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originally posted by: Kalamitous
As I've said before, puberty suppression and the treatment of transgender children is a complex issue and varies on a case-by-case basis. Do I think all kids claiming to be trans should be automatically put on blockers? Absolutely not and only after thorough evaluation and diagnosis by a qualified team of multidisciplinary medical professionals and only in rare cases and usually as a measure of last resort when all indicators are completely taken into consideration.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
For a 7 year-old to suggest they are sexually wrong is an adult thought not a kid's at that age.
originally written by me:
…As a child begins to distinguish in others that there are boys and girls and that things are masculine and feminine, typically between 18 and 24 months of age, most are usually able to categorize their own gender by age 3. By about age 4, most children understand that their gender is fixed and that they will be male or female when they are older and between 5 and 6, most children are rigid about gender stereotypes and preferences and understand that cosmetic changes, for example girls that wear pants are still female and that if a boy wore a dress, he would still be a boy.
Young children suffering with extreme gender dysphoria have a profound, fundamental and painful awareness that they are not the gender they are supposed to be and they commonly begin to verbalized it around age 3 as their language skills and their understanding of their own gender develop because it is so important to them and extremely distressing so indeed, many children at that age will say things like I am a girl, not a boy with great conviction and heartfelt sincerity and this is not the same as make believe being a tiger, ninja turtle or Scooby-doo . Whether we are male or female is one of the earliest and most important foundational cornerstones of personality and identity and for 99.999% of people, what we understand ourselves to be is congruent with our biological sex and is something that we never question.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
ANY monkeying around with kids using drugs that are not there to only save their life's is playing Russian Roulette,
…we know they still go through depression the rest of their life and most find out years later what they did was wrong and they should have just accepted their bodies for what they are.
But society has been telling girls and women all along that they are just not good enough hence the physical alteration surgeries, suicides, addiction, etc. I don't see you threading about that, nor even the new scourge of e-cigs (vaping) harming kids? Some would think that you are obsessed with this topic alone.
Take a look at death among children stats in the article below...suicide may be the alternative to not getting medical/psychological intervention.
This whole thread seems to be insinuating these children are victims of the medical community and their parents.
originally posted by: BenutzerUnbekannt
a reply to: Boadicea
Hardcore believers in Darwin's theory of natural selection may think this is a good thing. As the population swells, weak and pathetic specimens are more likely to die without reproducing (by being pumped with developmental retardation drugs at the behest of mentally/morally stunted parents).
Not saying I agree with this, but it's worth considering. Certainly I would prefer not to live in a world with the offspring of people who think there are more than two sexes (or "genders" as these fruitloops would say).
Without mentioning that 50% of transgender youth will attempt suicide before the age of 20 with rates even higher in unsupportive homes, I’ll give you that the puberty blocking drugs we’re talking about here may or may not be life saving...
...BUT, for the properly selected candidates they can greatly improve the quality of their lives as adults without having to overcome the physical changes of unwanted natal puberty in spite of the risks there may be.
originally posted by: thegeneraldisarray
Hi Boadicea nice to see you; always enjoy reading your posts.
Been doing some reading up on trans activists. Here's some info on just a few:
If you want more information I can dig up links on all of these folks/orgs and have all day to do so.
I don't think the proponents of this abuse would like that very much.
Begin the screeches of TERF and demands that I go # myself with (insert painful phallic item here). Funny how these men devolve into insults and wishes of penetrative pain on natal women who disagree with their delusions. Quite manly of them.
Oh and don't forget about the attempts to shut down rape crisis centers that don't allow trans men in their spaces. Or shelters. Or shaking down prisons so they can reside with the women after being proven a violent sex offender.
originally posted by: ketsuko
And that's leaving aside the danger to women's sports and athletics, an issue near and dear to my heart. There are very real structural and genetic differences no amount of hormonal imbalancing can change.
When every man can be a woman, there are no actual women left.
originally posted by: Kalamitous
You know, I really don't disagree with most of the things said about the trans activists and the "trans movement" in general but what concerns me and why I mentioned broad brush strokes is threads like these stoked with every last bit of gender critical ideology paint a very bad picture to the general public and those unfamiliar with the depths of these arguments and how things come across is that trans people are all predacious and bad and out to destroy the fabric of society and take away women's rights, autonomy and private spaces, etc.
I too do not disagree with some of the things said about radicals here or for any cause, and in this case, the rare predacious transwoman that is actually a male predator who has found a way to exercise his dysfunction, or the transwoman or transman athlete who has an advantage. And it may well be that the medical professionals trying to help transpeople are learning by trial and error, but the alternative to not helping them could be them attempting suicide.
