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How do you Unite a fractured nation?

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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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We have whole generations who were given whatever they want. They never learned what the word compromise means. until we learn again how to compromise this will continue. because if you cant work together nothing will get done!




posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: kwakakev


Ummm...can you say...human trafficking...?







YouSir



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Kool
blame the dems and ask for unity.


This is a perfect example.

How would it ever be possible for someone like Silly and myself to ever agree on a political candidate?


I think the Redneck was spot on.


You both find a way to get over yourselves and find value in other people's opinions even if they run contrary to yours. Plenty of people do this every day; and I suspect others can as well.

And to be clear I do mean to say this respectfully; though I do realize it can sound snarky. In today's world almost all of our systems are designed to wall us off from other opinions. So getting over ones self can be a difficult task.

But the alternative will be harder in the long run. Because we will fall into that civil war people keep taking about; and that will not be fun no mater what opinions one might have.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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US and Them. The old divide. The separation of identity. The pitting of one group against another. That today is tearing the country apart in some ways like never before. You really want to unite the country again? Change the mindset. There will always be an Us and Them mentality. But rather than Conservative and Liberal is has to be We the People and the Government.

Fastest and easiest change that could be done with a simple majority vote in the House and the Senate and then the President to sign it would be to eliminate the income tax in exchange for a simple sales tax known as the Fair Tax. There is no reason for everyone to fill out form as an unpaid employee. There is no reason for the government to know how much you make or you work for. There is no reason for arguments over which politician is going to steal more of your money. Simply put, it gives you the freedom to be you.

Campaign related material can not be broadcast before January 1 of an election year. That ends two years of the silly season on radio and TV. Doesn’t prevent billboards nor internet ads. People are very well trained to tune those out. And over intrusive internet ads tend to have a very negative impact on sales.

Block parties. Yeah I don’t like eating the weird old cat lady’s food either because you know one of them was laying in the bowl or used it as a litter box. But socializing turns you from a Them to an Us over time. People tend not to commit crimes against people they know eventually. Turns the bigger cities into closer small communities within the city.

Multiple other ideas are possible, but the end goal is correcting the identification of the Them and get Them more and more out of your daily life.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat


Ummm...to be frank...that’s a really quaint and simplistic thought train...

Please explain how one...gets over themselves...


It’s not getting over oneself...it’s accepting exactly what it means to be human...equanimity...finding balance between the extremes...

In the right circumstance...we are all homicidal...we also exhibit rare instances of altruism...mostly we just want to be left alone to pursue whatever captures our desires...inherent in that is tribalism...whose motivation is rooted in like versus difference...in territorial display by either group dynamic or individual expression...


Each of us at the end of the day retires to our personal oasis...where we lock ourselves and our familial units in...and the rest of the world out...

You also spoke of fear in your preceding post...being fearful is not a motivating factor in preparedness...being prudent is...but not fear...

“We do these things because they are self evident”...






YouSir



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


Ummm...yes...we always try to reach beyond our grasp...such is also a part of our nature...

You don’t fail...by recognizing that humans are complex creatures...that you contain within your core divergent abilities that are situation specific...

We are ever a competitive species...as such we practice these complexities...these divergent abilities...this competition daily...and it’s neither good or bad...it simply is...

Progressivism teaches a lie...it states that utopia vision is more than reaching beyond our grasp...that somehow we can leave our complex natures in the dust and live in harmony with everything and everyone...that conflict and individual nature would be relegated to some distant history...because we have evolved beyond what we are...into some image of enlightened coexistence...where we have freed ourselves from any acquaintance with our mammalian...animal reality...

This is the lie you labor under...wouldn’t it be more prudent to just accept non perfection...realize that the universe is a harsh place not suited to dreamers...better suited to predators...and accept also that predating is our nature...subjugation...is our nature...subjugation of both specie and environment...

Diametric opposition of belief systems is irreconcilable...only and until individually and tribally we recognize that this diametric opposition exists within each of us as well...reconciliation there within the psyche must take place before any such consideration on a tribal...much less global scale...


