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Tulsi Turns And Backs Trump Impeachment - How She Lost My Respect And Democrats My Loyalty

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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: HonorablyTainted
a reply to: Bone75
how can you say Trump is in the wrong here but in the same breath condone Biden's actions who's actions where far worse, manipulative, and could very well have caused long lasting damage to the country of Ukraine.

You're putting words in my mouth... I haven't condoned anything.

In fact, I think Biden and his son are crooks too... always have, but that doesn't give Trump a free pass to abuse his power trying to prove it. If we don't hold his feet to the fire then we're no better than the democrats.

I'm not calling for impeachment, but he could really use a spanking from time to time.




posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

It's abuse of power to ask about corruption of a possible president? Precedent was set when they did it to Trump.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

As I've stated with my OP for the thread, I'm a moderate, I've only voted Dem in Presidential races thus far while I have voted conservative on the local and state level previously, mostly because I don't like seeing too much consolidated to yo one side of the aisle. As in so far as there shouldn't be a Conservative House, Senate, and Presidency as I feel you have no way to allow for the checks and balances system and you'll just end up with a runaway government regardless of which side is in power.
If you feel I'm putting words in your mouth than I apologize, it was intended as a generalization based on the majority of those within our party at the moment and wasn't supposed to be directed at you specifically but after reviewing my wording it could obviously have been taken that way, do try and keep in mind when I was replying to you I was pretty po'd at the situation and was really just railing against the paradigm we face.

My point is the evidence isn't their, at least not yet. It's far to subjective, everyone is filling in the blanks with their own version and bias.

Democrat - see he was "wink, wink, nod, nodding" to Ukraine do as I want or face the consequences in an effort to destroy a opponent in the Presidential race.

Conservative - see Trump doing the honorable thing and simply bringing to the Ukranian President's attention the corruption that occurred under his predecessors watch, and even accepting the blame for our country meddling in his countries policies and judiciary system allowing the Ukranian President a chance to rectify it.

In truth, this isn't a quid pro quo situation for the simple reasons expressed by the evidence and even testimony of Zelensky himself. It's proven that while prior to the call the Trump administration had placed a hold on the funds Ukraine was going to receive BUT Ukraine wasn't made aware of this until just before the media did, which happened to be a MONTH AFTER the famous phone call was made.

Without this crucial piece of the story going in favor of the Leftist narrative how can any of it be validated? At the very least it causes doubt, impeaching a President of the United States of America is extremely damaging not just to the man being impeached, it damages Americans faith in the Democratic system, it destroys our credibility in the eyes of the world (far more than Trump's boorish behavior ever could), it negates out negotiating power when it comes to de-escalating conflict with countries like N. Korea, Iran, and China. I could list more but I think you understand what I'm getting at. The most damaging of all the things it will do though,

Impeaching President Trump, even if only in the House, will without a doubt force the country into a recession. Making this choice will cost families their income, will cost families their homes, the housing market will collapse and Americans will be stuck with mortages with rising rates and their houses will no longer even hold the value of the money borrowed against it, we will lose our elderly their ability to support themselves when social security fails due to it and there pensions flutter out, how many people will commit suicide because they lose everything when the market tanks, we have put more minorities (that have historically always had worse employment rates and wages) into better sustainable jobs than ever in our history and that WILL end, it will drive inflation through the roof de-valueing the savings people already have, the effects of that potential recession will be felt for decades to come. This is the direct consequences of taking the country down this road of impeachment and we are making an active choice to allow this to happen to ourselves and everyone else it will effect based on heresay, and subjective evidence that truly doesn't climb to the level of undeniable proof.

These are the reasons it shouldn't be done just to fire up supporters in our particular clan, you cannot deny that establishment Democrats and the media have been attempting to impeach President Trump since before he ever took office for no reason other than we could not accept the results of the election. Ever since we have latched on to whatever we could any tiny bit of anything that IF we could just prove we could finally take him down. Trump's a boorish asshole with bad hair, orange tan, and tiny hands that absolutely doesn't represent the ideology of 40ish percent of the country but that isn't enough to warrant what we have been doing to Trumps administration, doesn't warrant the way we have continuously demonized our fellow citizens as Nazis and white supremacists for supporting him.
If there ever does end up being REAL evidence, undeniable evidence of some treasonous or completely unethical and unforgivable act by Trump that warrants all the horrible things that will occur if we impeach a sitting president, than I will put my full support behind it, but right now the Ukraine story isn't it, the Russians collusion hoax wasn't it, SharpieGate wasnt it though, and the countless other scandals that turned up to be unsubstantiated aren't either.
If we want Trump out, than we MUST beat him at the election, that is how our beautiful system works, there is no other way before us and the worst part of all of it is with this impeachment push we are doing nothing but handing the election over to Trump we are conceding the race before we even have a Primary candidate.

