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posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: purplemer




Who cares.


Scottish business would care.

You're an idiot if you think they wouldn't.




posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: paraphi


Get real with that stuff.


If the UK didnt make money from Scotland they would not want to keep it..



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong




Scottish business would care. You're an idiot if you think they wouldn't.


What on earth are you really trying to say. Is this the extent of your understanding of the subject. Its England that will be paying the extra taxes when scotland gets back in the EU again.

lol



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: alldaylong




Scottish business would care. You're an idiot if you think they wouldn't.


What on earth are you really trying to say. Is this the extent of your understanding of the subject. Its England that will be paying the extra taxes when scotland gets back in the EU again.

lol


You been smoking that Scotch Mist it would appear.

What makes you sure The EU would take you back? Some countries such as Turkey for instance have been trying to get into The EU for decades. Turkey GDP is 3 times greater than Scotland. Carry on dreaming.








posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong




What makes you sure The EU would take you back? Some countries such as Turkey for instance have been trying to get into The EU for decades. Turkey GDP is 3 times greater than Scotland. Carry on dreaming.


why is it such a big deal to you. If there is a ref now Scotland is gone. Simple as that. Why does it matter to you. Should you not be happy that people want to take control of there democratic systems?



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

Regards Turkey, it isn't about the GDP, it's really more of a geopolitical thing. An open border with Turkey is perhaps not desirable for many reasons. I'm sure Scotland on the other hand would be welcome as long as we adopt the Euro. Not that I fancy that scenario.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: alldaylong




What makes you sure The EU would take you back? Some countries such as Turkey for instance have been trying to get into The EU for decades. Turkey GDP is 3 times greater than Scotland. Carry on dreaming.


why is it such a big deal to you. If there is a ref now Scotland is gone. Simple as that. Why does it matter to you. Should you not be happy that people want to take control of there democratic systems?



No big deal for me whatever.

You're the one who thinks England is ripping off Scotland ( false )

You can have your independence for all i care, and lets see how that comes off.

When you become independent, good luck with rejoining The EU.




The EU has said an independent Scotland would have to join a queue of nations seeking membership of the bloc, after Nicola Sturgeon announced plans for a second independence referendum


www.independent.co.uk...

Please carry on with your pipe dream.



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posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: alldaylong




What makes you sure The EU would take you back? Some countries such as Turkey for instance have been trying to get into The EU for decades. Turkey GDP is 3 times greater than Scotland. Carry on dreaming.


why is it such a big deal to you. If there is a ref now Scotland is gone. Simple as that. Why does it matter to you. Should you not be happy that people want to take control of there democratic systems?



I see no reason why another 'once in a generation' vote being forced on Scots by the nats would generate a different result.

If it did I expect it would be honoured to the exact same extent as the Brexit ref is being honoured.

Remainers have set the inspiring example, have shown that losers consent is a thing of the past and continued spite, division and sabotage is the correct response to referendum results you don't like.

It would be funny watching the snp try and birth a new nation with roughly half the Scottish population tearing at them trying to bring it all tumbling down.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: alldaylong




What makes you sure The EU would take you back? Some countries such as Turkey for instance have been trying to get into The EU for decades. Turkey GDP is 3 times greater than Scotland. Carry on dreaming.


why is it such a big deal to you. If there is a ref now Scotland is gone. Simple as that. Why does it matter to you. Should you not be happy that people want to take control of there democratic systems?



There was already a referendum in 2014.
No need for another one.
The end.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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I see no reason why another 'once in a generation' vote being forced on Scots by the nats would generate a different result.


because people voted on the pretence that we would remain in the EU. Do you understand the reason now.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: justwokeup




I see no reason why another 'once in a generation' vote being forced on Scots by the nats would generate a different result.


because people voted on the pretence that we would remain in the EU. Do you understand the reason now.



Are you making this up as you go along?

The SNP claimed that the only way Scotland would remain in The EU would be to vote for independence. In fact the exact opposite of what you have stated.




Not surprisingly, the SNP is already arguing that leaving the UK might be the only way for Scotland to guarantee it remains in the EU.


www.theguardian.com...



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: justwokeup




I see no reason why another 'once in a generation' vote being forced on Scots by the nats would generate a different result.


because people voted on the pretence that we would remain in the EU. Do you understand the reason now.



