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Whistle blower allegation proves dems, media corruption in Biden Ukraine story

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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




The standard is now as long as some other people don’t like an investigator, it’s ok for a government official to fire them or force them to be fired.


To be clear, the "people" of the Ukraine, the EU, the USA and other global communities were demanding Shokin's resignation due to corruption.


That is irrelevant

The people both democrat and republican were demanding comey be fired

Yet that didn’t stop a special prosecutor from being appointed

A bunch of people saying Shokin sucked is not justification for Biden having him removed when he was looking in to Biden’s son

By this standard, trump can now fire the New York ag as long as other people are demanding that ag be fired

It’s nonsense

And it ignores the prosecutor in Ukraine’s office says they have evidence Joe Biden exerted pressure to shut down the investigation into his sons company

Funny how that keeps getting ignored




posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Scepticaldem

You can be upset about politician's rich kids getting influence peddling jobs all you want. It doesn't justify the accusations that Trump tried to extort dirt on his political opponent by threatening to withhold tax payer funds designated for the Ukraine's defense against Russian aggression by the US Congress.


Fair enough, you have now answered that you do think it is ok.

That is now yours to own



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




That is irrelevant


LOL. Maybe to your narrative, but not to the overall picture, and the reason that the US wanted Shokin's resignation in the first place.

It's inconvenient to your narrative that Biden threatened the Ukraine to protect his own son.



By this standard, trump can now fire the New York ag as long as other people are demanding that ag be fired


LOL You and you're obsession with whataboutism!

Isn't that excuse that Trump used to fire Comey?



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Scepticaldem




Fair enough, you have now answered that you do think it is ok.


I don't know, are you okay with Jared Kushner's influence peddling job? Ivanka?



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Was their and independent counsel appointed after comey was fired?

And comey admittedly wasn’t even looking in to trump

Why is the standard different with Biden

And why are you again ignoring the Ukrainian prosecutors saying they have evidence Biden exerted influence to stop the investigation into his sons company

The fact you can gnome this shows you are partisan and don’t care about ending corruption



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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Joe Biden just lied about talking with his son about Burisma/Ukraine .



Asked on Saturday if he had spoken with his son about the business dealings in Ukraine, Biden said he had not.

Hunter Biden told the New Yorker earlier this year that he discussed Burisma with his father.

www.theepochtimes.com...

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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




And why are you again ignoring the Ukrainian prosecutors saying they have evidence Biden exerted influence to stop the investigation into his sons company


That's unsubstantiated opinion. There is no evidence that Biden's, and the rest of the global communities' involvement, was invested in protecting Joe Biden's son. The complaints about the prosecutor was were that he was refusing to investigate and prosecute people just like Biden's son.


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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler




And why are you again ignoring the Ukrainian prosecutors saying they have evidence Biden exerted influence to stop the investigation into his sons company


That's unsubstantiated opinion. There is no evidence that Biden's, and the rest of the global communities' involvement, was invested in protecting Joe Biden's son. The complaints about the prosecutor was were that he was refusing to investigate and prosecute people just like Biden's son.



Hahahaha!

So when prosecutors say they have evidence of Biden’s corruption that just an opinion and means nothing

But when you post people in Ukraine wanting Shokin fired, that’s the end all be all and proves Biden’s innocence


Absolutely pathetic



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

You keep saying that Biden's threat was personally motivated, when evidence and history says otherwise.

There is no evidence that Joe Biden's presence in the Ukraine, negotiating a guaranteed loan that required the resignation of a corrupt prosecutor, was motivated because of his son's position on a board of directors.


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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grambler

You keep saying that Biden's threat was personally motivated, when evidence and history says otherwise.

There is no evidence that Joe Biden's presence in the Ukraine, negotiating a guaranteed loan that required the resignation of a corrupt prosecutor, was motivated because of his son's position on a board of directors.



First, that’s not what the current Ukrainian prosecutors office is saying

They are saying there is evidence

Secondly, there should have been an investigation into Biden

When a conflict of interest is arising, and you are extorting a country with a billion dollars to fire the prosecutor that is at the head of the investigation into your sons company

You should be investigated to absolutely prove your conflict of interest has nothing to do with your extortion



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




First, that’s not what the current Ukrainian prosecutors office is saying

They are saying there is evidence


Evidence of what, then?



When a conflict of interest is arising, and you are extorting a country with a billion dollars to fire the prosecutor that is at the head of the investigation into your sons company


Then certainly, by all means, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump should be thoroughly investigated.

No matter how you muddy the waters, these accusations have no bearing on the suggestion that Trump tried to extort dirt on his political opponent, the former Vice President and current presidential candidate, from a foreign power by threatening to withhold needed military funds, meant to protect the Ukraine from Russian aggression.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

When did kushner or Ivan last threaten to withhold huge sums of money until prosecutors into their family were fired?

