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originally posted by: sapien82
hahaha funny#
anyway more importantly when did turbo make an appearance ? next he will be telling us that BREXIT isn't real
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: sapien82
hahaha funny#
anyway more importantly when did turbo make an appearance ? next he will be telling us that BREXIT isn't real
Your internal conflict continues as usual, sadly.
This issue, or any issue, has many different opinions, viewpoints, which are debated, discussed, argued for, argued against.
Personal attacks are used by insecure people, lashing out insults at those who caused internal conflict, which cannot be resolved within.
I'm saying income taxes are pure theft, a worldwide criminal act, which is to steal our wages, nobody else worked for, nobody has a right to take away...
Do you really believe you benefit from the government taking money from you, all the time, which you earned, which could be used to buy food, help you get a decent place to live, for you, and your family, or help to raise children, etc?
Nobody benefits from income tax, except you believe income tax builds roads, allows health care, and so on...
Nonsense.
Do they show us where the money goes, after taking it from us in taxes? As if.
Who paid the taxes, doesn't see where it goes, they say where it goes, and if you wish to believe this fantasy tale, go ahead. I think it's a massive crime, and all the evidence proves it is.
originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm saying income taxes are pure theft, a worldwide criminal act, which is to steal our wages, nobody else worked for, nobody has a right to take away...
Do you really believe you benefit from the government taking money from you, all the time, which you earned, which could be used to buy food, help you get a decent place to live, for you, and your family, or help to raise children, etc?
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
originally posted by: turbonium1
originally posted by: sapien82
hahaha funny#
anyway more importantly when did turbo make an appearance ? next he will be telling us that BREXIT isn't real
Your internal conflict continues as usual, sadly.
This issue, or any issue, has many different opinions, viewpoints, which are debated, discussed, argued for, argued against.
Personal attacks are used by insecure people, lashing out insults at those who caused internal conflict, which cannot be resolved within.
I'm saying income taxes are pure theft, a worldwide criminal act, which is to steal our wages, nobody else worked for, nobody has a right to take away...
Do you really believe you benefit from the government taking money from you, all the time, which you earned, which could be used to buy food, help you get a decent place to live, for you, and your family, or help to raise children, etc?
Nobody benefits from income tax, except you believe income tax builds roads, allows health care, and so on...
Nonsense.
Do they show us where the money goes, after taking it from us in taxes? As if.
Who paid the taxes, doesn't see where it goes, they say where it goes, and if you wish to believe this fantasy tale, go ahead. I think it's a massive crime, and all the evidence proves it is.
Posted the above in full to prove that Turbo does not understand one damn thing about local government.
Pathetic.
And brutally funny.
Keep at it Turbo! Public entertainment at its finest!
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm saying income taxes are pure theft, a worldwide criminal act, which is to steal our wages, nobody else worked for, nobody has a right to take away...
Do you really believe you benefit from the government taking money from you, all the time, which you earned, which could be used to buy food, help you get a decent place to live, for you, and your family, or help to raise children, etc?
I and many, many others have made decent homes brought up children, with little
more than an average wage/salary and paid the required taxes.
Who pays the council/community workers within communities librarians, road
sweepers, grafitti cleaners, grass cutters, social housing and the up keep of,
policing etc.
TAX.!!??
*No man is an island* you live in a community...... you need to pay your way.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: turbonium1
I'm saying income taxes are pure theft, a worldwide criminal act, which is to steal our wages, nobody else worked for, nobody has a right to take away...
Do you really believe you benefit from the government taking money from you, all the time, which you earned, which could be used to buy food, help you get a decent place to live, for you, and your family, or help to raise children, etc?
I and many, many others have made decent homes brought up children, with little
more than an average wage/salary and paid the required taxes.
Who pays the council/community workers within communities librarians, road
sweepers, grafitti cleaners, grass cutters, social housing and the up keep of,
policing etc.
TAX.!!??
*No man is an island* you live in a community...... you need to pay your way.
originally posted by: turbonium1
Sorry, but they all pay income tax, too. If income tax was for them, why would need to pay it? They wouldn't. So there's your proof income tax isn't needed for services. Otherwise, service workers would not pay income tax. Since the tax would be going to them, in the first place! Get it?
Having a tax for necessary services is obviously fair, but income tax is pure theft, a crime, and we are all the victims of this crime, in every possible way.
It may not seem to hurt you, but it hurts everyone, including you. Some people like you, and others, may be fine and dandy when they steal some of your money, but I think it's pure piracy. A pirate takes one pot of your money, but you still have three pots, so you don't care about it.
I have a home, worth a lot, but taxing my home's current market value, is utterly ridiculous. My home is not being sold, which has taxes on it, so why should I pay tax on it's current value? It's like taxing your car every year, by current value of the vehicle if it WAS sold. But they tax my home's current value, as if I had sold it. At that price, too. Not the actual price, or anything! If sold for less, you don't get tax refunded for the difference. If sold for MORE, you pay another tax, which is capital gain tax. The value is more than they thought, and you must pay for the difference, in this case!
Everyone works in exchange for money, their EARNINGS. Nobody else worked for it, only they did. It is rightfully their money, nobody has a right to steal it from them. If a thief takes your money, from a home safe, would you say it's good? No, you'd feel terrible. What's different to you is that you think 'legal' theft pays for needed services, so you think it's a 'greater good' theft.
originally posted by: DougHole64
Couldn't agree more Elethia - a very smart woman!
Taxes are the life blood of this fine country.
I worked in the Parking Enforcement department at Nottingham City Council for thirty years until I took early retirement at fifty on a very generous pension. Were there difficult days? Too bloody right there were! But I kept my head down, kept my feet walking that beat and my arms reaching out to as many illegally parked vehicles in a ten mile radius as possible. I think you'll agree that there really is no greater civic duty than serving our local communitys. And we selfless few deserve to be celebrated and rewarded.
It's like I keep saying to my Barry, forget about looking after those sickly folk at the QMC for pittance an hour! Get yourself a proper job for the Local Council and your set up for life!
Hope you'll be joining us on the 11th, Elethia! You'll be more than welcome, love -
providing you don't bring that ridiculous looking cat with you, of course! Haha - Proper dogs only I'm afraid!
originally posted by: eletheia
Because whatever one particular service they work for there are other services
they take advantage of who will also need paying... police, fire fighters, parks,
prisons, all need money to survive.Tax money in the pot to pay out for all social
services.
originally posted by: eletheia
Income tax is taken at source and paid on what is earned, and fair as more is paid
by the higher earners.Do you never give to charity or help someone who has fallen
on hard times? I dont think you would be happy if your boss only paid the same
amount of tax as you?
originally posted by: eletheia
Its the same for everyone........ depending on the size of their pots?
I pay the same in as others to our health service and am quite happy
to do so, even though I dont get out of it as much as many others at
present but I know its there for me should I need it. I may never need
it .......and I'll have paid a fair wack into it.
originally posted by: eletheia
If your house tax is due to your expensive house it surely is fairer to be
paying more than someone in a much smaller home? After all you could
pay less if you down graded?
originally posted by: eletheia
Most of us live in a community and like everything it comes at a price. You
could go away and live off grid.