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Trump-Giuliani has Ukraine Investigating former V.P. Joe Biden for Illegal Coercion.

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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 02:30 AM
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September 20, 2019

Democrats in the media and the U.S. Congress are LIVID, after it was learned that President Trump is conducting opposition research on his political opponent, JOE BIDEN.

This past Summer, President Trump and his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, asked the new President of Ukraine to re-examine Joe Biden's role in certain actions taken by the previous Ukrainian President.

Apparently, a high-ranking Intel Community Democrat didn't like the President making such a request, and...

The mysterious Intelligence Community “whistleblower” case now looks like a coordinated Democrat effort to block any investigation of presidential candidate Joe Biden for corruptly using pressure on Ukraine to drop the investigation of Burisma, an energy company operating in the country, on which his son, Hunter Biden, was a board member.

In March 2016, then Vice-President Joe Biden warned Ukraine that $1 billion in loan guarantees would be withheld by the U.S. unless they replaced Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general who was investigating Hunter Biden. Ukraine did remove Shokin, and the prosecution was dropped. It looks like a clear case of a quid-pro-quo.


However, as things are starting to shake out, the current obfuscation to protect Joe Biden is President Trump asking Ukraine’s new president Volodymyr Zelensky to take another look at the issues surrounding the former government’s decision to fire the Ukrainian prosecutor.

This is presumably the call that was concerning to the whistleblower.


Rudy Giuliani said back in August, that he had asked for this re-examination to occur.

Source: thehill.com...

But as usual, Democrats in the Mainstream Media, and in Congress, are a bit "slow" in realizing what's happening. But when they do.... BOOM!


Twelve hours ago, Democrats/MSM believed and hoped that the "whistleblower" complained to the Intel Community Inspector General that President Trump was sharing U.S. Secrets with a world leader. They were foaming at mouth, thinking President Trump may have broken Federal Law. Which meant he really could be Impeached after all!

Six hours ago, Democrats/MSM learned that the Whistleblower filed a complaint with the I.C. Inspector General because he/she didn't like that President Trump asked the current Ukraine President to examine/investigate what V.P. Joe Biden told the prior Ukraine President.

Reaction is still coming in, but as you see in this FREDO CUOMO (CNN) vs RUDY GIULIANI interaction, Democrats are mad and let-down again.

-CareWeMust

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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 02:43 AM
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The nerve, gaul, adacity, effrontery of Trump. Obama would never try to hurt his political enemies by looking into their potential crimes himself personally.

Say what you want about Obama but he did it with class and grace. He used the DNC, FBI, CIA, NSA, FISA courts and other entities.


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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:00 AM
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I really love how this played out. The MSM refused to touch the story about Biden when it first started showing its stink. POTUS even alluded to it, for them to look into it. Crickets the whole time.

Now when they were so sure they had a dirty secret on POTUS and were salivating to get the news out, turns out its about Biden, his Son and the Ukraine dirty deal. They trapped themselves into having to report on it. Would be to awkward for them to just drop the hot potato over night because people would be wondering what happened to that secret whistle blower and the secret memo.

Well played POTUS!


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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:09 AM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The nerve, gaul, adacity, effrontery of Trump. Obama would never try to hurt his political enemies by looking into their potential crimes himself personally.

Say what you want about Obama but he did it with class and grace. He used the DNC, FBI, CIA, NSA, FISA courts and other entities.


Obama also promised Putin that he'd have more flexibility to grant him favors, after being re-elected to a second term. That's known as Obama's "Hot Microphone" moment.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:12 AM
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a reply to: onehuman

It's very telling that the "Early Start" news on FOX is covering the newly discovered TRUTH to this whistle-blower saga, while CNN is covering Houston Floods.

(Before 8pm CNN was wall-to-wall "Trump gave U.S. secrets to another country's President!")



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:21 AM
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You can tell that Joe Biden is mentally pre-occupied by "something".

In this clip, he says his tax plan will put 720 million women back into the work-force. There are only 330 million people total, in America.

30 second clip: twitter.com...

