Traitors will attempt to bring down UK government next week

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: oldcarpy

Then Scotland needs to be independent before it dictates to the UK.

And how's that supposed to work?.

Not sure actually.
May have just had a brain fart.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the Eu, Our politicians are doing what's best for Scotland and it's people and that means staying in the EU.

Neither Scotland, Wales, England or N.Ireland voted as seperate countries

to remain or leave the EU......They were not in the EU as countries per se

but they were in the EU collectively as the U.K.



So we ALL leave together? as one united happy family!!

Lol!! had to strike that out it might be a step too far?

a reply to: eletheia

Not if Bercow and his fellow conspiritors can get away with their scheming.
Unfortunately.
The bastards.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Soloprotocol


Then Scotland needs to be independent before it dictates to the UK.
Last time I looked, you lost that vote.
So, you lost.
You get over it.

Yep - Scottish people want to be part of the UK.
It's only those sour Scots who have a massive inferiority complex that seem to think they are important, when really they are just a colony.

OH UK truth , you are on the list now mate

just like whits his face that used to talk that elitist anti scots #e

You are saying we are nothing more than a colony ?

Any more reasons to add to the ever growing list of why we should leave the Union

this is it , ideas like this , the British empire is dead , there are no longer any colonies
this isn't 1745

although maybe it would be good for a rebellion since we keep getting landed with a shower of arseholes down south who think Scotland
is their personal cash cow .

Seriously though mate, do you honestly think Scotland is a colony and we should do as we are told ?

a reply to: eletheia

Actually we did vote as separate countries within a united kingdom , since we are all apparently sovereign nations within a union within the EU .

Our politicians should be doing what is best for Scotland , not for the Union because the Union never does what is best for anyone

isnt that #ing obvious to everyone ?

it was a union sold to Scotland over 300 years ago , the people of today no longer wish to be in this Union
well there is growing sentiment now more than ever due to Brexit

So it is only right that our politicians push for Scotlands independence.

If they didnt , then we wouldnt be following the mandate of the people.

As the mandate for independence was voted on by our MSP's and it was a majority vote, so they are only carrying out their objectives.

a reply to: UKTruth

It's only those sour Scots who have a massive inferiority complex that seem to think they are important, when really they are just a colony.

1.6 million of us have had the sense to realise that for decades. The rest will one day wake up to the realisation that we really are just an "occupied colony" in a so-called partnership of equals.

But, Lead us Scotland, Don't leave us...aye, Pish.

a reply to: sapien82

it was a union sold to Scotland over 300 years ago , the people of today no longer wish to be in this Union

Only the Union was never sold to anyone, in fact, the people rejected it overwhelmingly with mass protests leading to the cold-blooded murder of many protesters by redcoats. The Union came about through blackmail, Land grabs and threats of starvation to the people of Scotland through sanctions.

A handful of Lords who had lost most of their money in the failed Darian project was given an ultimatum. Sign or die.
The Alien act 1705

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Aye , I think it was the Duke or Argyle who said "the peoples petitions are like kites in the wind"

I think things will change now , only for the good of all 4 nations by ending the Union

England voted for the conservatives by majority

and so this article is only further proof we should be independent

Brexit worth letting Scots go, say %75 of Tory Leave voters in England

"worth letting go"

Letting , implies that we need permission , load of #in #e
but hey , its what the majority of tory voters want , so cant be a bad thing.

its about time , we went our separate ways , and if its what the majority of the tory voters want , then so be it .

“Just over half of English voters think that England subsidises Scotland financially and are divided as to whether or not they are happy with this arrangement. Conservative voters are by far the most likely to think that England provides financial support to Scotland — three quarters believe this to be the case and most of them are unhappy about it.”

if we are a subsidy then let us go

originally posted by: sapien82
England voted for the conservatives by majority

and so this article is only further proof we should be independent

Brexit worth letting Scots go, say %75 of Tory Leave voters in England

"worth letting go"

Letting , implies that we need permission , load of #in #e
but hey , its what the majority of tory voters want , so cant be a bad thing.

its about time , we went our separate ways , and if its what the majority of the tory voters want , then so be it .

“Just over half of English voters think that England subsidises Scotland financially and are divided as to whether or not they are happy with this arrangement. Conservative voters are by far the most likely to think that England provides financial support to Scotland — three quarters believe this to be the case and most of them are unhappy about it.”

if we are a subsidy then let us go

Remind me of the result of the referendum when the Scottish people were asked whether they wanted independence...

