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Ukraine Transcript - Viewed Through Partisan Lens

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posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: grey580

So is there any circumstance that would allow for the President, in this situation, to ask for proper attention to this incident that wouldn't result in it being construed as wrong?

I would think it's always appropriate for a President to have alleged wrong doing looked into, especially if it involves the black mailing of an ally. Under that same logic President Obama should also be in real trouble for the entire investigation into his then political rival President Trump.

Regardless of how we decide to move forward, letting this type of behavior slide and set precedent for the future, or condemn and prosecute also setting precedent, we absolutely must stop allowing for double standards to be held within our government and political system. This alone is what is causing the most detrimental damage to relations with our own fellow citizens here in the US.

edit on 25-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Because

edit on 25-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Because




posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:33 PM
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Democrats in disarray - again.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Sure if Ukraine had been aware that he had put a hold on the aid.
But according to Ukraine they where not aware of the hold until a month after the phone call happened. You need to make sure your getting the full story. Both sides of the media want to mislead us to a degree on this. All signs point to this being a nothing burger for Trump, and possibly orchestrated by him in the first place, but detrimental for Biden.
I wouldn't have voted for Biden personally anyways, my actual choice doesn't have a shot at the primary but hey maybe if enough of the establishment candidates get taken down because they can't help but follow the carrot Trump holds out than maybe that will change

edit on 25-9-2019 by HonorablyTainted because: Flow



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.

How about the Ukrainian presidents interview today?
You know the one in which he said there was NO PRESSURE?
How about that one
The witness himself disagrees with you.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.

How about the Ukrainian presidents interview today?
You know the one in which he said there was NO PRESSURE?
How about that one
The witness himself disagrees with you.


yeah, how wierd, just like the Kavanaugh witness last week

Huh!



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: thedigirati

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.

How about the Ukrainian presidents interview today?
You know the one in which he said there was NO PRESSURE?
How about that one
The witness himself disagrees with you.


yeah, how wierd, just like the Kavanaugh witness last week

Huh!

To be fair that one is not in the usa so all the facts may not be available there.
Or witness testimony may mean something different there.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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Anybody know if this Treaty 106-16 has been "repealed" ? 😎

Treaty 106-16 (Ukraine)



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 07:22 PM
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Republican Version - Trump was only pursuing the legal investigation into the illegal investigation turned witch hunt based upon the Russian Collusion narrative fabricated by the Hilary campaign and a complicit media. This transcript exonerates the President entirely of any wrong doing.

Democrat Version - Trump must be impeached, he obviously was pressuring the Ukranian government into investigating a political rival to help himself in the 2020 presidential election.


Makes you wonder how anyone can take any of this seriously.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.

How about the Ukrainian presidents interview today?
You know the one in which he said there was NO PRESSURE?
How about that one
The witness himself disagrees with you.


He's clearly deathly afraid of the president; like many people in an abusive relationship they keep going back to their abuser, defend their abuser.

I think Congress should try and get a court appointed psychologist to speak to the President of the Ukraine. Maybe get the pore man on tape showing where the bad trump touched him.
edit on 25-9-2019 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: HonorablyTainted

The problem is that Trump did this in an election year. So the timing is bad.

Trump was never Obama's rival. He was Hillary's. If Obama investigated Trump and then passed the information along to hillary with the express reason to damage Trumps reputation. Then that's a different story and would garnered an investigation.

I agree that we need to apply the laws evenly.



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: HonorablyTainted
a reply to: chr0naut

Sure if Ukraine had been aware that he had put a hold on the aid.
But according to Ukraine they where not aware of the hold until a month after the phone call happened. You need to make sure your getting the full story. Both sides of the media want to mislead us to a degree on this. All signs point to this being a nothing burger for Trump, and possibly orchestrated by him in the first place, but detrimental for Biden.
I wouldn't have voted for Biden personally anyways, my actual choice doesn't have a shot at the primary but hey maybe if enough of the establishment candidates get taken down because they can't help but follow the carrot Trump holds out than maybe that will change



Just a few, check the dates in the byline:

Trump holds up Ukraine military aid meant to confront Russia - Politico

Trump reviews Ukraine aid to ensure it’s being used in US’ interests – report - RT

Military ammunition sale to Ukraine faces year-long delay - Yahoo! News

Trump’s Defense Cuts in Europe Will Backfire - ForeignPolicy.com

RUSSIAN OFFICIAL PRAISES TRUMP FOR DELAYING MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE, ARGUES AMERICANS CARE ABOUT 'OWN WELLBEING,' NOT 'HEGEMONIC AMBITIONS' - Newsweek



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

And since he didn’t do the wrong thing or break any law whatsoever, he has no need to point to anyone

Totally exonerated, again.

What a surprise


Well, Trump did cut the arms trading with the Ukraine days before the 'phone call.

And this was a sort of begging call to restore the armament supplies.

And in the call Trump suggested that he would restore the arms trade if the Ukranian President would re-open investigation into Biden's son's business activities in the Ukraine.

I mean, if you only had the phone call to go on, then Trump did noting wrong. The thing is, this happened as a part of a sequence of events that throw a different light onto the call's content, purpose and effect.

How about the Ukrainian presidents interview today?
You know the one in which he said there was NO PRESSURE?
How about that one
The witness himself disagrees with you.


If there was pressure then, why would it be less today? They desperately need the US and will do what is required in their defense.

They need the weapons to oppose Russia. No weapons and they, and their national sovereignty, are goners.

No pressure.


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posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

How DARE the President of the United States take steps to insure foreign aid money is used properly and free from localized corruption !!

How DARE He !! 😡




posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

How DARE the President of the United States take steps to insure foreign aid money is used properly and free from localized corruption !!

How DARE He !! 😡




Um, he was withholding the money (arms sales).

And wanted an investigation into something that was not a national concern (it was quite specifically personal to him and his campaign), in return.

That would be using government money, for his own personal interests, wouldn't it (like gutting the military budget to pay for his vanity wall)?



edit on 25/9/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Potentially peddling influence followed by forceful suppression of potential corruption is of natonal concern to this citizen.

Then consider the screams are from the same people that continually laude Biden's higer poll numbers and being those who are also resposible for them.


edit on 9/25/2019 by TheLead because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: chr0naut

Potentially peddling influence followed by forceful suppression of potential corruption is of natonal concern to this citizen.

Then consider the screams are from the same people that continually laude Biden's higer poll numbers and being those who are also resposible for them.


Yes, but you are probably on his side.




posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

How DARE He protect U.S. Interests


How DARE He !! 😮




posted on Sep, 25 2019 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

How DARE He protect U.S. Interests


How DARE He !! 😮




Are you saying Hunter Biden isn't an American?



edit on 25/9/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 26 2019 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

How DARE He protect U.S. Interests


How DARE He !! 😮




Are you saying Hunter Biden isn't an American?




He's an American taking huge piles of cash from a foreign company whilst his dad allegedy used his political influence to protect him from investigation.

I think the norm now would be to appoint a Special Counsel to look into the corruption. I am sure you'd be for that. right? Best we get to the bottom of it. If Biden has nothing to hide then he has nothing to fear.




edit on 26/9/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)




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