no distinction.




posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: kingsquirel

Follow the letter of the law in reporting a complaint of government wrong-doing through proper channels and you will receive Whistle-Blower protections.

Share classified information with journalists or foreign governments and you will be prosecuted.

THAT is the construct of the law.

Two people working on a classified missile system for the US Government where the Contractor is embezzling taxpayer money.

One reports the corruption through the Whistle-Blower complaint process internally, not exposing the program.

The other shares details of the program and corruption with a journalist.

The first receives Whistle-Blower protection, the latter will likely be prosecuted under the espionage act.
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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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Poor Seth Rich, both gone and forgotten...



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: network dude




so the whistle blower was in the meeting when the phone call took place?

No. Did you read the complaint? The whistleblower says they were not.

What's your point?


the point is, the guy/girl who spilled the beans to the whistle blower bypassed the chain of command and did so with a TS clearance. Your dishonesty won't work here.


About a dozen people, not just a guy/girl.

They did not bypass chain of command, they did not "spill the beans" to the whistle-blower, they shared details of the Ukraine call with the CIA point on Ukraine as is expected, common practice and policy. In normal circumstances the CIA point on Ukraine would have received the read-out on the call, but in this unique circumstance the WH aides hid it in a server system reserved for highly classified materials. That alone would be worthy of investigation.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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Only Liberal, Democrat whistleblowers are heroes.

Assange and Snowden are NAZIS, and tried to dirty the name of the Democrats Golden Child so they don't count..

/sarcasmoff

You have to realize by now, that this sort of thing only goes one way.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: schuyler

Snowden and Manning ought to be shot as traitors. I can't put Assange in the same category as he is not a citizen who was under a security oath, but I have no sympathy for what happens to him.


They took an oath to support and defend the constitution and bill of rights against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

The OG whistle blowers. Snowden, Assange, Manning. Are they not equally as patriotic? .


Don't forget Robert Cody Snodgrass.





posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:23 AM
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There may be nothing to this Ukraine call, who knows. But I find it funny that because it involves Trump, his followers can't make the distinction between someone leaking government secrets to the public, vs. someone following policy internally to report possible corruption from within. That is what someone is supposed to do. Do you actually expect them to NOT report this sort of thing?

Again - if this was Obama, NONE of you would have the slightest problem with the whistle-blower, and would in fact suggest it was their duty to report it, and that they did the right thing. You know that's true - you just conveniently ignore it, because your hero is under fire.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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Investigate it, sounds good to me. It just seems weird that democrats pushing for investigations of republicans is seen as fighting corruption and republicans pushing for investigating a democrat is seen as meddling with elections. Like when someone leaks information about Trump they are a whistleblower but when someone leaks information about democrats they're a russian spy. Or like how when Trump works with agents of foreign governments its treason but when Biden does it he's innocent and you should just take our word for it.
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