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Traitors will attempt to bring down UK government next week

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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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Double post, sorry.
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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg
The total number of UK Parliamentary electors when the referendum took place was 46,500,00. If only 17.4 million votes were in favour of leaving the EU you can't say the outcome represents "the will of the people". It represents, at best, the will of the people that voted.


Um. It's conventional to take that those who did not vote would have voted proportionately with those who did. If people don't vote then they take the position reached by thise who did.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg




led by a person that is a convicted law-breaker and


When was Boris Johnson convicted for breaking the law? Can you please supply a link for that ?

I will save your effort. You won't find one, because no conviction has ever taken place.




Later on the same "people" voted this hung Parliament


No one voted for a hung parliament. That was just the way it panned out.




But let's face it: it would be against the Law to leave without a deal. And since when are you against the Law?



There are ways to get around the law, which the government will already be working on.




He said there could be a scenario where lawmakers pass the divorce deal on or before October 19, and therefore Johnson is not required to write the letter, but then the subsequent legislation gets blocked in parliament and Britain leaves without a deal


www.euronews.com...



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

The total number of UK Parliamentary electors when the referendum took place was 46,500,00. If only 17.4 million votes were in favour of leaving the EU you can't say the outcome represents "the will of the people". It represents, at best, the will of the people that voted.


If they havent the will to vote how can they be considered?

The opportunity to be represented was there for them but

they simply couldn't be bothered.



Later on the same "people" voted this hung Parliament. Which, by the way, now has a NEGATIVE majority, is led by a person that is a convicted law-breaker and, clearly, a mental case, or a narcissist at best.


A referendum is NOT an election...... A convicted law breaker?

Mental case? narcissist? He's not alone there, There's a building full of

them in Westminister



When the highest Court in the Nation unanimously says you are wrong, only a narcissist would have the guts to say "Oh, well, I disagree". And labeling yourself a "model of constraint"



There's no such thing as 'The Supreme Court' , and the body that wrongly calls itself this should stay out of politics
Actually, there is no such thing as the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. They can call it that if they like, but the title is a fiction. There is nothing supreme about it.
Until we leave the EU, our actual Supreme Court is, as it has been for many years, the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg.
But if we ever manage to escape from the EU, then Parliament is a far higher court than this self-important assembly of lawyers in suits.
This nasty thing has been grafted on to our free constitution by Blairite revolutionaries – many of them Left-wing lawyers.
They had long planned a slow-motion putsch against conservative Britain. For this tiny, self-important group of men and women realised that they had an astonishing power.
They were allowed to decide what the law meant. And nobody could challenge them.
This was bad enough when they took advantage of the vague wording of ‘Human Rights’ charters.
They used this to invent all kinds of rights for those members of society they favoured and wished to help.
That use of the law to change our culture and morals was revolutionary enough. That brilliant mind, and former Supreme Court judge Lord Sumption, recently warned this would ‘entrench a broad range of liberal principles’ in the foundations of the State.
Democracy would then be almost powerless to remove or limit them.
He then accused his fellow lawyers of being so sure they were right that they claimed a monopoly on deciding how the country should be governed.
He warned, with astonishing brutality, that such a belief is ‘no different from the claim of communism, fascism, monarchism, Catholicism, Islamism and all the other great isms that have historically claimed a monopoly of legitimate political discourse on the ground that its advocates considered themselves to be obviously right’.
But the idea that the courts should have anything to say about proroguing Parliament is absurd.

There is no law, no precedent. Within our constitution, Prime Ministers can do this sort of thing and often it will be right and necessary.
You might as well get the Supreme Court to rule on whether the red wines of Burgundy are better than those of Bordeaux. But their opinion, at the end, would be worth nothing.
And so we see from the ‘evidence’ presented at this gathering of learned kangaroos. It’s all opinions.

Ten thousand brilliant legal brains could not read Mr Johnson’s mind or prove that he misled the Queen, and Her Majesty is certainly not going to give them any evidence on that score.

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk... he-united-kingdom.html





I think the best thing to do is ensure that - yes - another extension is requested. Then parliament should dissolve and general elections held. After all, if you are right and it is the will of the people that the UK leaves the EU on the current terms (none whatsoever!), they can vote Tory, or the Brexit party of Farrage's bunch, and the UK could still leave the UK this year.


There have been enough extensions, Leavers DO NOT WANT AN EXTENSION

It is those who wish to remain and you who do not live in the UK who want an

extension.



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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

Shame they didn't scream when the government imposed austerity, cut public services to the bone and sold what was left to their pals in the City.


The previous labour government emptied the coffers, and Blairs PFI was

beginning to be felt...... Seems you don't remember labour MP Liam Byrnes

note to the incoming government stating *sorry there's no money left*




Shame they won't scream when, after Brexit, after the EU takes its regional grants away, the government will make sure their pals are still looked after and screw the rest of us.


We'll have the humungous amount that we were sending to the EU which is

far more than the paltry grants we got off them and had to put up placques

that said by kind permission of the EU ..... or something like that



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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note to the incoming government stating *sorry there's no money left*


Maybe if the Labour Government didn't have to bail out the banks at a cost of £850 Billion there would have been money left.




