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originally posted by: grey580
However it should be noted that Ukraine's Burisma case was closed and no wrong doing was found and the company agreed to pay any taxes that it owed.
Shokin’s probe was composed of three separate cases. Solomon interviewed the current Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko in March 2019 which I wrote about here. Lutsenko confirmed that after Shokin was fired, the primary case was “transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU).” You may recall that many Embassy officials, and their actions as well, were pro-Hillary Clinton.
It should come as no surprise that NABU closed the case. Solomon reported:
A second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.
In February 2014, Biden became the Obama administration’s “point man” on Ukraine. Within months, Hunter’s business, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, was receiving large monthly deposits from Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company. These payments began in the spring of 2014 and continued through the fall of 2015. According to writer Peter Schweitzer, both Hunter and his business partner were named to Burisma’s board in the spring of 2014 as well. Hunter was tasked with overseeing Burisma’s legal team.
On 13 December 2010 Lutsenko was charged with abuse of office and forgery by Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka. On 5 November it was already announcement that Lutsenko faced criminal charges for an alleged financial crime involving a less than $5,000 overpayment to his driver. According to Lutsenko the criminal case against him is political persecution. Pshonka has denied this. Lutsenko was also charged with having signed an order whilst on holiday and not having cancelled the traditional "National Militia Day" despite a general instruction from the then Prime Minister to make budgetary savings where possible. Lutsenko has been jailed since 26 December 2010 in Kiev's Lukyanivka Prison. Lutsenko was arrested near his home on 26 December; on 27 December a court ordered his arrest on the grounds that he had been dodging questioning in violation of his written pledge not to leave Kiev. Three criminal cases opened against him where merged into one on 27 January 2011. Lutsenko went on a hunger strike from 22 April till 24 May 2011 in protest against his "preventive punishment".
Lutsenko filed a complaint in a U.S. court on 14 December 2011 against his (Ukrainian) prosecutors, made possible by the Alien Tort Statute, for "illegal arrest and arbitrarily prolonged detention".
On 27 February 2012, after a pre-trial detention of 14 months, Lutsenko was sentenced to fours year in jail (with confiscation of his property) for embezzlement and abuse of office. The total damages caused by Lutsenko to Ukraine's budget had been estimated at $125,000. Lutsenko immediately after his sentence stated he will appeal against sentence. The European Commission stated the day of his sentence "signals the continuation of trials in Ukraine which do not respect international standards as regards fair, transparent and independent legal process"; spokesperson for the United States Department of State Victoria Nuland stated the cases raised "serious concerns about the government of Ukraine's commitment to democracy and the rule of law"; other Council of Europe member have criticised the sentence in similar wording. In a statement issued by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) right after the verdict of 27 February 2012 Lutsenko was named "the victim of a political vendetta"; the next day the President of Pace Jean-Claude Mignon called for his release. Human rights organizations have urged the high courts in Ukraine to overturn the verdict against Lutsenko. On 29 February 2012 the European People's Party demanded "immediate release of Yulia Tymoshenko, Yuriy Lutsenko and other political prisoners; it also insisted the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union should not be signed and ratified until these demands where met. An appeal to the sentence was filed 7 March 2012. Since the EU has shelved the European Union Association Agreement and Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement with Ukraine because of the imprisonment of him and Tymoshenko.
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) will consider a complaint lodged by Lutsenko on 17 April 2012, Lutsenko claims his arrest and the decision on his detention were arbitrary and unlawful.
On 3 July 2012, the ECHR stated that the arrest of Lutsenko violated his human rights and the court ordered the Ukrainian government to pay 15,000 Euro to Lutsenko as compensation for moral damages.
On 17 August 2012 Lutsenko was sentenced to two years in prison for the extension of an investigative case concerning Valentyn Davydenko, the driver of former Security Service of Ukraine First Deputy Chief Volodymyr Satsiuk, as part of an investigation into the poisoning of then presidential candidate Viktor Yuschenko. He served his time in a prison in the city of Mena. During his imprisonment Lutsenko was moved several times to hospital to receive medical treatment.
Lutsenko lost his appeal on 3 April 2013; this High Court ruling could be challenged in any other Ukrainian court.
The judges of the Higher Specialized Court on Civil and Criminal Cases will on 10 April 2013 announce a ruling on the appeal against the second conviction of Lutsenko regarding the poisoning of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko; this will not influence the term of Lutsenko's imprisonment.
How much of a stretch is it to believe that elements of the former corrupt Ukrainian government still exist in Ukraine a mere 4 months after Zelensky took power?
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: TheRedneck
Maybe because there's no evidence other than Republicans grasping at straws that Joe Biden did anything wrong. Where as with Trump it's pretty blatant evidence.
