Traitors will attempt to bring down UK government next week

originally posted by: Freeborn

The SNP can, and do, get every opportunity to voice their proposals and manifesto.....particularly in Scotland which is really the only place they have any relevance.

Scotland will do as Scotland see's fit, and that's how it should be....but with the SNP you are in just as crap a situation as the rest of the UK and I, like the vast majority of people from the rest of the UK, are sick to #ing death of the SNP's constant whining whilst proving to be at least as equally incompetent at governing as the other major political parties in the UK.

Lol!! Have to laugh at her inconsistencey ....... Cant wait for independency for

Scotland, only to attach Scotland to the EU and the euro.

Should it happen ......will the EU demand a border?

a reply to: sapien82

Funny you mention this
I just watched a video of Boris being interviewed at a distillery in Scotland
and he said "the Scottish Nationalist Party"

clown

BNP = British National Party.
en.wikipedia.org...

The point?

a reply to: Freeborn

I see that the roots of division were sown long ago mate
and we all know it

SNP have done nothing but try to get more power for Scottish people
as would any political party do for their electorate
better representation
and the only way to achieve that level of governance and democracy is via independence


Yes I look forward to that day mate honestly I do
and when it comes we wont speak a single word of this #e !

a reply to: eletheia

I dread to think what effect a hard border will have on the Scottish economy.

I watched last night's Question Time on iPlayer and one of the panellists mentioned how two days/weeks after independence would have taken effect if voted for the arse fell out of oil prices and how that in itself would have bankrupted an independent Scotland.
Obviously it didn't for the fact it is part of the UK.

The SNP representative was unable to come up with any reply at all.

Exactly the same as when it was pointed out that the SNP had absolutely no plan over what currency would be used in an independent Scotland or couldn't even give ball park figures on the knock on effect to the Scottish economy and employment figures.

I wonder if they will deny Scottish people living in rUK the vote again in any IndyRef2?

But I guess these are questions the Scots need to be asking each other if there is an IndyRef2.
For all we may have opinions on these things ultimately they are irrelevant and its Scottish opinions on these matters that really count.

a reply to: Freeborn

they aren't a nationalist party in the sense of the national socialist German workers party

it guess its in the sense of the word national

just because we have a really bad example of a party that calls itself national and socialist that caused a world war and mass genocide , means the SNP are as bad as the nazis

the SNP are likely portrayed this way , I've seen many memes relating Nicola to Hitler when giving a speech in public.
But its completely far from the case the SNP have shown themselves to be an inclusive party who want progressive movements across the country of Scotland.
The nationalism we are branded with is about destruction
and not creation of a better more equal society one that isnt based on class
as we were told the class war was over by John Major , yet its very much alive.

a reply to: Freeborn

Denmark dont use the Euro , why should we have to ?

Faroe Islands sell their fish to the EU and arent in the EU
yet may end up using the Euro

lots of special rules for everyone

why not Scotland

What will happen to the Pound sterling if the Union is broken up , because the pound was the result of the Union
if the Union is losing one of its members do they still use the pound

Also will the Pound strength drop completely if Scotland leaves the union ?

I dont have much in terms of financial assets , so its never been a really big problem for me to worry about money
so I really dont have an opinion on the currency issue .

The banks stole all of our money , and austerity is meant to be over , so where did all that cash go, we apparently own shares of about 60% when we bailed them out , probably a lot less now .

So the government can bail out banks but cant fix the NHS , or anything else like government workers salaries

or putting the correct insulation on buildings etc.

Are they just saving those shares in the banks for a rainy day like post brexit when the economy crashes because the pound strength drops because they lose Scotland ?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia

sure it was the people who drew up the plans to leave the EU
dont talk rubbish , the people never decided , hey lets all leave the EU right now

They were given the choice of stay or leave..... were they not

In my book that makes them (the people) the deciders.

it was according to the media 12 people who created Brexit
and many of them are tories #
George Osborn, Matthew Elliot , David Cameron, Boris Johnson,
and of course that prick Nigel Farage to name a few of the 12

Spin.... Osborne and Cameron were deluded remainers who never

believed the people would vote to leave and IMO Boris was too, but

he saw his chance to fulfill his ambition of being PM so became a

reluctant leaver like his predessor Theresa May.


EU. Refendum votes

By constituency ......... 406 LEAVE ......................242 REMAIN

By voting area ......... 263 LEAVE ......................119 REMAIN

By party Labour ......... 148 LEAVE .......................84 REMAIN

By party Cons.......... 247 LEAVE ......................80 REMAIN

By MP's ......... 248 LEAVE ......................400 REMAIN


MP's are the problem elected to serve but only serving themselves

and the rancid EU.

a reply to: eletheia

they may have decided but it wasn't orchestrated by the UK population

Brexit was never our idea, it was an idea sold to us under the pretense of taking back control

but its about government taking control of their own wealth
at our expense

anyway its Friday and a girl is leaving here today so we are going to party !

, I think I'll leave at 3pm for the pub

Have a nice weekend all !

originally posted by: sapien82
What will happen to the Pound sterling if the Union is broken up , because the pound was the result of the Union
if the Union is losing one of its members do they still use the pound

If Scotland leave the Union the Pound Sterling will persist. After all, Sterling goes back 1,300 years and predates the Union. Scotland can pick and choose what currency it uses, but with the SNP so slavishly chasing their EU masters they'll probably engineer themselves into the Euro.

