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Traitors will attempt to bring down UK government next week

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posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 04:08 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: oldcarpy





Interesting to see Jezbollah getting laughed at on ITV debate tonight?


Did you miss the part where Boris " Porkie Pie " Johnson was laughed at then ?



No.

I have to agree that Johnson did tell an awful lot of lies.

They are both gits.




posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: oldcarpy

Our fault poor Cornish got dusted???

The guy was not just your mate.

Unfortunately, he crossed the line once to many times.

Not that many Scottish Mods around these here parts.

So go lay the blame at some other nationality's doorstep. LoL

We hint the site is American owned, as are most Mods, might want to start there. x


You have the wrong end of the stick there.

I dont really know exactly what his transgression was but not blaming you guys.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 04:29 AM
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all the news outlets debating over who won, I know for certain one thing, the public will have lost either way, not one has the interests of the general public at heart, to hear them answer questions by ridiculing the other shows a complete lack of self reflection

no one is perfect and we can only grow as individuals by acknowledging our faults and improving each day, something no politician is capable of



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 05:43 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
because its not an union of equals


Yes, it is. You are as represented as me if you live in Scotland, and I live in England, that is. You have the additional layer of having a Scottish Parliament with very significant devolved powers to address Scottish issues.

The only inequality is that more money is spent on public services in Scotland then in England, courtesy of the out-dated Barnet formula, but that's just a detail.

The inequality of representation is where the EU has tripped up, but that’s another story. Or, perhaps not, eh?



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Got to say mate, I've never thought it was a Union of equals.....I don't feel as if we in the North East get treat anywhere near as equal as those from The Home Counties etc.....or Scotland for that matter.

But I think there is far more that unites us than divides us and with that in mind I think we are far better together and that unity is our best hope of effecting real and positive change.

a reply to: sapien82


but what I am saying is , that the highest orders of our united kingdom , the royals
and our government in westminster have been doing plenty in that field for decades without getting rumbled


But why do you think it will be any different in an independent Scotland?

I know there are long standing rumours of an active paedophile ring involving Edinburgh elite.
They have operated with just as much impunity as those in Westminster etc.
Why do you think it will be any different?
Those Edinburgh elite will still be the real power behind the throne.

You know my feelings on the Union.
Independence weakens us all and only dilutes what power we have to bring about real change we can all be proud of.

But Scotland will do as Scotland see's fit.....



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Wrong

England has a higher representation of voters than Scotland

we dont have equal representation



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Mate its not about if we will be any different , its about ending this # show of a government


we break the union because its #ed it only serves one group of people in our society

lets end it , make a new system that doesn't benefit only the top 5% of people in the UK

there is no reason why Scotland once gaining its independence can form a new union , once we have , to borrow a phrase

"Drained the loch " we set up a new union based on a new system of governnance.

England can sort its mess out with the house of lords and house of commons
get rid of all the inequality and make the 4 nations actually United

but supporting this # , is just insanity , we are expecting different results , from the same experiment



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: oldcarpy

Our fault poor Cornish got dusted???

The guy was not just your mate.

Unfortunately, he crossed the line once to many times.

Not that many Scottish Mods around these here parts.

So go lay the blame at some other nationality's doorstep. LoL

We hint the site is American owned, as are most Mods, might want to start there. x


You have the wrong end of the stick there.

I dont really know exactly what his transgression was but not blaming you guys.
his transgression

was simple , he was a bigot # , who doesnt like Scots

better off without him to be honest , even #s can have banter , doesnt make them a sound #
just makes them a worst #



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
Wrong
England has a higher representation of voters than Scotland
we dont have equal representation


I really have no idea where you get your information from, but let's give this a go shall we?

Parliamentary consitituencies


Size of constituencies by electorate
The number of people able to vote (the electorate) differs by constituency. The Office for National Statistics gives the average electorate across constituencies of about:
72,200 in England
67,200 in Scotland
68,300 in Northern Ireland
56,000 in Wales


Actually therefore, you are wrong. Scots not only get more cash per head, they also get more MPs than the English. More money and better representation. The Scots are not the victim. Is that what you are being told?



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

its not representational based on our population though is it ?

that's based on size of the electorate not on the number of constituencies
which you clearly didnt include


533 constituencies in England 59 in Scotland 40 in Wales 18 in Northern Ireland.


Is that Equal ?
No , its not representational of the population

England can easily out vote the entire Countries of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:08 AM
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so remember Boris said here
after Corbynns question
that the NHS is not for sale

at the 12:00 min mark




posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82

533 constituencies in England 59 in Scotland 40 in Wales 18 in Northern Ireland.

Is that Equal ?
No , its not representational of the population


Oh right. Sorry. You thing equality means that Scotland (a tenth of the size of England) should have the same weight? That's not really democracy or equal representation, is it?



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Total number of seats in Westminster = 650.
English constituencies = 82%
Scottish constituencies = 9.1%
Welsh constituencies = 6.2%
Northern Ireland = 2.8%

Percentage of UK population.
England = 84%
Scotland = 8.4%
Wales = 4.8%
Northern Ireland = 2.9%

Westminster and our parliamentary system has many, many faults......representation of the constituent nations doesn't appear to be one of them.


edit on 20/11/19 by Freeborn because: Oops



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

seems to work in australia because they regard their territories as equals regardless of size or population

it will never be equal because no matter what Scotland , Northern Ireland and Wales vote , they will always be outvoted by England because of the population difference



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: paraphi



I mean we should have proportional representation
and not "FIRST PAST THE POST"



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

One thing is certain; the current system certainly is not a true representation of the electorates voting.
We both can and should have a far better system.

Opponents of proportional representation allege that it would result in more hung parliaments.
Even if true would that necessarily be a bad thing?
It would certainly result in a far more consensual approach to government.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I think I was trying to explain that wrong I was thinking of something else but what I was actually meaning was
"proportional representation"

thanks for helping out there !



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

well its not a union of equals if each nation doesnt have an equal say

dont you see what I mean

Like I said , Australia votes like this
and is pretty ok

it seems to work out well for them.


I mean look at the UK , England has a higher number of voters

than anywhere else , so no matter what the political flavor of England , they will always outvote Scotland, N Ireland and Wales

effectively silencing them in the houses of parliament
that doesnt seem very "equal"









edit on 20-11-2019 by sapien82 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

More like Cabbage Patch Kids me thinks.



posted on Nov, 20 2019 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Then again organized religious practices have been getting away with beasting weans since time immemorial.

Its a power thing with those types sexual appetite for what they simply cannot possess.

And the fact of the matter is that their underlings will always protect them and/or be there to lose the evidence or cover up their atrocities.



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