The NSA undoubtedly recorded Trumps conversation. They should be able to disclose the actual recording.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
--continued from above--
From the same ar ticle:
That is, the Presidential Administration stated fact that Sakvarelidze should become your deputy?
Not exactly. A start was a kind of familiarization. Having greeted David at one of the working meetings, Pyatt said to me: "Well, this man is very respected by the American people." Well, I answered and asked, and what did he do for the USA? After all, they all escaped from their countries... Pyatt became mad, he was offended by this...
That is, Sakvarelidze was imposed by the Americans? So he dealt with their interests here, right?
Partly so, but he did not serve America’s interests, but Biden’s personal interests (I clearly share these things). Specifically, Biden stood behind it all. Then Biden landed here such managers who were personally obliged to him and were on his pay and allowance. Everyone knew about it.
Do you think that the "diamond prosecutors" (“diamond prosecutors,” troves of diamonds, cash and other valuables were found in the homes of two of Shokin’s subordinates, suggesting that they had been taking bribes, - ed.) case was used for blackmailing you so that you would step back from Zlochevsky?
No, I would never have gone on such a deal. Sakvarelidze and Trepak simply covered these judges, and used them in their “Biden needs.”
So why then you were fired?
Biden took it very seriously. He promised Poroshenko that he would bring damaging information against me. He arrived in December 2015, spoke at the Verkhovna Rada, said nothing about it, and left. I then got ready and went to Bankova (where President’s Administration is located, - ed.). The conversation was like: "Well, did Biden bring some damaging information?" - "Viktor, he did not bring anything against you." You know that if the Vice-President of the United States had evidence of my corruption, he would probably use all this for his own purposes.
But this did not really help.
Yes, there were regular ultimatums and discussions about me. I finally crossed the threshold on February 2, 2016, when we went to the courts with requests to re-impose arrests on the Burisma property. I suppose that then the president received another call from Biden, blackmail by non-allotment of credit... Poroshenko surrendered then.
What? That sounds like Shokin was actually trying to ferret out corruption from the Burisma Group. Now recall from above that he was feuding with his second in command, and that his associates were caught with all that hot loot that it makes no sense for them to have lying around at home. He also apparently would not take bribes from Zlochevsky to drop the investigations.
It appears that Shokin was not as corrupt as his reputation says.
Which answers the question of why Zlochevsky was forced to flee prosecution. But if Shokin wasn't corrupt, why was he fired? According to Shokin himself above, Biden was the source of the corruption. He could have gotten his son a position on the board of the Burisma Group to replace Zlochevsky... and the only thing that could interfere was an investigation by Viktor Shokin.
Now, all that is simply supposition, a tall tale that formed in my mind. It does not mean either Biden did anything wrong. However, it does have circumstantial evidentiary support, and to my thinking that means there should be an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden by Ukraine... ironically exactly what Trump was asking for. So why the fervor over making sure Joe Biden is insulated from any such investigation?
We also know that Trump's primary mention was Crowdstrike, the company who performed the forensic examination on the hacked DNC server. We also know that the FBI was denied access to the servers, and that denial means that they could not possibly have searched the drives for residual data to indicate improper erased access... a duplicate drive simply does not contain that type of information. This kind of examination, based on the results of an outside private firm, is highly unusual. Is it possible that the information actually obtained from Crowdstrike is still in the Ukraine as a backup? Could those servers still be sitting a warehouse somewhere? There is, since last month, a new Prosecutor General, Rusian Riaboshapka, and President Zelensky seemed to think so based on the phone call transcript. President Zelensky ran on a platform of anti-corruption... could this be Trump's opportunity to find out exactly how the Russian investigation came about?
That would explain the frantic calls for impeachment. They are doubly strange when one realizes that the election is only a little over a year away and the political fallout from defeating Trump in the election would be orders of magnitude less severe than impeaching him over a questionable phone call. Why would the Democrats in Congress choose the hardest route with the most risk and least chance of success with a Republican Senate? Also, several Republicans are indicating a willingness to go along with impeachment, and we all know (or should) that corruption is not restricted to party.
I believe this accusation has opened up a breach in the armor surrounding the establishment in Washington DC. The tendrils of such an investigation could conceivably reach all the way back to Obama and Clinton. If I am right, no wonder people are so scared!
Joe Biden's actions in the Ukraine should be investigated. If I am wrong, I am wrong and he has nothing to hide. But if I am right... this could be the biggest scandal to ever hit the US government. We just spent almost three years investigating a sitting President because someone incorrectly thought he colluded with Russia... there seems to be more here than there was there.
originally posted by: contextual
trumps still hiding his taxes, where is the outrage and thread after thread demanding an investigation?
A conspiracy forum where the president can do no wrong? How times have changed.
Why do they care so much about his taxes?