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Soloprotocol


Then Scotland needs to be independent before it dictates to the UK.
Last time I looked, you lost that vote.
So, you lost.
You get over it.

Yep - Scottish people want to be part of the UK.
It's only those sour Scots who have a massive inferiority complex that seem to think they are important, when really they are just a colony.

Seriously though mate, do you honestly think Scotland is a colony and we should do as we are told ?

Not really, no. Scotland is a wonderful place, but would be much better minus the whiny element of it's populous that don't like it that the majority of their countrymen and women WANT to be part of the UK.

a reply to: UKTruth

Would also be better without the midges.
And for once i don't mean Sturgeon.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
The Union came about through blackmail, Land grabs and threats of starvation to the people of Scotland through sanctions.

Is that the narrative from the popularist nationalists nowadays? Trying to make the Scots look like they have been wronghanded from the beginnings by those dastardly English. Ever the victim.

In fact, the Union has been beneficial to the Scots and the rest of the Great Britain and the world. Very good for the Scots in fact, which is why Scotland is able to live beyond its means at the expense of the rest of the Union.

After reading parts of this thread, I'm left wondering why people question the concept of the "electoral college" in the USA. Scotland is a bit like some of our fly-over states that just wouldn't have a voice without the electoral college. The US is built upon a concept that one or two states in the union should not be able to impose their will on the nation. California and New York are the equivalent of England (London) where the densest populations are.

Scotland, Whales and Northern Ireland deserve an equal voice to England's.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
Scotland, Whales and Northern Ireland deserve an equal voice to England's.

Democratically: Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland get a proportionately equal representation in a UK-wide referendum. The size of constituencies is broadly similar, but with English MPs generally supporting more people on average, so a slight democratic discrepancy against the English.

Financially: Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland get a disproportionate share of the UKs wealth spent on then compared to England.

a reply to: UKTruth

How is wanting to determine our own future "whining "

seriously if it was the other way around , we would gladly help you get independence

it is our right to want to determine our own future , and not have some politicians 300 miles away determine it for us

whats wrong with that ?

Hey man would you rather we whine about it or get violent about it , I mean 300 years ago we were shooting each other over it , and 100 years before that chopping each others heads off, whining , sorry , asking to determine our own future politely , or protesting in the streets is a far cry from that bloodbath

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: UKTruth

Would also be better without the midges.
And for once i don't mean Sturgeon.

It turns out midgies are actually native to England so when we become independent we are shipping 300 trillion midgies down across the border to London , direct from the highlands because thats what you get in the settlement.

MIDGIES

muuhauhauhauahuahauhaua

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
Scotland, Whales and Northern Ireland deserve an equal voice to England's.

Democratically: Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland get a proportionately equal representation in a UK-wide referendum. The size of constituencies is broadly similar, but with English MPs generally supporting more people on average, so a slight democratic discrepancy against the English.

Financially: Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland get a disproportionate share of the UKs wealth spent on then compared to England.

and in the new deal , N Ireland gets preferential treatment making a mockery of the union of equals

so its not exactly a union if one nations gets better treatment just to carry out brexit

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
After reading parts of this thread, I'm left wondering why people question the concept of the "electoral college" in the USA. Scotland is a bit like some of our fly-over states that just wouldn't have a voice without the electoral college. The US is built upon a concept that one or two states in the union should not be able to impose their will on the nation. California and New York are the equivalent of England (London) where the densest populations are.

Scotland, Whales and Northern Ireland deserve an equal voice to England's.

Many Scots agree with your opinion , we dont have equal representation
we are effectively held hostage by voting electorate

No matter what scotland votes for you just need an equal number in England to vote opposite and we lose out every time.

our whole nation effectively silenced.

originally posted by: sapien82
and in the new deal , N Ireland gets preferential treatment making a mockery of the union of equals

Northern Ireland only gets a complicated half-way house until a perm deal is resolved with the EU. Plus, with more money being spent in Scotland et al than England, one could argue that the Union is weighted against the English. The Scots get free prescriptions and tuition fees because more money is given to Scotland.

It's a price to pay for the Union, and a price an independent Scotland will need to pay outside of the Union.