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originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UKTruth
we cannae phone a friend or some pish like that ?
Not at this stage.
Maybe we could have Noel Edmunds run a deal/no deal referendum.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Freeborn
I think that the fact that they're now supporting a deal they initially trashed shows their true colours, they know its a bad deal but they also know that no-deal is bad, its a little dishonest I think to the public to pretend that this is anything other than a crap deal to avoid a even worse no-deal.
I know that there are rumours of what the EU will or won't do but I think they want a good deal just as much as we do and I wouldn't bet on them not coming through with an extension. I think if they do however it will be a longer extension with a bit of a warning that it will be the last chance we get to sort this out. That way it might give us time for a general Election that has the potential to completely change the negotiating position of the UK.
Honestly though who knows, this is just too unpredictable now.
I don't think anything will pass through parliament tomorrow unless the opposition have got something up their sleeves that will force through a second referendum (I doubt it though)
originally posted by: Freeborn
Rumours have it that the EU will not accept another extension.....so it could be this crap deal or no deal.
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: oldcarpy
Not sure how to label Farage to be honest? ....
Wanker sort of springs to mind.
Just put aside your tedious shin kicking knee jerk politics corbyn and for once in your wretched political career put the country's interest 1st.
That's a novel concept mate.
Being a bit Devil's Advocate here but imagine if it was the other way round, would the Tories support any Labour brokered deal?
They are all eating from the same trough.
I struggle to differentiate between them, complete twats every single one of them.
Get the deal done or leave with no deal.
That seems to be the prevalent mood at present.
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: UKTruth
The backstop wasn't the only reason people disliked May's deal.
Sure it was one of the reasons, a major reason for many.....but for lots of other people the 'deal' simply didn't hand enough control back to the UK and allowed the EU to retain certain controls over the UK, for many of us that is completely unacceptable.
You can't polish a turd....this is still a crap deal and doesn't go anywhere near far enough in severing ties with the EU.
Brexit isn't about enhancing Boris Johnson's oversized ego, its about delivering what the people voted for and this 'deal' doesn't do that.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Yeah looking at it, it seems very similar to the old Checkers Deal that May couldn't get through her own party let alone anything else.
I think everyone on both sides needs to be very cautious that we're not going to accept a bad deal just to avoid an extension.
Scotland's highest civil court has dismissed a legal bid to stop the UK government from passing its proposed EU withdrawal agreement. Anti-Brexit campaigners had argued the deal contravened legislation preventing Northern Ireland from forming part of a separate customs territory. However, Lord Pentland ruled the application was "misconceived and unjustified". Campaigner Jo Maugham QC said the case was now unlikely to proceed further. In his written opinion, the judge described the petition "of very doubtful competency" and concluded the petitioner had at best a "weak" case.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I know that there are rumours of what the EU will or won't do but I think they want a good deal just as much as we do and I wouldn't bet on them not coming through with an extension. I think if they do however it will be a longer extension with a bit of a warning that it will be the last chance we get to sort this out. That way it might give us time for a general Election that has the potential to completely change the negotiating position of the UK.
originally posted by: UKTruth
Scotland's highest civil court has dismissed a legal bid to stop the UK government from passing its proposed EU withdrawal agreement. Anti-Brexit campaigners had argued the deal contravened legislation preventing Northern Ireland from forming part of a separate customs territory. However, Lord Pentland ruled the application was "misconceived and unjustified". Campaigner Jo Maugham QC said the case was now unlikely to proceed further. In his written opinion, the judge described the petition "of very doubtful competency" and concluded the petitioner had at best a "weak" case.
Not even the Scottish Kangaroo Court of Sessions could come up with a reason to do anything but treat the traitors who tried to stop the deal through the courts with disdain.
We'll see if the next traitor, Oliver Letwin, manages to get his bill - entirely designed to delay the decision to accept the deal to post 31st October and thus trigger the Benn Act - manages to screw over the country tomorrow.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: eletheia
I don't know how this will play out.
Its not the best deal but my feeling is that there are two camps.
The Breixt supporting MPs are going to be thinking well this could be our last chance of a deal and securing Brexit so we better just accept it otherwise we face a General election and that might even end up in a Labour victory who will hold a second referendum and Brexit gets reversed.
Then there is another group who fear a no-deal, they might think they have to vote for this otherwise Boris will have us leave (somehow?) on the 31st with no deal.
That might almost be enough to push it through, even though its pretty much the same as the Checkers deal that the ERG chucked out. So who knows what will happen.
originally posted by: UKTruth
There's no back stop , so it's decidely different to last deal
At this point, the traitors are simply trying more tactics to delay in a last ditch attempt to deny democracy.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: UKTruth
There's no back stop , so it's decidely different to last deal
At this point, the traitors are simply trying more tactics to delay in a last ditch attempt to deny democracy.
As an avid Brexiteer I'm not happy, There is so much bluster, noise and self
congratulation, going on like smoke and mirrors I wonder just what's being lost
in the small print?
I have heard that the ECJ will trump our justice system, that the UK will not be
allowed to compete with the EU when making trade deals, little drops of
information seem to be seeping out that we still won't have control over ourselves.
And apparently we will still be paying indefinately ....... wasn't that one of the
reasons for Brexit that that money would be better spent by us?