IMO...naturally...







YouSir



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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We have all known for many decades that the internet was the opening of a can worms. We all have our beliefs and our principles, and our belligerent claims that we will defend them unto death, but none of them move or stimulate us enough to actually act and do something. Most of us all shrink and sulk into a dark corner at every opportunity to act against domestic threats that fall upon the country we want our children to live in.

Look at what they are standing up against in Hong Kong, and how long they have kept the protests going with no abatement. Look at Greta Thunberg (irrespective of what you think about her), that young girl is doing what she believes in. She has committed to action where her mind and mouth is, and has done more for her own cause than...say, any gun owner in America has done for theirs. She walks where her talk takes her and faces the opposition on their grounds.

To unite a divided nation you need a lowly common person who shares in the same struggle and pain as yourself, but who clearly demonstrates that they have had enough, and gives voice to their frustrations by speaking publicly the same thoughts you all have. People like this become the attractive force others can rally round to and begin to share in the same actions. With the right words and deeds they can send a ripple across an entire nation and gather all like-minded people to one another to share and act for the same cause. There can absolutely be no compromise and no let up until the goal is achieved, at whatever cost. We must never allow nefarious forces the time to enjoy the fruits of their machinations against us. They must never be allowed their cake to eat!

History rightly honours those of the past who gave their lives so that others of future generations may enjoy the country and society they fought for, rightly expecting us to protect and maintain it into the future; but somewhere along the timeline we simply stopped honouring their sacrifice, we failed to protect and to keep what they gave to us from vested interests who have profited and continue to do so out of our disinterest, our apathy, and our own self-interest, leaving it to 'others' to protect and maintain it for us. There never were any 'others', there was and is only ever you, and if you do not take up the baton then no one will. Fact is, we are all in the race, but very far behind.

You will not find the person or persons you need within anyone you elect, because they rapidly become one of the vested interests and ultimately administrate against you. All the checks and balances are gone. The watchdogs watch and see nothing. All duty to country and society has once again fallen as a responsibility to the woefully trusting but apathetic public. There is a very necessary need to reign in all the corporations masquerading as government. There is a very essential requirement to regulate with prejudice all industry, and to eliminate lobbyists. It is time (long over due) for a domestic regime change.
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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

An attack on us would do it.

Lower the false flags to half mast. Lol



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes,like cookie cutter robots.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I agree, there will be an American Apocalypse! This very thread confirms it...good job beez!!

And if I get caught up in the blood ritual and can't get out in time, there are a few people on my list and revenge will be sweet or perhaps they may kill me. Either way, I simply don't care anymore.

Ironic to turn from a hippie idealist to a confirmed Nihilist; Perhaps that's what age does to a man.

America deserves what it gets....




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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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It seems the only way to heal the division and unite this country is if conservatives give up and bow down under the authority of the left. It's what they want, and going by the last three years apparently all they will accept.

"THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!" - Bernie Sanders
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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Ha thanks for milk lolcow.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

I think her royal highness secretly loves the division!



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

I had to go back and search my own emotions to answer you.

What is it we are afraid of? I submit we are afraid of being subjugated. Our society is filled to the brim with examples of subjugation. Even here on ATS, a regular staple is a policeman accused of abuse of power. When one is subjugated, one becomes subject to the very whims of another, and I believe we all realize how capricious those whims can be. Our property can be taken, our abilities can be restricted, even our very lives can be terminated should someone to whom we are subjugated choose to do so.

Look at the hot topics right now: Gun control is a fear that our ability to protect ourselves be taken away, or from the other side, our lives may be ended. Abortion issues are driven by a fear that children will be harmed, or again from the other side, that we might be forced to reproduce. Government corruption is based on a fear that one side or the other will restrict our abilities to live our lives fully, either by financial pressures or by force of arms.

