Traitors will attempt to bring down UK government next week

a reply to: paraphi

well I guess time will tell .

why is it a price that the Union pays , if England would be better off financially being out of the Union
then why are we even still in a union ?

Why are the tories not just kicking us out or even advocating their own Union if Scotland are a burden on the books?

What is the reason we havent been cut off or cast aside or sorry allowed to leave the union ?

there must be a reason why ?


and its not because we are better together

a reply to: UKTruth

Easiest thing to do with Scotland is just divide it up like Ireland. One part that wants Union can stay with the UK, areas that want to go independent can be handed over to the EU. Job done and pretty much all Scots happy

a reply to: paraphi

Northern Ireland only gets a complicated half-way house until a perm deal is resolved with the EU. Plus, with more money being spent in Scotland et al than England, one could argue that the Union is weighted against the English. The Scots get free prescriptions and tuition fees because more money is given to Scotland. It's a price to pay for the Union, and a price an independent Scotland will need to pay outside of the Union.

All nonsense regurgitated by Unionist politicians, the media and lackey's like yourself forever and a day.

Scotland gets more per head because it pays more per head, It's a simple fact regardless of what GERS tells you. Gers was created by the tories for one reason, To cook the books in London favour.

Taking into account Gas, Oil, Food and Drink and everyday taxes we pay way more than our share, He'll , we even had to give England 6,000 square miles of our seas in 1999 in order to have its GDP look better than it actually is.

They couldn't even give us our own parliament without squeezing us for more of our wealth.

We should be getting a lot more per head than what we get today. Once Independent the truth about how much London has syphoned off from Scotland will come out. ( Aye, we'll finally get a look at the books)... People will be shocked at how much has been stolen from us and squandered elsewhere.

The real subsidy junky in the UK is Northern Ireland, An uncivilised #hole who for years bombed and shot each other for fun, costing the UK, Scotland, Wales and England billions per year to try and keep a lid on it.

And look how that turned out.

Scumbag mass murderers released from prison early to mingle freely back in society with Ayrshire a top destination for top loyalist murder squad members from the UFF, UVF and others.

Now look at where we are, England and Wales voted out of the EU, looks like they will be getting their wish. Scotland voted to stay as did NI. Guess which one of the latter 2 countries is allowed to sit back and enjoy the benefits of being both in and out of the EU?... Looks to me like AK47 politics has some leverage within UK plc. Maybe we should all give it a go and enjoy the kickback.

Any self-respecting Scot on here who still believes we should remain part of this corrupt "union of equals" take a long hard look in the mirror and hang your head in shame.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

So you mean Ibrox and Parkhead then

we already have that , doesnt work

Sorry to reduce it down to black and white with rangers celtic
but that is the mentality of a sectarian nation well for the most of people
who fall down that dividing line.

Apart from that , it's a bad idea , because if people want to remain in a union then they should move to where that union is geographically held , I wouldnt be surprised at how many "unionists" would leave Scotland to move to England
if we split.


Aye but anyway , someone answer my question ( a unionist preferably)

If Scotland is such a burden on the Uk

Why havent we been kicked out long ago by the tories?

a reply to: sapien82

Maybe build a wall through Parkhead and Ibroz then to divide up the peoples of Scotland. Seems the way to go these days.

London does want the Scots for many reasons true, there much to be gained from having them in yoiur country. Can't remember where read it / might be a dream but tink it was a real one................. Of all the hundreds of nationalities in the United States the most economically wealthy and successful topping all others is Scots. There must be something about having them in your state if it to be a success London knows it

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Aye , is it cus we are tight wae money hahahahah

a reply to: sapien82

If Scotland is such a burden on the Uk Why havent we been kicked out long ago by the tories?

Maybe I can answer that. It's because it's not been plastered on the side of a big red bus.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Aye , is it cus we are tight wae money hahahahah

and thats genetic mate there's nothing you can do about it as you are in many cases decended from the thrifty.................... When much of Europe expelled its Jewish population (including England) independent Scotland took them in like a thousand odd years ago, so today all them tight as heck Scots who carry a purse for their coppers have a genuine reason for being that way

As the House of Commons has given its support to the new Brexit deal, why is this not enough to allow Britain to leave on October 31? What does it matter if some of the details of the bill need to be examined and perhaps amended? The principle to leave was approved and that surely should be enough to allow us to leave on October 31. The fact that MPs have not had enough time to study the complete bill in detail is beside the point - they have ALREADY voted their support for leaving the EU on the general terms agreed by the European Commission and the British government. An extension should be needed only if parliament has not agreed by October 31 to the deal made between the government and the EU. But it HAS. Therefore, no extension is needed because the PM has complied with the Benn Act in procuring a deal by October 19. It is not necessary for the proposed bill to be completely passed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords before October 31 if a hard Brexit is to be avoided.

