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Skeptics Have Provided No Proof To Support Their Belief That Aliens Are Not Visiting Us

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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: ausername
How could skeptics present any hard, irrefutable evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that aliens aren't visiting us, when there is no hard, irrefutable evidence that "aliens" are visiting us?

As I said...there is much more evidence that aliens are visiting us than evidence that they are not.

Uh , no.
Just no.
Hail to the no.
Want proof ?
E=MC^2

edit on 9/20/19 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: MissSmartypants

There is no "hard, irrefutable evidence" that would prove beyond a doubt that extraterrestrial aliens are visiting us.

I've looked for it, there isn't any anywhere. Did I miss it somewhere?




posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: schuyler
Skeptics certainly have not availed themselves of all the evidence, and their denial of aliens is not at all believable, but I have to side with them on this one. They don't have to prove anything. The onus is upon believers to do the proving. Sorry, but that's how it works.
As Michio Kaku stated recently...at this point it's up to the government to prove they aren't aliens. It's just gotten a little too real around here.


You quote Michio Kaku? You don't speak his language, no one does except those in his academic milieu. Being a physicist only gives you a foreign language to the rest of us. He doesn't know anything to allow him to voice what he has no idea of. I find him boring and as I told him a few years back "I have no idea what you're talking talking about but it sounds good"! He had a good laugh. He's not a quotable source about UFOlogy. The government(s) don't have to prove anything because, mainly, they don't know anything.
u Can you provide some actual proof to back up your claim as to what is known and what isn't? And by whom? I've read Hyperspace by Mr. Kaku and it was not over my head. You have no idea what the depth and scope of my understanding is or isn't. Saying it in an arrogant manner does not make it so.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
How could skeptics present any hard, irrefutable evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that aliens aren't visiting us, when there is no hard, irrefutable evidence that "aliens" are visiting us?



Your perfect answer is why believers are not contributors to common sense; they lack logic which, I'm glad, you do not.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
There is no onus on anything. Believe what you want. I'm telling you THEY ARE HERE. If you do not want to believe it, don't.
Yes. They are here. And that should be the starting point of any intelligent discussion on the matter.


In order to have an intelligent discussion the participants have to be intelligent. You and many others here are not invited!



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: ausername
How could skeptics present any hard, irrefutable evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that aliens aren't visiting us, when there is no hard, irrefutable evidence that "aliens" are visiting us?



Your perfect answer is why believers are not contributors to common sense; they lack logic which, I'm glad, you do not.
Which ever side of the fence you are on ...no proof is no proof. And an assertion based on no proof is an unverified belief. You, my friend, suffer from unverified beliefs and apparently you have no intention of suffering alone.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift
Well, if a skeptic makes a claim that "that UFO is nothing but an old percolator top hanging from a string," it should be up to them to provide a photo and a make and model of the old percolator that specifically matches it. But that's somebody claiming something specific. If they fail to find the exact percolator that matches, all they've done is lob the ball back into the court of the claimant to prove it's "alien" or whatever, rather than simply unidentified. Proof is the responsibility of the claimant.


It's easy for some skeptics to do just that. Except in the case of "Billy" Meier where it was shown that his model Beamships were constructed from a lid and a person is shown holding such a lid which matched details seen on Meier's model.

When claims are made which are not supported by irrefutable evidence it is easy for anyone to disprove, not just skeptics. Ask any criminal lawyer.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: MissSmartypants

This thread really isn't going very well and shows some lack of forethought before posting.

Can you prove you've never murdered anybody?

Or prove that you aren't secretly working with the North Korean Government to take over the world?

Or can you prove that you've never been to Mars?


This isn't how the world works.....Otherwise we'd spend all our time in court proving what we haven't done rather than getting on with what we should be doing.....






edit on 20/9/2019 by mirageman because: you can't prove it...



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
There is no onus on anything. Believe what you want. I'm telling you THEY ARE HERE. If you do not want to believe it, don't.
Yes. They are here. And that should be the starting point of any intelligent discussion on the matter.


