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Islam is Right About Women

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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Zelun
a reply to: Nothin

If I didn't answer that question fully enough for your liking in the last two paragraphs, let me know, but please clarify your question.

My assertion is that strength is a virtue and not something to be ashamed of, not that 'might makes right.' Diplomacy doesn't work without violence, or the threat of violence, and violence isn't restricted to physical violence, it could be economic, psychological, social, etc... Violence nonetheless.




Do you treat your relationships in the same way ?


Staggering isn’t it, in the same society, between husbands and wives, mothers and sons and dads and daughters she thinks women have the intestinal fortitude and strength to harm their own kind, their loved ones

It’s unlike the civil war where the north fought the south, she is talking family members against family members and thinks that is normal
It’s insanity


What is staggering is your lack of reading comprehension. Also staggering is your cowardice. Further even more staggering is your assumptions regarding the intestinal fortitude of women.

But by all means, keep hanging yourself. We all love reading it.




posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: Zelun

Thank you for that eloquent answer.


And to be honest I did get it was a catch22 but here's the thing I don't understand and why I was questioning the brilliance of the statement...

To assume that not agreeing with the statement you are by definition islamophobic you first have to take the leap of assuming everybody on the "left" is the same.

It is as if somebody drew a line in the sand and said "if you are not with us, you're against us". The polarisation has been driven to a point that if you do not support Trump than you must think that all muslim culture is good, women should have more right than men, abortion is as normal as blowing your nose and what have you not...

I can not understand how tolerating something becomes agreeing with something. I personally don't agree with how Islam sees the treatment of women but it's not my culture or religion.

I would think that the group of people who would get a mental breakdown from this note is marginal at best and by posting it on a streetsign you are mainly going to reach people who react to the quote in the only logical way you could expect and denounce it.

It seems like a rather childish action and I guess that's where the brilliance got lost on me.

Peace



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 02:06 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Putting up signs is free speech. so is taking them down.


True. I'd go further by saying "obscuring traffic signs is vandalism."

Vandalism is a serious crime. Do you even know who the Vandals were? Well, let me tell you, the were bad hombres. I'd encourage everyone to stop this Vandal threat before it gets out of hand! I swear if I get a parking ticket because I couldn't see the posted hours, I'm going to take these pictures I took of the sign and show it to the traffic court. That way it's on the public record. These rotten, incel, spoiled, rotten, incel, terrorist, white, bread, whitebread, milquetoast, rotten, little agitators. Agitators! Duke! Right?! David Duke!(did I do that right?) David Duke probably PAID them in Coinpieces! And Alex Jones uses his PeRsOnAl LaSeRpRiNtEr to make this filthy filth.

[stroke commences]



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 02:22 AM
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a reply to: operation mindcrime

I'm glad you found my take on it useful, and I appreciate your kind words.

There's another aspect to this that I think I should mention. If you watch the first video in the OP (not the second one, that one I found annoying in its smugness) you'll notice that the lady took down the sign, not because she had a particular feeling on the matter, but because she was worried about other people being upset by it, and repeatedly referenced "these days" or "times like these" as a reason to remove the sign. As if taking down the sign was a service to her local community, but virtue signaling on a news camera was somehow better? As if any speech regarding Islam, even speech in support of it, is problematic, I think that is the biggest win the person who posted the sign could have expected. It highlights how people are afraid to talk about Islam.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 03:06 AM
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a reply to: Zelun

Nothing to reference it is was just a vibe, thats why i asked, but from your answer clearly i was jumping to the wrong conclusions.
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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 03:19 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

K. Thanks for checking in.

I think you should listen to your instincts, and challenge people who set off your alarm bells. This is why I've been giving this other poster so much grief. They have been expressing stupid ideas, at least in my reckoning.

Nice talking to you!



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 03:38 AM
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a reply to: Zelun

Cheers and nice talking to you as well, I would have replied earlier but I snuck out for some delicious Thai food.