Maybe Joe is referring to all the women on the planet (with nice smelling hair) working, thanks to him?
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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:50 AM
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Not whistleblowing. Just somebody mad that Biden's and Hunter's peculiar situation is being looked at with a new set of eyes which, it absolutely should.

Biden was bragging about what he did after the fact. Obama certainly wasn't going anywhere near it. The President can re-examine it if he wants but here we are once again; fake outrage. As stated by the OP, Rudy said they were doing this MONTHS ago. Can't whistleblow something that is not a crime and that is already known.

It actually hurts Biden more than anyone else because this buried fired prosecutor story is now shiny and new. Maybe that's what they wanted to do without saying it. Get it out there somehow but do it in a way that looks bad on Trump.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Yes I have Fox on myself and they were taking a stab at it at least. What is CNN? lol Sounds like them. Typical


edit on 9/20/19 by onehuman because: typo queen



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 05:32 AM
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The allegation is that Trump withheld funds UNTIL Ukraine decided to investigate Biden. This could be considered a bribe or extortion.

And how would you guys feel if the Democrats asked Iran or China to dig in and see if they can get Trump's tax returns. I bet they could. Is that where we as a Country want to go? I know that I don't want foreign governments being asked by either Party for help or dirt during elections.

Congress needs to pass some laws.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 05:33 AM
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Double post.
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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 05:59 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

All I can say is some fools never learn.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Yeah where in that conversation did he say "to grant favors"?
Just ad lib why don't you.
Nice start to the day huh.
A day without a lie is like a day without sunshine.


You can try but this isn't anything like that. Its like comparing a match to a towering inferno.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: carewemust



You can tell that Joe Biden is mentally pre-occupied by "something".

Can you just stop.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets
ha ha yeah but nothing to do with withholding funds if they dont comply right?

What do you think that situation is and why should trump have another country again interfere with our elections?

Because he thinks that's the only way he can win and therefore stay out of jail?
Oh and he also thinks that he got away with it the first time.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: onehuman

They're busy running the interview with Rudy Giuliani where he has pee down the front of his trousers.
after saying he did not ask the Ukraine to interfere with our elections and a minute later says of course he asked Ukraine to investigate Biden.
Aid to Ukraine was withheld from July until sometime last week when it was finally released. Probably paid because this story about the whistleblower was on the wind.
Withholding aid to an ally unless they give you dirt on your opponent? And you guys are really okay with this?

Explain how it is ok... Do not give me any buts.... I believe this one did it or I believe that one did it.
Tell me how in your humble opinion this is anywhere near okay.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:42 AM
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It's amazing how the Democrats and media have made conservatives abandon any and all personal accountability and credibility. You guys will literally justify anything with "but Obama", this is just more proof of that. The media has really done a number on you guys, turned you into raging hypocrites all in the name of "sticking it to the libs".

Trump could kill your family and you'd find a way to write it off as no big deal as long as Obama did something similar. Cognitive dissonance is alive and well. Pat yourselves on the back.

👏👏👏👏👏
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posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:56 AM
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So Donald Trump is using the office of the President to extort a foreign country into investigating his political opponents.

And you right wingers have no problem with that.

That pretty much says it all.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:57 AM
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Is this the same Giuliani who wants regime change and sleeps with MEK a known terrorist group?



Rudy Giuliani addresses annual meeting of an Iranian exile group




Thousands of supporters of the People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran (MEK), an exiled opposition group, gathered in a northern Paris suburb for an annual rally. This year's rally, called "Free Iran 2018 - The Alternative" - aimed at planting the seeds for regime change in the Islamic Republic.




The US State Department considered the MEK a terrorist group until 2012, when it lifted the designation.







posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:57 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


It's amazing how the Democrats and media have made conservatives abandon any and all personal accountability and credibility.


Nobody made them do that. They didn't have any in the first place.



posted on Sep, 20 2019 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Truth be told we don't know how this is going down yet.

The meeting about it yesterday was classified though, so as it stands we can only go off of what Giuliani said.

Either way, I just read the article from OP. There is nothing in there that looks damning, but a lot that looks suspect.




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