In other words, it is not just fear that drives us, because fear requires something to be afraid of, even if that something is imagined. Our fear is a fear of subjugation, and our response is then to try and subjugate those who would subjugate us. If we are those in power, we cannot be subjugated.

Again I will resort to my own emotional condition. While I rarely feel what most call fear today (there is little to fear when one has little to lose), I do experience worry, which one could argue is fear of that which might be. My worry is exclusively of other humans. That rattlesnake? I have it subjugated through tools, ranging from a garden hoe to a .22 pistol. Even a bear I can overcome with arms, and without arms can probably escape from. I do not concern myself over things like asteroid strikes or nuclear warfare; I understand that there is little to nothing I can do to avoid these and therefore have no need to interrupt my life with worry over them. Perhaps that comes form the Cold War, when living with an imagined fear for so long caused that fear to mitigate.

Even a wildfire, while something I have minor control over and which does instill some concern, is not a major fear. I know how to control fire, and I trust my neighbors to do the same.

But big government coming to my door to subjugate me? That is a concern. I watched a Presidential candidate declare that "Yes, we are coming for your AR-15s" the other night to rounds of applause from supporters. He wants to subjugate me under his authority; he stated so. His supporters want me subjugated. They want me vulnerable to that bear or a wild boar, or even a rabid rabbit. Does that worry me? Certainly it does!

So I will say that while fear is indeed the driving force, it is not the base reason: the desire to subjugate others is the reason behind the fear. Perhaps if others were not so adamant about their desire to subjugate me, I would be more open to their ideology. As it stands now, and as it must stand for some time to come due to the extent their actions have taught me their intentions, that cannot happen. I simply no longer trust what others say, and really, have trouble trusting even in what others do.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: YouSir

Competition is actually a good thing, as long as it is taken in the proper context. I have competed all my life. I competed against other students in college, I competed against other designers when I ran my design firm, and I competed back in the old hot-rodding days to see who had the fastest wheels and the ability to handle them. Never during any of those competitions did I want to harm my competitors in any way.

I compete with my views and writing ability on ATS every day. That doesn't mean I take any sort of delight in making others lose; it means I want to test my abilities and strengthen them. There is little more exhilarating to me than to test my logic against another's, each of us searching for that one little flaw in the other's logical premise. Sometimes I find their flaw first; sometimes they find mine. Sometimes I "win," sometimes they "win." But I consider it a win for both of us, because we both walk away better than we were before.

I have a friend who I play chess with regularly. He is another engineer who I helped through school, and we collaborate frequently on projects. I taught him to play chess, and now he beats me more than I'd like. After every game, we shake hands... neither of us really lost, because we both walk away better at chess then we were at the start of the game. Sure, there's some good-natured ribbing going on afterward, but it's never serious. I still help him out, teaching him how things really work and helping him hone his skills. Perhaps one day he will be a better engineer than I am; if that happens, I will take no offense, because I still get better by helping him improve even if he goes beyond my abilities.

I'm going to tell a tale I rarely tell, because it is somewhat embarrassing... it happened in my early youth, around the 3rd or 4th grade if I remember correctly. I was known as a "straight-A" student back then... my idea of a poor test score was an 85. It came easily for me. I rarely studied at home; I read because I enjoyed it. I wanted to know why... why is the sky blue, why is grass green, why do things always fall down? I was in all the offered advanced classes, and was one of the first accepted into the phonetics class... the latest and most advanced class this little school had.

Then the day of that test came. I looked on it the same as always... just a test, no big deal, but for some reason I wasn't sure of the answers this time. When I got the score back, it was, I believe, in the 40s. I had failed! I had literally failed the class! My world was shattered... those who used to make fun of me because I liked learning had outperformed me! I broke down, right in the middle of class, and became so despondent that my parents had to be called.

I had never failed before, at least not to that extent.

But that taught me something extremely vital: success is never a guarantee. There is always someone better at any given subject. There is always the chance one will lose in any competition. True success comes only by accepting this and driving oneself to be better than before, always moving forward, always gaining ground. It comes not from trickery or beating down one's opponent.