Government support for Britain's banks has reached a staggering £850bn and the eventual cost to taxpayers will not be known for years, the public spending watchdog says today


www.independent.co.uk...
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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

Shame they didn't scream when the government imposed austerity, cut public services to the bone and sold what was left to their pals in the City.


The previous labour government emptied the coffers, and Blairs PFI was

beginning to be felt...... Seems you don't remember labour MP Liam Byrnes

note to the incoming government stating *sorry there's no money left*




Shame they won't scream when, after Brexit, after the EU takes its regional grants away, the government will make sure their pals are still looked after and screw the rest of us.


We'll have the humungous amount that we were sending to the EU which is

far more than the paltry grants we got off them and had to put up placques

that said by kind permission of the EU ..... or something like that




The note was a joke as I suspect you well know.

As is your assertion that labour emptied the coffers.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: eletheia

Maybe if the Labour Government didn't have to bail out the banks at a cost of £850 Billion there would have been money left.

Government support for Britain's banks has reached a staggering £850bn and the eventual cost to taxpayers will not be known for years, the public spending watchdog says today


My personal opinion is if they had let the first bank go down, the others would

have exercised more caution and restraint after all governments don't nanny other

business's. Fred the shred pocketed huge bonus's and a mega pension pot.

There should be a cap on huge bonus's.

The recent Thomas Cook was another example, they had been in trouble for years

they have gone under and employees have not been paid, but....... top executives

have walked away with huge bonus's.


Governments should not be considered a safety net for banks or mega companies.








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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

The note was a joke as I suspect you well know.
As is your assertion that labour emptied the coffers.



HA!! HA!!

Obviously a better comedian than an MP.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 06:34 AM
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just saying isnt lying to the queen or being dishonest to the queen , not considered being a traitor ?



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
just saying isnt lying to the queen or being dishonest to the queen , not considered being a traitor ?


The Queens prerogative? and she's not pursuing it!

And then again only two people know what was said so anything else

is pure supposition.


What next
He squeezed her thigh.....



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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
just saying isnt lying to the queen or being dishonest to the queen , not considered being a traitor ?


The use of the word "Traitor" in this thread seems to come down to what side of the political divide you fall onto rather Than what does actually constitute a traitor.

ie, it is traitorous for the opposition to talk about tabling a vote of no confidence in the government this week but it was perfectly okay for the government to do it a few weeks ago. Again, depending on who you agree with seems to dictate who is and is not a traitor.

Personally I don't think anyone is acting as a traitor, and I don't think that kind of language is helpful.
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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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Personally i go with "traitors" but apparently that is an inflammatory word.
Like "surrender" and "humbug".
FFS.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: sapien82
just saying isnt lying to the queen or being dishonest to the queen , not considered being a traitor ?


The Queens prerogative? and she's not pursuing it!

And then again only two people know what was said so anything else

is pure supposition.


What next
He squeezed her thigh.....




thats the before the watershed version, he actually "grabber her by the pussy"



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 08:02 AM
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traitor has just about as much weight as nazi or fascist at this point !

no where even close to the original meanings of the words !



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: sapien82
just saying isnt lying to the queen or being dishonest to the queen , not considered being a traitor ?


The use of the word "Traitor" in this thread seems to come down to what side of the political divide you fall onto rather Than what does actually constitute a traitor.

ie, it is traitorous for the opposition to talk about tabling a vote of no confidence in the government this week but it was perfectly okay for the government to do it a few weeks ago. Again, depending on who you agree with seems to dictate who is and is not a traitor.

Personally I don't think anyone is acting as a traitor, and I don't think that kind of language is helpful.


I think the word traitor is absolutely correct to describe people who have sought and succeeded in helping the EU's negotiating position over their own country.

I think the language is exceeding helpful because it adequately portrays the seriousness of what some people have done.


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posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 08:18 AM
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I can onyl agree about the use of hyperbolic language, using words such as Traitor is simply done to trigger/enrage its the new way of the world, everyone is just so dam entitled these days and not just millenials, if people disagree then it appears that rather than find middle ground and compromise people belive they have a right to talk down, besmirch or just plain threaten the opposing voices.

Its 2019 we all have cars, smart phones, xbox's, food ready packaged in stores, basically we never had it so good and yet certain people just want to look at the negative and label people with words not fit for purpose, what i would say about ALL MP's and parliment in general, is they dont do enough for the people and are quite happy to claim every bit of public money they can, if anyone belives an MP is looking out for them, then you have well and truly had the wool pulled over your eyes.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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True to form the Deplorables have bottled it and decided not to call for a vote of no confidence , now they're going to sit and sulk while they decided their next indecisive move.

Pathetic bunch of No Hopers , Jokers & Rogues that they are.





posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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So they're not going to call for a motion of no-confidence.

you got a link where I can read about this with out the "deplorable" spin?



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 10:02 AM
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Opposition parties will not call for a vote of no confidence in the government to topple the PM this week, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson has said.
www.bbc.co.uk...



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