In order to have an intelligent discussion the participants have to be intelligent. You and many others here are not invited!
Wow, you really told me.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Well, if a skeptic makes a claim that "that UFO is nothing but an old percolator top hanging from a string," it should be up to them to provide a photo and a make and model of the old percolator that specifically matches it. But that's somebody claiming something specific. If they fail to find the exact percolator that matches, all they've done is lob the ball back into the court of the claimant to prove it's "alien" or whatever, rather than simply unidentified. Proof is the responsibility of the claimant.


It's easy for some skeptics to do just that. Except in the case of "Billy" Meier where it was shown that his model Beamships were constructed from a lid and a person is shown holding such a lid which matched details seen on Meier's model.

When claims are made which are not supported by irrefutable evidence it is easy for anyone to disprove, not just skeptics. Ask any criminal lawyer.
Billy Meiers, Gulf Breeze. Are these ridiculous episodes in ufology the basis for your skepticism? Because a lot has happened since then. I'm not trying to be a mean...just trying to open your mind to possibilities a bit.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: ausername
How could skeptics present any hard, irrefutable evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that aliens aren't visiting us, when there is no hard, irrefutable evidence that "aliens" are visiting us?

As I said...there is much more evidence that aliens are visiting us than evidence that they are not.


Actually, no, there is not. The biggest flaw is your assumption that we are dealing with "aliens." There is definitely a "phenomenon" of some sort. The Navy videos prove that well enough. I would fault skeptics for dismissing then out of hand. But that someone took pictures of a "tic tac" UFO or a "Gimbal" or a flying triangle does not mean "aliens" at all. Not even a little bit. So you have to back up at least that far.

And Billy Meiers? No, just no. It would take longer than I m willing to spend here telling you what is wrong with Billy. We can start with his UFO Ray Gun, found to be a Chinese toy on e-Bay. Then there is "Semjase," who looks remarkably like an actress who appeared on the Donna Read show. Then there is his picture of a dinosaur, ripped out of a book that is still in print. The guy is a nutcase. Please don't use Billy as any sort of proof here. It just shows your ignorance.
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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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it's 50/50 insofar as tangible evidence for or against the ETH goes. pretty much comes down to one's belief.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
You know it's funny. Over the years I've spoken to quite a few of the skeptics, here and elsewhere and without a single exception I can assure you that they, more than most, desperately want to find that bit of evidence that is irrefutable and pristine.

Day in and day out some of these folks invest an unbelievable amount of time and personal expense toward analyzing pictures and videos to exclude the hoaxes and false positives.

They do this with the same passion for the subject that the folks who just come here and read probably have.

Sadly their work often is not only unappreciated, but actually used as grounds for insult.

Yeah... Some folks to simply pop in and say "Not real losers lulz" just as some others will argue that proven hoaxes are real.

Taking this sort of adversarial position on a topic that has no known definite answer helps neither side.


Well spoken, thanks. As an open-minded skeptic I'm a survivor. The less than intelligent gullible believers specialize in ad-hominem attacks and since they cannot fathom the joy of being a skeptic their only resource is not to seek enlightenment but to resort to childish insults thinking they're superior thinkers.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: MissSmartypants

This thread really isn't going very well and shows some lack of forethought before posting.

Can you prove you've never murdered anybody?

Or prove that you aren't secretly working with the North Korean Government to take over the world?

Or can you prove that you've never been to Mars?


This isn't how the world works.....Otherwise we'd spend all our time in court proving what we haven't done rather than getting on with what we should be doing.....





This thread is going just fine. Pretty much exactly as I expected.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: RoScoLaz5
it's 50/50 insofar as tangible evidence for or against the ETH goes. pretty much comes down to one's belief.
Exactly. So the civil thing to do is to respect each other and agree to disagree.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: ausername
How could skeptics present any hard, irrefutable evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that aliens aren't visiting us, when there is no hard, irrefutable evidence that "aliens" are visiting us?

As I said...there is much more evidence that aliens are visiting us than evidence that they are not.


Boy, have I got a star map to sell you! It was the previous property of the late Betty Hill. You can have it as cheap as your words. Please contact memer james1947.


edit on 20-9-2019 by Hunkadinka because: Add material.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Hefficide




desperately want to find that bit of evidence that is irrefutable and pristine.


