70 teens watched and filmed as one teen stabbed another

a reply to: JAGStorm

I agree with the borderline abuse thing as a lot of people got beat a bit harder than they needed to, to put it lightly. But I would rather the parents try and discipline the proper way than not try at all and end up being their kids b####

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Homefree

Yea sometimes people can be terrible. Cell phones or 30plus years ago. I believe we are getting better as a whole despite stories like this.

As old as I am, I can tell you with confidence that we are not getting better. I hate to say it but morality is at an all time low and we haven't hit bottom yet.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

We are living the mouse utopia experiment.
www.smithsonianmag.com...
I was impressed at how Jonathan Freedman hit the mark when he postulated that moral decay could arise “not from density, but from excessive social interaction,”

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: LSU2018

Not only that, but on the teacher front, I believe a lot of the teachers just don't give a # anymore which is a crying shame literally, because most kids are with their teachers more than their parents. It is the school's responsibility to not just instill the 'information' but also the humanizing aspects of a proper society of true respect, logic etc.

Then the teachers that DO care, are not actually subject matter specialists like they should be, they are 'educators' who are fully indoctrinated into SJW BS and not facts, and they care about the wrong things.

We don't want kids because we can't really afford them and were never really interested.

I disagree to a point. Parents today feel that it is the school's job to raise their kids, and that is wrong, very very wrong. My kids want to be an engineer and a dentist and they didn't get that drive from school. They lived and watched their dad, I also spent a good amount of time all the time just talking to them about the world, social norms, politics, current events etc.

I don't think some 26 year old school teacher is going to do better than me...lol

As for me I'm a moderate libertarian and also a constitutionalist and so I do not really want to liberal progressive views of my kid's teachers are to drive their direction.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

As old as I am, I can tell you with confidence that we are not getting better. I hate to say it but morality is at an all time low and we haven't hit bottom yet.

I'm not young either but isn't that what every gen says about gens past theirs. There is good and bad all the time as social norms constantly change. Tell me what is bad today that was better let's say 30 years ago?

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Homefree

Yea sometimes people can be terrible. Cell phones or 30plus years ago. I believe we are getting better as a whole despite stories like this.

As old as I am, I can tell you with confidence that we are not getting better. I hate to say it but morality is at an all time low and we haven't hit bottom yet.

All time low in all of history? You must not know history.... at all...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Exactly. Pros and cons about each generation.



Remember when the who sang this?

Why are people bringing guns to a knife discussion?
Not really a knife discussion but a discussion about how a whole crowd of people can stand around and not only watch, but film someone bleeding out and then dying.
Not one of them was willing to at least try to save this kid?
I know if my son was there that he would have tried to help and the only thing he would use his phone for would be to call for help.
We have taught our son to respect people, and if someone needs help that you do want you can to help.
I wonder if any of the people who watched this happen and did nothing will even think about it and think maybe I should have helped.
Or is it just another day because thay are desensitized to this kind of thing?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.npr.org...

An 18-year-old has been arrested and charged in the stabbing death this week in New York of Khaseen Morris, who died surrounded by a crowd of students taking cellphone video of the attack as he bled out on the ground.

How bad is our world, our youth, our parenting, that up to 70 people watched this teen stab a person to death? Not one soul felt the need to help.
This is like some sick Black mirror episode. They all popped out their cell phones and started filming. They watched this teen go from life to death right in front of them.

This is not unique. I watched another video a year or two ago. A student was being beaten by another student. The student wouldn't fight back, she just sat there getting punched and slapped over and over, not even trying to protect herself. People gathered around filming. My old mind couldn't even fathom what was going on. Why wouldn't she fight back, why wouldn't people help her?

Have we lost our humanity?

As others have pointed out, these are young people and there are many factors at play. But any one of us could find ourselves in a bystander position out of fear or for other reasons that might prevail. Also, there is no way to determine how a violent situation will develop and it looked as if this violent situation escalated very quickly.

The bystander effect is particularly pronounced in teens and young adults, said Debra A. Pinals, a clinical professor of psychiatry at the University of Michigan. "Adolescents are much more susceptible to peer influences," she told HuffPost. Pinals explained that the thought process for teens and young adults is more focused on impulsive, short-term decisions. That means if an 18-year-old witnesses a crime, they're less likely do to anything if others do not seem alarmed. "Generally, in adolescent and young adult thinking, some of that ability to pause, think and reflect is lessened," Pinals said.

