a reply to: Bone75
As I've stated with my OP for the thread, I'm a moderate, I've only voted Dem in Presidential races thus far while I have voted conservative on the
local and state level previously, mostly because I don't like seeing too much consolidated to yo one side of the aisle. As in so far as there
shouldn't be a Conservative House, Senate, and Presidency as I feel you have no way to allow for the checks and balances system and you'll just end
up with a runaway government regardless of which side is in power.
If you feel I'm putting words in your mouth than I apologize, it was intended as a generalization based on the majority of those within our party at
the moment and wasn't supposed to be directed at you specifically but after reviewing my wording it could obviously have been taken that way, do try
and keep in mind when I was replying to you I was pretty po'd at the situation and was really just railing against the paradigm we face.
My point is the evidence isn't their, at least not yet. It's far to subjective, everyone is filling in the blanks with their own version and bias.
see he was "wink, wink, nod, nodding" to Ukraine do as I want or face the consequences in an effort to destroy a opponent in the
see Trump doing the honorable thing and simply bringing to the Ukranian President's attention the corruption that occurred under
his predecessors watch, and even accepting the blame for our country meddling in his countries policies and judiciary system allowing the Ukranian
President a chance to rectify it.
In truth, this isn't a quid pro quo situation for the simple reasons expressed by the evidence and even testimony of Zelensky himself. It's proven
that while prior to the call the Trump administration had placed a hold on the funds Ukraine was going to receive BUT Ukraine wasn't made aware of
this until just before the media did, which happened to be a MONTH AFTER the famous phone call was made.
Without this crucial piece of the story going in favor of the Leftist narrative how can any of it be validated? At the very least it causes doubt,
impeaching a President of the United States of America is extremely damaging not just to the man being impeached, it damages Americans faith in the
Democratic system, it destroys our credibility in the eyes of the world (far more than Trump's boorish behavior ever could), it negates out
negotiating power when it comes to de-escalating conflict with countries like N. Korea, Iran, and China. I could list more but I think you understand
what I'm getting at. The most damaging of all the things it will do though,
Impeaching President Trump, even if only in the House, will without a doubt force the country into a recession. Making this choice will cost
families their income, will cost families their homes, the housing market will collapse and Americans will be stuck with mortages with rising rates
and their houses will no longer even hold the value of the money borrowed against it, we will lose our elderly their ability to support themselves
when social security fails due to it and there pensions flutter out, how many people will commit suicide because they lose everything when the market
tanks, we have put more minorities (that have historically always had worse employment rates and wages) into better sustainable jobs than ever in our
history and that WILL end, it will drive inflation through the roof de-valueing the savings people already have, the effects of that potential
recession will be felt for decades to come. This is the direct consequences of taking the country down this road of impeachment and we are making an
active choice to allow this to happen to ourselves and everyone else it will effect based on heresay, and subjective evidence that truly doesn't climb
to the level of undeniable proof.
These are the reasons it shouldn't be done just to fire up supporters in our particular clan, you cannot deny that establishment Democrats and the
media have been attempting to impeach President Trump since before he ever took office for no reason other than we could not accept the results of the
election. Ever since we have latched on to whatever we could any tiny bit of anything that IF we could just prove we could finally take him down.
Trump's a boorish asshole with bad hair, orange tan, and tiny hands that absolutely doesn't represent the ideology of 40ish percent of the country but
that isn't enough to warrant what we have been doing to Trumps administration, doesn't warrant the way we have continuously demonized our fellow
citizens as Nazis and white supremacists for supporting him.
If there ever does end up being REAL evidence, undeniable evidence of some treasonous or completely unethical and unforgivable act by Trump that
warrants all the horrible things that will occur if we impeach a sitting president, than I will put my full support behind it, but right now the
Ukraine story isn't it, the Russians collusion hoax wasn't it, SharpieGate wasnt it though, and the countless other scandals that turned up to be
unsubstantiated aren't either.
If we want Trump out, than we MUST beat him at the election, that is how our beautiful system works, there is no other way before us and the worst
part of all of it is with this impeachment push we are doing nothing but handing the election over to Trump we are conceding the race before we even
have a Primary candidate.
edit on 28-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Because