I think far too many have never had that learning experience.

Without understanding what success is, that success is about always improving and has nothing to do with one's opponent, people tend to associate winning or losing with subjugation. The "top dog" always wins, while the others lose and are thus subject to the power of that "top dog." Look at how society has changed for our children: they are raised more often than not in an environment where everything is theirs for the asking. Those they are subject to, their parents, provide for their needs. Then they meet the real world, and encounter real competition for the first time. Suddenly, those who are better than them are no longer providers, but are seen as takers and superior beings who no longer feel a need to provide. So people turn to trickery and vengeful tactics to "win" at any cost... they know nothing else.

The sad fact is that as soon as those tactics are employed, they truly lose. They lose the drive and opportunity to become better and grow.

Socialism breeds in this environment. Socialism is not about equality or some other such noble notion. It is about forcing those to whom one is subject to provide for them instead of letting people provide for themselves. It is a lie that builds on the success of limited socialist applications (highways, public schools, etc.) to claim that only by subjugating others through the power of arms can one be truly free. That is the opposite of the truth; true freedom includes the freedom to "lose" by necessity. Without the freedom to "lose," there is no freedom to win. I view the recent socialist pushes in politics as verification of my position... "give us limited success rather than the chance to succeed fully, in return for our subjugation." Of course those who truly desire to subjugate others will be more than happy to accommodate, and will promise the moon and stars for the opportunity.

I get frustrated on here at times, I know. That frustration is typically when my opponent tries to resort to that trickery and beratement, not because I think I might "lose"... that is never a concern because I understand I win even if I come in second place. No, it's because they have already lost and don't understand it. By losing so willingly, they actually rob me of the chance to improve as they do themselves.

So we're back to subjugation. "Win" at any cost, even if means losing, because otherwise one might lose the chance to subjugate others and be subjugated themselves.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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And if I get caught up in the blood ritual and can't get out in time, there are a few people on my list and revenge will be sweet or perhaps they may kill me. Either way, I simply don't care anymore.

Then you have already truly lost. You have my sympathies.


Ironic to turn from a hippie idealist to a confirmed Nihilist; Perhaps that's what age does to a man.

No, it's not age. I'm old too. At one time I was one of these liberal kids with crazy ideas of Utopia. In many ways, that has never changed; it's just that what is considered Utopia by others has changed.

I suspect it may be cynicism. If so, I understand; some days I have a very hard time not being cynical as well. But then I come to my senses and realize that despite everything, I am but one snapshot in a future of a people with the ability to become greater than they can imagine. If only they can see their true ability.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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Every one is different so they will have to search with in themselves to figure out how to move past their internal biases and start to respect others.

As a general answer there will likely have to be a willingness to go out and speak with those who one deems as their ideological opponents with the intent to learn and listen instead of persuade them to agree with oneself.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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I often wonder. What if people's emotions towards others can be 'felt'. It is a feeling that hints at something more to this reality. That highness person doesn't understand how to nurture positive vibes as their only tool is to inspire outrage. So outrage is the only medium to keep on getting the 'feelz'. Maybe instead of outrage we should be directing pity their way to help them overcome certain limitations?

I have no other explanation.



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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As a general answer there will likely have to be a willingness to go out and speak with those who one deems as their ideological opponents with the intent to learn and listen instead of persuade them to agree with oneself.

When that happens, both will win. Until it happens, both will lose.



Unfortunately, I don't see that happening any time soon. We will not allow it.

Danny Joe Brown never got to see the madness end. I doubt we will either.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 04:11 PM
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Sure there CAN be unity. However, all factions have their influencers and masters (even if the faction fails to recognize such) who gain by keeping all factions deeply divided. Unity can only and very broadly achieved when:

1. Recognition and mitigation of influencers controlling the factions.

2. An enemy or situation arises that is bigger than any, many if not all factions. Something that unites the masses.




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