Know this 57% of athletes (anon survey of 1,000 world-class athletes) admitted to using performance enhanced drugs, transwomen using public, business or school washrooms is a non-issue as per a recent study.
“Opponents of public accommodations laws that include gender identity protections often claim that the laws leave women and children vulnerable to attack in public restrooms,” said lead author Amira Hasenbush. “But this study provides evidence that these incidents are rare and unrelated to the laws.” www.nbcnews.com...
The biased and unbalanced way this is presented here really isn't fair to the majority of silent trans folks, especially young people that just want to fly under the radar and blend quietly and graciously into the world as average everyday men and women and get on with their lives. It isn't hard to see why this pisses some trans people off, inspires them to respond with resentment or triggers the narcissistic rage of the autogynephiles and using slurs like tranny is unappreciated and is as equally as disrespectful to them as when they call you TERFs and none of this goes very far toward getting or giving a little respect to one another without all out war ensuing that some here have taken up flag to fight on an unequal playing field.
Occasional caveats and gratuitous mention of understanding for those classically having gender dysphoria or in unstated Blanchardian terms, the HSTSs while knowing full well that this demographic is made up primarily of early transitioners such as adolescents, teenagers and young adults in their early 20’s but yet you berate trans children and their parents for the temerity of seeking the very medical interventions that facilitate their ability to blend in and have reasonably normal lives so it isn’t hard for even me to see your tirades on the sanctity of born woman womanhood comes across as erasure of all manner of transgender folks and quite honestly, it doesn’t look good and it isn’t quite fair to them.
If you really care about women and girls, you should be more concerned about why the traditional numbers have flipped and girls are now seeking the services of gender clinics at a 4:1 ratio to the boys when historically it has always been the opposite or why those claiming non-binary identities or some other 97 gender are also 80% to 90% girls. What have we done to our daughters or what kind of world have we created to drive them to this should be a more pressing issue and is more important to me than worrying about the occasional outspoken AGP doing stupid snit or waving their hands in the air and making noise.
Girls just wanna have fun, but society won't let them seems to be alive and well even today. I was always that girl that wanted to get muddy and play rough outdoors, yet I can embrace both worlds...but that should have been my choice and my choice only but perhaps teenagers today might benefit with guidance and advice from non-biased people (which there were none back in my day and so appears to the the case even today).
" But separating dissatisfaction with the social constraints of gender from body dysphoria is vital. Because we have smudged together the categories of “transsexual” and “transgender”, is every youngster who questions their gender – and, frankly, every youngster should, because gender is restrictive bollocks – getting the message that they must bind their breasts or tuck their penis? I wince when I read oh-so-liberal parents explaining that they knew their toddler son was a girl when he wore pink and played with Barbies. Is there really anything so wrong with being a boy who wants to dress up as Elsa from Frozen? Or a girl who would rather be outside getting muddy than wear skirts and be “ladylike”? Toys and children’s clothes are becoming more gendered: when I was young, we played with Lego – not “Lego” and “Lego for Girls”. As we have shrunk the boxes, is it any wonder that more and more children want to escape from them?" www.newstatesman.com...
Yeah, there are some bad actors out there but don’t be so self-righteous as to think that your crap and your trans doom porn doesn’t stink a little too or that you are any less on the fringe of radical activism because like the trans activists, you don’t represent the majority.
originally posted by: Pointofview
I'm not religious at all, but if I was, this whole thing is so disturbing, sad and absurd that I'd totally see it as a sign of the coming end times.
originally posted by: Boadicea
FYI: It's considered good form to actually use the reply button when you are speaking directly to another poster... and at least giving them a heads up.
Especially when talking trash.
I get it. You don't like me.
You don't want me talking about the very ugly and vile underbelly of the entire Transactivist Agenda.
All the while, you have shown absolutely no regard or respect or compassion for the very people who are threatened in various ways -- Women, girls and children.
But I'm not the one using broad strokes here. I have made very clear distinctions and specified the exact players and actions which are unacceptable and unconscionable.
... As you not quite admit, the vast majority have serious mental and emotional issues to deal with -- beyond any gender dysphoria or autogynephilia.
It is the Trans Activists and the AGPs who are making unrealistic and unreasonable demands upon the rest of us, and attacking and violating the safety, privacy, and rights of women, girls and children.
In the meantime, women, girls and all children are being put in harm's way in many many ways.
I have higher standards and purposes.