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originally posted by: neo96
Pelosi Just Did It
Whats the difference than Team (C) Linton hiring a british 'ex' spy and what Trump supposedly did?
You mean apart form him being the President of the United States and using congressional appropriated Military Assistance funds as extortion money to demand campaign assistance from a foreign government?
originally posted by: links234
a reply to: missed_gear
Have some light reading, on me:
A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.
It's entirely about the political will to impeach and always has been. That is the process. Is the lower house willing to impeach? If so, is the upper house willing to remove? That is the entire process.
Pelosi could hold a vote tomorrow on impeachment. Or they can have investigations or hearings or do nothing. It's up to the lower house to decide when and how they go about the process.
Passions will be inflamed because it is public men that are the subjects of impeachments and the prosecution of them will incite the whole community and divide it into parties more or less friendly to the accused. There is a danger that a decision will be based more on the strength of the parties than the guilt or innocence of the accused. This danger would be apparent if the body making up the court was elected periodically and thus more likely to be biased in their judgment particularly if it is the leaders of the parties that are the subjects.
Nazar Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko's office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks. "We were able to start this case again," Kholodnytskyi said.
originally posted by: Extorris
originally posted by: shooterbrody
how did that transcript work our for you?
It actually made me feel a little ill reading a US President asking the Ukrainian President to go after the IT Security Firm (Crowdstrike) and one of it's founders that were responsible for proving that Russia was behind the election interference?
Then to ask him to investigate Joe Biden, describe the former prosecutor that the entire world agreed was corrupt as a "A very good guy" etc. etc.
Over and over telling him to get on the phone with his personal attorney Giuliani?
The Biden stuff is clear Abuse of Power, but asking the Ukrainian President to go after Crowdstrike? That is like Vladimir Putin speaking directly, bizarre and needs answers immediately.
Lastly the call lasted 30 minutes? Wow has this "Memo" been abbreviated.
CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a
discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place.
If this is the best version of a "Memo" they can offer and it is still this damning, there is serious problems ahead for the WH.