President Macron is threatening to veto an extension because he thinks the passing of the agreed deal by parliament was sufficient, and he does not want any more delay. This means, if he vetos an extension, then Britain will leave the EU in a NORMAL way, not as a hard Brexit - at least as far as HE is concerned. Other member countries will likely disagree, and some court may be needed to adjudicate quickly on whether GB is leaving normally or not on October 31. It may take into account that the British government never asked for an extension and told the EU that it did not want one. This should have been enough for the EU to refuse an extension - it surely SHOULD make a difference, legally speaking, whether a government or its largely rogue parliament requests an extension to Article 50? The EU may have accepted the request as legal (but then it WOULD because it wants to give more time for Remainers to engineer another referendum). But was it really legal, when the request was neither signed nor sought? For documents to be legal, there must either be a signature on them of the person agreeing to the terms of the contract, etc or the person must appoint someone to sign it on his or her behalf. Boris Johnson did neither. You may say that all these considerations are now academic and irrelevant. Perhaps so. But let us NEVER assume that every action by powerful, political organisations is perfectly legal and proper. They clearly are not. Just because events occurred in a certain way does not mean that this way was right or even necessary.

Does anyone agree with me?

G

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: UKTruth

Would also be better without the midges.
And for once i don't mean Sturgeon.

It turns out midgies are actually native to England so when we become independent we are shipping 300 trillion midgies down across the border to London , direct from the highlands because thats what you get in the settlement.

MIDGIES

muuhauhauhauahuahauhaua

May I, for one, be the 1st to welcome our new insect overlords....

a reply to: oldcarpy
at least they have honest intentions to suck your blood and wont lie to your face whilst they do it !

a reply to: sapien82

You speak the truth!

as before but more serious this time

why if there are 233 conservative MP's in parliament if Scotland is such a burden on the UK why have they never campaigned to have Scotland removed from the Union ?

why in the numerous tory lead governments have they never campaigned to remove us if we are a burden on paper and in reality according to them .

originally posted by: sapien82
why if there are 233 conservative MP's in parliament if Scotland is such a burden on the UK why have they never campaigned to have Scotland removed from the Union ?

Because some people believe in the value of the Union. Even some Scots do. There are even Scottish Conservatives - in fact a quarter of Scots voted Conservative at the last General Election. The populist nationalists do not serve the majority in Scotland. The only people campaigning to break up the Union are nationalists.

a reply to: paraphi


I am not asking about those that believe in the Union, I'm asking why if Scotland is such a burden as we hear time and time again from the Tories
why have not one single one of them ever campaigned to have us removed ?

The Scottish government had to pass the legislation through holyrood first before it was even agreed with westminster
so the majority of MSP's are in favour of independence

a reply to: sapien82

I was not aware that Tories have been complaining that Scotland is a burden. No, just did a quick search and zilch. There's plenty of material about Tories banging on about the value of the Union. Are you in an echo chamber?

a reply to: paraphi

right so the government havent drafted research into spending in Scotland to show we are a financial burden ?

GERS !


ALso the barnett forumla drafted during the first devolution shows that we spend more in Scotland , again , this was created by conservatives in the run up to devolution 1979



its often repeated in the houses of parliament , when the # gets going , Scotland are told they are a burden and that we cant handle our own affairs

if you watch parliament.tv live then you will see it !


Anyway a quick look and I found this

england would be better off without scotland


then you have the bastards saying in the media how they want scotland to remain a part of the UK
but on paper we are a burden and in the houses we are derided by the same members of who want us to stay.

With the amount of pointless, redundant votes of their parliament, it's absolutely amazing that anything ever gets done.

Seriously, hold a vote to decide if the prior vote was good enough, then hold 3 more votes to verify the first and second votes, so they can have a final vote on whether or not to continue voting.

at 1min 20

highlights exactly what happens when the SNP speak in the house

not anything like a union

Conservative MP Stephen Kerr
stating that the SNP doesnt speak for scotland in westminster

when in actual fact they do , because they are the elected representatives of the people of Scotland

Brexit negotiations - Tory MP Stephen Kerr Slams Ian Blackford


Once again being told we dont speak for Scotland.

and here Boris telling us we cant govern ourselves , if we are a union then why are they talking about us in that fashion , being told we cant govern ourselves , and we are just better to allow westminster to do it for us

boris slaps down ian blackford


We arent unified in any sense , the only way we are united is because the people share common things, but the leaders are never more divided.