Not really. If the new nat position is this

'The UK is leaving the EU, so we must leave the UK and stand alone. (Then beg our way back in to the EU sometime later on worse terms)."

Can't see it working. If your prime identity is British it's unaffected by whether we are in the EU or not. The nats are already convinced, it's Unionist Scots you need convince and that won't do it.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 02:35 PM
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Can't see it working. If your prime identity is British it's unaffected by whether we are in the EU or not. The nats are already convinced, it's Unionist Scots you need convince and that won't do it.


Its not like last time. The mood is very strong to go now.

The truth of the matter is this. Many south of the border would vote to leave Parliament if they could.

Would you..



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer

because people voted on the pretence that we would remain in the EU. Do you understand the reason now.




They voted to remain in the UK because IF they left they would have to

re apply to join as a 'new' nation? and would have to take on the euro?

And that was before the UK held the referendum for the whole of

the UK
to leave the EU.

The issue was more than a little conflated because none of the

politicans
believed that the result would be LEAVE. Due to the fact

that they are completely out of touch with the people.



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Soloprotocol




Most of it already is shipped from England's ports


And that is how it would remain if you became independent.

However the shipping cost would increase i would bet, making Scottish goods more expensive.



So you saying we would be better off staying in an economic block and not increasing the cost of trade...



posted on Oct, 6 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: paraphi




The fact remains that Scotland takes more from the Union than is contributed. Certainly, the average Scot benefits more than the average Englishman.


Do those figures include the monies lost from tax breaks in the north sea oil industry. Money that ended up in private hands and not in the hands of the people.

The amount siphoned off in private oil revenue would have been enough prop up the Scottish NHS and education system. The system is flawed and therefore following your figures.

Lets have a Union of Celtic Nations instead. Let England go it alone and see how well it does then propping up the biggest tax haven in the world the Square mile and its subsideries.


Didn't they already do the maths on the North Sea/Scotland and it didn't come up well?



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 05:05 AM
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They voted to remain in the UK because IF they left they would have to re apply to join as a 'new' nation? and would have to take on the euro?

Once again more ill-informed comments. We already meet the criteria to be part of Europe, We would walk straight back in before the year was out. The 27 nations would welcome us home with open arms. And no we don't need to take on the Euro, See Denmark and the UK for instance. Several others are obliged to use the Euro but so far have decided not too. It's not compulsory.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 07:09 AM
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hahaha we only benefit by not living in England (ooooooh jokes )

and that extra cash we just pish up a wall anyway

what does it matter when all the money goes back into the economy anyway right ?


Somehow I dont think any amount of figures even if they are factual is the actual truth of the matter

for a start how many times have we heard that all of these calculations arent really taking into consideration many factors which could contribute to the overall picture.

Im skeptical of all of these figures, as most of the time the figures are only created to draw political opinions before elections not to actually tell the public whats going on.

The barnett formula, wasn't that created by the tories just to stop the devolution process ? or to make it harder for labour or something like that

It was created by a torie during the thatcher / major era right , so surely it would seek to benefit the tories
at the expense of everyone else , and there are so many criticisms of it .

We are still using that same formula today.



posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: eletheia




They voted to remain in the UK because IF they left they would have to re apply to join as a 'new' nation? and would have to take on the euro?

Once again more ill-informed comments. We already meet the criteria to be part of Europe, We would walk straight back in before the year was out. The 27 nations would welcome us home with open arms. And no we don't need to take on the Euro, See Denmark and the UK for instance. Several others are obliged to use the Euro but so far have decided not too. It's not compulsory.



Look at the Faroe Islands and their complicated relationship with both Denmark and the EU

so who says its not possible to be out of the EU and still get trade with them , or be in the EU and not use the Euro
or be out of the EU and use the Euro!

They have made all these mad rules for tiny wee places like the faroe islands , so if they have bent rules for them they can do it for anyone.
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posted on Oct, 7 2019 @ 07:15 AM
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aye but we have a general election every 4/5 years so why not referendums?
If peoples will for political change is every 5 years according to government then why not any other political idea ?
Isnt that what democracy is for , to determine the will of the people, not to agree to something once and then never look back.


just because the rest of the UK dont like it or in your own opinion you dont happen to like it , its what Scottish people want
not what you want , because Scottish Independence and our say on our own future is our right , not anyone else's.



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