It's difficult having a conversation with religious folk they for the most part already have their minds made up and will not budge an inch, I have the same issue trying to have a conversation with hard core right wingers for the same reasons, well that and I'm a lefty libtard.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 03:41 AM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: stosh64

So I guess this is just the latest right-wing circle jerk to go viral then?

Guess ya'll post away ranting on about how the "left" are melting down over this. Meanwhile no one else actually gives a s#... cause it was just a random sign in some random place that doesn't actually make much sense to begin with.


I’m pretty right wing. Certainly Conservative. But I completely agree.

It’s total low level behaviour using a simplistic argument that’s been around for years. Whoever made the poster was obviously young and only just learning about ‘things’.

That guy in the video who managed 6 minutes without jizzing himself, with loads of Str Wars crap in the background. Hahah. What has the world come to?

Very, very, low quality trolling.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 03:57 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

aw c'mon. Being Progressive is a good thing, and being Conservative is also a good thing! It's the socioeconomic version of that tug-of-war we talked about earlier! We constantly need progressive ideas, and young people tend to come up with great new ideas, but we also need conservative people to sort of man the tiller, using historical knowledge to recognize trends.

My grandfather was a mechanical engineer, and my least favorite criticism from him was that I was trying to reinvent the wheel. See I had TONS of ideas for better ways to do things. EVERY time he'd point out that actually my idea wasn't unique I'd feel personally defeated because I hadn't actually come up with a new idea. His wisdom was to keep encouraging me to keep trying. To "get back on the horse" as he'd say. He also said that when that bitch Dolly bucked me intentionally onto the gravel driveway. That time he had to tell me to quit blubbering though. And it was all I could do to trust that animal again. But it worked. She never f'd with me again.

Point is, there's an ebb and flow to progress, but it generally moves forward. This whole right vs left, or progressive vs/ conservative thing is largely illusion, made largely profitable within the last couple decades by click-based-advertising.

You do need to worry about certain extremes, like fascism and communism, socialism to a certain degree, and definitely Scientology. That guy was a drug addict that made a religion on a bet, and funded his new religion with book sales. At least the Gideons don't charge for their bibles. Not directly. Just pay the nightly fare at the motel and BAM free bible!



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:03 AM
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a reply to: and14263

I gotta know, old-timer: what would you consider high quality trolling?



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: Zelun

Your grandfather sounds like a wise man and it seems that wisdom has been passed on.

I see your point and I never looked at it that way but yeah that makes sense and the advertising has no doubt polarised both sides, I reckon we can thank Edward bernaise for much of these current trends.

Personally I dont worry too much about the extremes, I've said it before as far as I'm concerned they can just take each other out and I will stay out of it waiting patiently, even though I'm told I have to pick a side I refuse to.

I can't think of how many hotels I've stayed in and never actually taken one of those bibles.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: Zelun
a reply to: and14263

I gotta know, old-timer: what would you consider high quality trolling?

I’ll give you an example of a good troll. How the right have been trolled into thinking the majority of leftists are screaming freaks who cannot form their own argument or analyse a religion and how it treats women. The media, YouTube and 4Chan has trolled themselves into their own little bubble of superiority

Like I say, I’m very right wing. But not stupidised into this ridiculous bubble of self perpetual fullfillment which the online right have got caught up into.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:24 AM
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a reply to: and14263

That's not a troll, that's supposition. Is Islam wrong about women?c



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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Well, I'll weigh in on whether the sign is "brilliant" or not.

First, the fact that simple paper signs taped to street signs and telephone poles has garnered as much attention as it has is certainly notable. Five simple words printed on a white sheet of paper have captivated numerous MSM outlets and inflamed untold millions of people. This is also notable.

Secondly, the message is quite clever in itself. The target audience, the liberal left, can neither agree with the message, nor disagree with the message on principle...and this drives them crazy. If they agree, they conflict with their equality ideology (all people are equal). If they disagree, they conflict with their equality ideology (all religions are welcome). Consequently, this question cannot be allowed to exist (in their minds), it is a paradox which simply cannot be responded to and it must be removed entirely. It is a significant wrinkle in their ideological existence and it must be erased from all space and time.