As to the evidence Ukraine has, that’s previsely what it’s being said trump did, tried to get that evidence

Because as these Ukrainian officials have stated in record, the ny ag office, the embassy in Kiev, and more have all stonewalled their attempts to get that evidence to us officials

So when they reach out to trump, the media and the Dems scream trump broke the law

That’s how insane this is



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




When did kushner or Ivan last threaten to withhold huge sums of money until prosecutors into their family were fired?


The Devil is in the details. The conflict of interest is obvious.



Because as these Ukrainian officials have stated in record, the ny ag office, the embassy in Kiev, and more have all stonewalled their attempts to get that evidence to us officials


From what I understand, they've turned all their evidence over to the US Department. So, where's the beef?



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

But roof they turned it over?

Because I have posted articles where they themselves say the don’t trust the fbi because they were corrupt, they weren’t granted visas to come give the evidence, the evidence wasn’t accepted by groups like the ny ag.

So they tried to get Rudy in touch with the Ukrainian President lawyer and talked to trump about it in the calls

And in fact they are considering setting up a parliamentary group to hand the evidence straight to the us congress


But I welcome your evidence disputing that



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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never forget:

The Whistle Blower Act does NOT apply to classified information.


You CANNOT divulge classified information and claim whistle blower status....well I guess you could try, but you would be doing it from a jail cell.
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posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

you obviously aren't capable of understanding that video. in it, Biden brags about forcing the Ukraine government to fire that prosecutor. He did so by threatening to with hold a billion dollars. That was the charge and he did exactly that, as charged. son of a bitch, he even bragged about it.

Peddle your fantasies elsewhere.
edit on 22-9-2019 by network dude because: bad spler



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

A bunch of people saying Shokin sucked is not justification for Biden having him removed when he was looking in to Biden’s son



And the fact that one of the shelved investigations Shokin had once looked into remotely involved Biden Jr. is no justification to allow a corrupt prosecutor to remain despite international calls for his firing.

Hell, the bigger scandal would have been if Joe Biden did not call for his removal despite the IMF, European Leaders and the USA calling for the same.

Geez, if we entertain your far-fetched and factually challenged scenario, why would Biden directly bribe the Prosecutor?

A good portion of the Prosecutors office at the time had already been busted with multiple stashes of raw diamonds hidden in their homes from corrupt pay-offs (One of many things Shoken refused to investigate).

You are proposing that instead of paying off the known corrupt prosecutor with his hand out, the Prosecutor was NOT prosecuting Oligarchs, Biden decided to make an international, world wide public affair of it and have the Prosecutor fired who was refusing to Prosecute Oligarchs like the one Biden Jr. was associated with???

Explain this one to me?

Shoken was a cheap, corrupt idiot who could have been bought for the price of dinner.



In one high-profile example, known in Ukraine as the case of the “diamond prosecutors,” troves of diamonds, cash and other valuables were found in the homes of two of Mr. Shokin’s subordinates, suggesting that they had been taking bribes.

But the case became bogged down, with no reasons given. When a department in Mr. Shokin’s office tried to bring it to trial, the prosecutors were fired or resigned. The perpetrators seemed destined to get off with claims that the stones were not worth very much.

www.nytimes.com...

Shokin was a crook. Everyone knew it.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:20 PM
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This is a lose lose for the Dems. First of all there is plenty of evidence in the public against Biden for an investigation. There was no evidence against Trump which was why they had to create a fake dossier and had spooks working for the CIA infiltrate Trump campaign.

Plus, this whistleblower who is most likely Susan Gorden will be in big trouble for spying on a presidential conversation without a fisa warrent.

However, she is quickly backtracking now and said she doesn't have first hand knowledge and heard this from the grapevine. Which will make it seem like another Trump hit job.

Also, this puts a huge spotlight on Biden and will pretty much imploid his campaign.

Either way Dems loose and this will further discredit the fakenews.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Yep. The Vice President of the United States and his envoy went to the Ukraine to negotiate a loan guarantee on behalf of the United States and the Obama Administration. Part of the deal was that the Ukraine had to fire Shokin.

The Ukrainian people were holding demonstrations in the streets, demanding his resignation. The UN passed some kind of resolution condemning Shokin. The EU wanted him out. The US wanted him out.

Biden is a braggadocios idiot. But the narrative that Biden personally and unilaterally bribed the Ukrainian government to fire Shokin to protect is son, Hunter, has been debunked.



posted on Sep, 22 2019 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

If it's corrupt that you seek then it's justifiable that Biden be fired as VP.



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