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originally posted by: KKLOCO
How do we unite, when everyone at the top — wants us divided.
I’m never in the mud pit. So take this from someone who doesn’t take sides.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DBCowboy
I don't believe it's possible to unite people that want different goals.
So yeah, it's impossible in my opinion.
originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Sublimecraft
I think this conversation relates to the entire world as much as it does to just the US. Name a place where division and a refusal to compromise are not an issue. The entire world is fractured.
originally posted by: ketsuko
Someone mentioned we think we've evolved as a society because we have such great technology when we really haven't.
I think to an extent that's a truth too. I see a lot of hubris in claims we can control society, control the entire economy, that we are so much more evolved that we can change our genders at will, that we can control all of nature if we desire, etc.
We are basically acting like the freaking Victorians are the height of the British Empire. We are so snobbish in our technocratic belief we are masters of the universe because ... science and technology! Not so different from them. They boiled themselves alive in gas powered bathtubs, and we're killing our children by feeding them puberty blockers because we know better than nature what gender they should be, etc.
originally posted by: musicismagic
The United States is not a broken nation. The news media has turned against the American people and when that happens ( actually it has happened) the nation (any nation) will fall from within.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Blaine91555
No. There are groups marching toward a much more controlled economy, especially when you start talking about single payer health care, for example. That's talking about taking over a very large chunk of the economy and more or less putting the government in complete charge of it sort of like they run the school system now.
I am sympathetic to people who think they want this, but they have zero tolerance for those of us who don't. In order for them to have what they want, we all have to go in on their system. You cannot have a free market system alongside a command economy system. The amount of government interference already in the health care market already causes quite a bit of skewing out of favor of those of us not in a government controlled system as it is, but we can see those in government controlled systems have their own issues and problems (VA for example) that make me suspicious that a total government system will be any better than what we have and quite possibly worse.
And for every government controlled system they implement, there is no freedom except for those who are wealthy enough to both pay for what they want and then pay for their own freedom. And if you can manage that, they hate you for it.