Regardless, they can use Sterling if they want, but won't have any control over it - which is what they have curremtly. They could use the Zimbabwean dollar for all the good it will do them. They could even create their own currency, or resurrect the pre-Union currency, which I think was called the Pund.

a reply to: paraphi

Cool thanks mate

I'm not clued up on the financial side of things , as its never really concerned me that greatly!
I mean I always though that the pound sterling was a Union currency , thanks for the wee pub quiz trivia there

I wonder what currency would be called if we did create one , if its something that sounds daft then naw im no intae it

but if its got a catchy name then it will be ok.

originally posted by: sapien82
I wonder what currency would be called if we did create one ,

Insolvency.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: paraphi

Cool thanks mate

I'm not clued up on the financial side of things , as its never really concerned me that greatly!
I mean I always though that the pound sterling was a Union currency , thanks for the wee pub quiz trivia there

I wonder what currency would be called if we did create one , if its something that sounds daft then naw im no intae it

but if its got a catchy name then it will be ok.

Zimbabwean Dollar?
Reichsmark?
Worthless Piece Of Paper?

Hope this helps.

a reply to: paraphi

what happens to England and the rest of the UK when we leave ?

Has there been any analysis done on this ,because I can only see potential outcomes for what happens to Scotland.

Yet nothing appears to mention the landscape of the rest of the UK post independence.

Hey we may all end up paying 6000 marks for a loaf of bread

a reply to: sapien82

I'm not equating the SNP with the Nazi's, no comparison at all.

You said that they weren't Nationalists and that the clue was in the party name yet the BNP use National as well and they are far right wing.

I don't really care what currency an independent Scotland would have, the point was that the SNP didn't have any suggestions other than if, but's and maybe's....they raise many points yet offer very few solutions other than empty political rhetoric.....exactly the same as the other major political party's.

Yet why would an 'independent' Scotland want to retain a currency they had absolutely no influence or control over?
That wouldn't be independence in my book.

And do you honestly think that an independent Scotland would be allowed to remain in the EU without being shackled to the Euro?
Bear in mind the last thing most of the constituent nations in the EU want is increased regional independence.....the aim of the EU is the abolition of elected national assemblies etc.
And the likes of Spain are passionately opposed to regional independence, just look at the shocking imprisonment of Catalan independence protesters and the EU's deafening silence on it.

Pound sterling will survive.....it's importance to the world economy is too great.

You know my feelings on things like the NHS and other social issues but I've seen nothing that would suggest that the SNP are any less trustworthy than the other political party's.....and their leader is equally unsuitable for high office.

Yes, the class divide is still there.
The glass ceiling is still in place and the gap between the wealthy and the not wealthy grows greater by the day.
Yes, we need a certain amount of wealth redistribution and levelling of the land......but not at the expense of hard work, endeavour and enterprise.

All this has happened whilst we have been part of the EU as has the infringements on workers rights etc and the reduction in the average persons standard of living.
Why would continued membership of the EU mean anything other the continuance of this trend?

a reply to: sapien82

Did you know that wire was invented by 2 scots arguing over a sixpence coin?
Apparently.

😀

originally posted by: sapien82

I wonder what currency would be called if we did create one , if its something that sounds daft then naw im no intae it

but if its got a catchy name then it will be ok.

Is Euro catchy enough for you?

After 2020, ALL EU members will have to adopt the euro
Political union in the eurozone is an economic existential necessity,
not a re-negotiable ambition

www.telegraph.co.uk...



And are you happy with this?

So in the Eurozone, the answer to increased Euroscepticism is not seen as any form of rowing back on integration. Quite the opposite — Euroscepticism has arisen because political integration had not proceeded rapidly enough.

For the Eurozone and EU to survive at all, deeper political integration, including Eurozone-level tax and spending decisions and democratic mechanisms to oversee them plus reduced control over tax and spending decisions for Member State, are an existential necessity.

edit on 8-11-2019 by eletheia because: (no reason given)

a reply to: eletheia

How about "The Sturgeon"?
"Wee Krankie"?
"Buckfast"?
"Wrap of Crack"?

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: eletheia

How about "The Sturgeon"?
"Wee Krankie"?
"Buckfast"?
"Wrap of Crack"?

Lol!! IF/when they leave the easy going UK for the EU they will have to do as

the're told!! and The EU says euro.


I came across this Its new to me so I thought I'd share in case others haven't.

Secret document FCO 30/1048

EU's long term plans for power and soverignity.

Examine the legacy of one of the most important documents in history.
Almost all the shocking predictions from the loss of British soverignity
to monetry union and the over arching powers of the ECJ have come
true.

The document known as FCO 30/1048 was locked away under official
secrets act rule for almost five decades.

The classified paper dated April 1971 suggested the government
should keep the public in the dark about what the EEC membership
meant.

The unknown author -a senior civil servant correctly predicted the then
EEC effectively became the EU in 1993 and was headed for economic,
monetry and fiscal union - with a common foreign and defense policy.

This was to last to 1999 at least, by which time Britain would be so
completely entrenched to Brussels It would be impossible to leave.

And isnt that where we are now?

Annabel Sanderson a Brexit expert and former adviser to
Nigel Farrage said despite all the claims from politcians that the EU was
not about becoming a central state this 1971 document shows exactly
what the plan was.

MORE..www.express.co.uk...