Thirdly, the message plays into two powerful and outspoken groups, women's rights and religious freedom (not to mention things like freedom of speech, etc.) And, whoever created it knew this. However, because there can be no response, no final answer, neither can there be satisfactory closure for any of those concerned.

For my part, I don't know about "brilliant", certainly very clever. Einstein was brilliant (likely the most brilliant of our time, and likely for a long time to come). This message was brilliant in a different way, perhaps from a different angle, like seeing the white light refracted through a prism and fanning out the different wavelengths of the spectrum. At its very most base construct it is a statement of almost pure logic...(Religion) is right about (gender)...or...Theological constructs are right about sociological behavior.

Interesting.

So, you be the judge...was the message 'brilliant' or not?
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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Your second point:


Secondly, the message is quite clever in itself. The target audience, the liberal left, can neither agree with the message, nor disagree with the message on principle...and this drives them crazy. If they agree, they conflict with their equality (all people are equal) ideology. If they disagree, they conflict equality (all religions are welcome) ideology. Consequently, this question cannot be allowed to exist (in their minds), it is a paradox which simply cannot be allowed to exist and it must be removed entirely. It is a significant wrinkle in their ideological existence and it must be erased from all space and time.


Falls into the trap of assuming all leftists are unable to think critically. It’s back into the
self fulfilling bubble where leftists are stupid and the right are superior.

Its not a healthy place to be, algorithms make it worse.



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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: and14263

Well, normally I would agree on your point. However, in this case, who were the hundreds of faces paraded across the screens of the MSM? They certainly weren't conservatives.

Consequently, I disagree.

Just the same, we could remove liberal/conservative from the discussion entirely, and nothing would change. Even more food for thought.

ETA - BTW did you mean "allegory" or "analogy"? "Algorithm" has an interesting connotation in that context!

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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Einstein was a hack. Probably stole his ideas while was employed as a patent clerk. You know, that job where you decide whether people's idea's are original, then putting a number on them? Whoops, dropped a number.

Okay, trolling aside, I'm reserving comment. I think this troll is very smart. It has a direct message and hits one of my personal beefs, one of which being the inscrutability of Islam, and another being the treatment of women under Islam. It's scrunched into five words, which is terribly efficient. It's expressed as vandalism upon a parking sign, though the content of said parking sign is unobscured, and the lady who removed it from said sign cited not wanting others in the community being made to feel uncomfortable by the phrase "Islam is right about women." She testified to this in an interview with the local news crew.

This is a textbook troll. It is perfectly conceived, constructed, and implemented. Every facet is perfect, including the tape used to affix it to the bottom of the parking sign leaving no residue. Masterful. 10/10.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 05:03 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I am pretty sure there will be a couple of people on the left that can denounce the quote "Islam is right about women" without feeling like an islamophobe.

Can you outline this leap of logic for me because I can't follow it. Being tolerant of something doesn't automatically mean you agree with something...or has that been changed?

Peace



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 05:05 AM
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a reply to: Zelun

Einstein was a HACK???? LOLOLOLOLOL!! Surely you must be kidding! (I certainly hope you are!). Yeah, I'm sure a whole bunch of people submitted the Special and General Theories of Relativity to the patent office and ol' Al just stole 'em! LOLOLOL!! I haven't chuckled that hard for a while! (thanks for that).

Back to the topic...

I agree.

P.S. - I liked the part about the tape! Nice touch.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Algorithm.

Algorithms online create a bubble of self-fullfillment. Which makes people believe things which are disproportionate. It’s the same as when the media only shows you screaming or delusional leftists. It makes the right think that they are all like this.

There are plenty on the left who are not ‘spun out’ by Islam and are in fact anti-Islam. That knowledge doesn’t help divide and control the masses or increase advertising revenue though does it.



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