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I would hope that schools implement bystander intervention training because kids need to learn the tools of how to act in certain situations.

Of course, individuals need to determine for themselves what level their intervention can take. For some, simply calling 911 may be as far as they can go. For others, like off-duty law enforcement personnel or citizens who have trained extensively in martial arts, their personal intervention can directly neutralize a threat or even end an attack altogether. And some skills can prevent deaths, if not stop crimes: after the explosions at the Boston Marathon, dozens of medical professionals on the scene applied life-saving tourniquets and performed triage. Whatever their skills, bystanders have an obligation to stand up for those under attack. Our free society depends on it.

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I don't think we have lost our humanity.

originally posted by: blueman12

Remember when the who sang this?

Ya, those crazy pot smoking hyppies of the 60s are like 70 now...lol

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: JAGStorm

If anyone wonders why it's not the guns just read the linked story.

The total lack of humanity in this crowd is what's wrong with the country today.

I was going to mention guns, but didn't, but that is a real and valid point. It's never been about the guns, it is the people.

It's a combination of technology, tv, pharmaceutical drugs, and weed that open up people to demonic influence.

It's a spiritual war we are in and thats 100% fact.

a reply to: LoneBird

It's a combination of technology, tv, pharmaceutical drugs, and weed that open up people to demonic influence. It's a spiritual war we are in and thats 100% fact.

Not sure about all of that but I do think there is a link to pharmaceutical drugs that people don't want to admit.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.npr.org...

An 18-year-old has been arrested and charged in the stabbing death this week in New York of Khaseen Morris, who died surrounded by a crowd of students taking cellphone video of the attack as he bled out on the ground.

How bad is our world, our youth, our parenting, that up to 70 people watched this teen stab a person to death? Not one soul felt the need to help.
This is like some sick Black mirror episode. They all popped out their cell phones and started filming. They watched this teen go from life to death right in front of them.

This is not unique. I watched another video a year or two ago. A student was being beaten by another student. The student wouldn't fight back, she just sat there getting punched and slapped over and over, not even trying to protect herself. People gathered around filming. My old mind couldn't even fathom what was going on. Why wouldn't she fight back, why wouldn't people help her?

Have we lost our humanity?

Its more like the people taking video will only amount to the likes they receive from being the first to post it.. most need some attention and that's the only way they seem to get it

This same thing just happened in my home town of Saint John, NB. During the kids lunch break in the uptown area mall, a 25 year old mentally ill man jumped from the 5th floor falling about a hundred feet to his death in the food court. The majority of the kids took out there cell phones to film the man dying on the ground. Very disgusting behavior. One girl who did not know what was happening thought the man twitching on the ground was a drug addicted uploaded the video stating how disgusting our city was with druggies passed out in the mall during the day.

Its a sad state to see the youth so desensitized with such low empathy.

Can't be a good parent these days with the way the education system is run. If you discipline your kids "the wrong way", the kids can run to the school counselor and tell em that, and you get CPS showing up at your door.

I think the story is stretching ...

Many people gather to watch a fight with 90% not wanting to be involved.

Within the Malay the kid got stabbed and no one even knew.

He was new to the school and was not well known so most people watching had no idea who he was.

Killer is a animal who will pay for his crime

I have no expectation of a teenager to jump in and act heroic in this situation. Grown man, different story. Teenager? No expectation.

originally posted by: toysforadults
I have no expectation of a teenager to jump in and act heroic in this situation. Grown man, different story. Teenager? No expectation.

Well I think you have very low expectations of teens then.

I remember many fights growing up. I remember many times other teens getting involved.
I've seen some very violent brawls. I don't ever remember a time when all people just watched.

Mark steyn talked about this 15 years ago in his book: "After America, Prepare For Armageddon"

This sort of stuff is common place in countries where they've successfully emasculated the men. One of the examples he give is in the UK a bunch of people filmed a guy drowning and did nothing. Able bodied young men, stood around and watched him drown, filming it.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: toysforadults
I have no expectation of a teenager to jump in and act heroic in this situation. Grown man, different story. Teenager? No expectation.

Well I think you have very low expectations of teens then.

I remember many fights growing up. I remember many times other teens getting involved.
I've seen some very violent brawls. I don't ever remember a time when all people just watched.

Growing up as a teen in the late 60's and early 70's there were indeed many knife brawls. I never witnessed any of them, so I cannot comment on what the witnesses did or did not do. But nobody died.