edit on 28-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Because



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: HonorablyTainted

Impeaching President Trump, even if only in the House, will without a doubt force the country into a recession. Making this choice will cost families their income, will cost families their homes, the housing market will collapse and Americans will be stuck with mortages with rising rates and their houses eill no longer even gold tge value of the money borrowed against it, we will lose our elderly their ability to support themselves when social security fails due to it and there pensions flutter out, how many people will commit suicide because they lose everything when the market tanks, we have put more minorities (that have historically always had worse employment rates and wages) into better sustainable jobs than ever in our history and that WILL end, it will drive inflation through the roof de-valueing the savings people already have, the effects of that potential recession will be felt for decades to come.




LOL. Some cult 45 doom porn right there.
You would be great in North Korea



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: XCrycek
So do you actually have something constructive to say or are you just attempting to validate my reasons for leaving the Democrat party? See this is the problem you and my Leftist brothers and sisters have completely forgone the need for real evidence, for facts, for reality. Give me something to work with here!!! I don't want to back republicans but # me no one is doing anything right anymore! You've all become tyrannical authoritarians arguing this is how I feel so it doesn't matter what the truth is! HELP ME OUT HERE INSTEAD OF JUST SPOUTING SOME UNEDUCATED SNARKY COMMENT!

I really want to believe none of the leftists are taking the time to consider the consequences of doing this past just hurting Trump because if your to stupid to see this is what is historically what will happen than no one can help you or any of them. Otherwise your purposely ignoring the consequences because you just hate Trump that much that or you feel it's an acceptable fallout if it gets rid of him and if that's the case you don't deserve to be an American.
edit on 28-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Stupid People



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 04:39 PM
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Why is FOX and other MSM twisting her words?

She supports the inquiry in light of the whistleblower story, but not impeachment.

In the middle of the FOX article they link to a hint that the whistleblower story is just a story - the whistleblower doesn't even have any first-hand knowledge of the alleged Trump call with Russians.

Maybe they will let her back into the debates if she allows them to say she is 'for' impeachment which is absurd since its based on a make-believe whistleblower story/fake news.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 04:49 PM
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Apperently the Tulsi supporting it thing is BS. Good to know I'm an idiot trusting a random ATSer on this issue.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove
Umm....
Sorry...but no.....i wish....but no

www.nytimes.com...

www.foxnews.com...

www.washingtontimes.com...

www.breitbart.com...



Where are you getting your info?




edit on 29-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Because Google links suck, had to go directly yo the source



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: tulsi

The word is probably. Not prolly.

www.lexico.com...
Oxford disagrees with you
Don't worry, you'll be right about something
Someday



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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Tulsi Turns And Backs Trump Impeachment - How She Lost My Respect And Democrats My Loyalty


You should not be loyal to any party to begin with.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

Agreed, this is a bit of conflict of interest and she should resign her commission.



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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Good for her, Trump needs to go. He is a traitor.


and a pedo...

edit on 29-9-2019 by Theyy because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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Her own supporters on the left were leaving her over this issue, she couldn't afford to let that happen this early in the primary cycle. She was in the ultimate political catch 22. But her first gut instincts were correct, a full out impeachment session and trial during an election year is going to rip the red and blue states apart to the point there might never be a healing, it's like some have said an all American cold civil war.

I agree with you though, nobody within the democrat party is capable of standing up to their bases mob.....that is why they all will fail in 2020. America 2019 is so much like ancient Rome now, there is the mob and social degradation embedded within the world power weakening the republic from within.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: neo96



Tulsi Turns And Backs Trump Impeachment - How She Lost My Respect And Democrats My Loyalty


You should not be loyal to any party to begin with.



This 100%. Blindly trusting any party or politician is a problem.



posted on Sep, 30 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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Based on the only available transcript that everyone has seen, there were zero crimes and zero things to investigate.

Anyone saying otherwise is full of you-know-what.



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