With all respect, how can that ever be accomplished?

By stating that (irrefutable and pristine) you lost me. Video?, a witness, landing in a football stadion?, landing in front of kids? turning the sun green ?

irrefutable and pristine?





edit on 20-9-2019 by EartOccupant because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-9-2019 by EartOccupant because: Noise



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: schuyler
Skeptics certainly have not availed themselves of all the evidence, and their denial of aliens is not at all believable, but I have to side with them on this one. They don't have to prove anything. The onus is upon believers to do the proving. Sorry, but that's how it works.
As Michio Kaku stated recently...at this point it's up to the government to prove they aren't aliens. It's just gotten a little too real around here.


You quote Michio Kaku? You don't speak his language, no one does except those in his academic milieu. Being a physicist only gives you a foreign language to the rest of us. He doesn't know anything to allow him to voice what he has no idea of. I find him boring and as I told him a few years back "I have no idea what you're talking talking about but it sounds good"! He had a good laugh. He's not a quotable source about UFOlogy. The government(s) don't have to prove anything because, mainly, they don't know anything.
u Can you provide some actual proof to back up your claim as to what is known and what isn't? And by whom? I've read Hyperspace by Mr. Kaku and it was not over my head. You have no idea what the depth and scope of my understanding is or isn't. Saying it in an arrogant manner does not make it so.


Saying it in a non-arrogant manner will do it? Then consider it so. Shallow superscope!



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:54 PM
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I’m trying to help you skeptics out here.

I have an enormous advantage on you because I have seen their craft from fairly close range. I know it was a machine and not mad made. That means it was made by someone else. Somewhere else.

I was extremely lucky to have seen it. You have to be looking in the right spot at the right time. Because they do not make any noise and you would never know it was there otherwise.

Now I cannot show it to you, so all I can do is describe it to you. And that comes with the knowledge and certainty that indeed, They are here. They were here before we were born.

The question is not whether they are here or not – the question is - what are they doing?

If anyone wants an ONUS – That should be it.
It should be up to all of us to speculate WHY they are here.

Being all guesswork, it may not get us anywhere, but it would surely be better than stumbling over the first step over and over, of are they here?

Those of us who have seen evidence of them continually have to hold the hand of the rest of you to get you over that first step. If you want to believe in something, you can believe THAT is frustrating as all get out.

Just open up a second mind set. Tell yourself, “Okay, what if they are here.”

Then look at all the accumulated evidence and start thinking what if some of it is real.

Then piece it together and see where the story goes.

Those of us who have made that first step do not know all the answers; we have to piece together the puzzle too. Our advantage is that we have made that first step.

So skeptics – take the step – and tell us what you think ET is doing on Earth.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: Hunkadinka

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Well, if a skeptic makes a claim that "that UFO is nothing but an old percolator top hanging from a string," it should be up to them to provide a photo and a make and model of the old percolator that specifically matches it. But that's somebody claiming something specific. If they fail to find the exact percolator that matches, all they've done is lob the ball back into the court of the claimant to prove it's "alien" or whatever, rather than simply unidentified. Proof is the responsibility of the claimant.


It's easy for some skeptics to do just that. Except in the case of "Billy" Meier where it was shown that his model Beamships were constructed from a lid and a person is shown holding such a lid which matched details seen on Meier's model.

When claims are made which are not supported by irrefutable evidence it is easy for anyone to disprove, not just skeptics. Ask any criminal lawyer.
Billy Meiers, Gulf Breeze. Are these ridiculous episodes in ufology the basis for your skepticism? Because a lot has happened since then. I'm not trying to be a mean...just trying to open your mind to possibilities a bit.


I'm not trying to be mean either. But you exhibit a lack of common sense and logic. An example, or two: I didn't make any positive comment about Meier, I showed how he was outed as a hoaxer. Gulf Breeze? Do serious research including my positive comments in another current thread. You gotta be serious in order to be considered serious. So far, I can't take you serious and other members here are having the same problem with you (and other similar thinking members, of course).



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