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posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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A friend of mine moved to Sweden and married a Swede. I still chat with him regularly and we had this discussion about Sweden's Nationalized health care system.

He said this his wife got a bad form of breast cancer. She got the best treatment and lived.

Their very close friend got the same cancer and was denied treatment and died.

Why, you ask?

HIs wife was of child bearing age and the friend was post child bearing age.

That's what these wonderful and enlightened countries do to their citizens. Let them die when they are no longer useful to the collective.
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posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

Sure................... But why should I work my guts out and pay for layabouts to get their care? It's a Commie state and getting worse
At least the Yanks live in a fair state where you get what you work for. They got it right


Not even close. I pay ..... most of us pay about 50% in total taxes. That’s sales tax, property tax, income tax etc. In exchange we get business subsidies, massive wars, collapsing infrastructure, under funded schools and all our utilities and roads being sold off and privatized, which skyrockets their rates as well. THEN we also get to pay exorbitant prices for healthcare, education, etc.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: ketsuko

No, most Americans do when they realize that The cost of a tax to create a single payer healthcare system, while seeming astronomical, are fractional when compared to what we are all already paying for our profit based system. So let’s see. Would the majority of Americans prefer to pay astronomical prices for worse outcomes with the current plan where most of us still have to ration our care because it’s a cost burden even when fully insured, and still is the greatest cause of bankruptcies? Or would they rather pay almost half the rate, for doctors they can see whenever they want, and never have to stress that they’ll lose everything if they have the inevitable single catastrophic accident or illness? It’s not rocket science and all the industry funded propaganda in the world isn’t changing that.


I get the impression that most Americans cannot bear knowing that some of their tax money might be used to help people that have nothing.

They actually prefer to pay way over the odds for healthcare BECAUSE it benefits just them and no-one else.

It's quite amusing to me that the mere suggestion of any type of taxpayer-funded assistance for poor folk sends many Americans on ATS into an almost-fatal anaphylactic shock lol.




You may not realize this but there is already tax payer provided healthcare for both the poor and elderly in the US.
Medicare/Medicaid

Ouchy lol what a snooty britches you are lol.

Those that pay for that can't use it though. You have to pay again if you need hospital/doc? Or am I mistaken? Apologies if so.




About right. I pay 600/month for me, wife, kids. Then I pretty much don’t go because I can’t afford it. It’s usually $50 a pop for each visit, so the wife and kids go, but I usually pass. Then, if I need anything real there’s usually large uncovered expenses. I wanted to get a sleep study, and it would have been $600 I would still owe, not covered by my ins. If I want more lab work there’s usually extra fees, often a few hundred.


Yes you might have to pay now, and yes that is a lot, but the reverse is true too. If it is free (provided by taxes) how long do you think you would have to wait for a sleep study. My guess is a VERY long time. A very very long time.

I just did a quick search, this fellow had to wait 14 months just for an assessment.
forums.cpap.co.uk...
www.hsj.co.uk...




‘Sleep clinics have so many people coming in they don’t have the resources to see people for reviews, so they have to discharge them or look at other ways of managing them’



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: toolgal462
A friend of mine moved to Sweden and married a Swede. I still chat with him regularly and we had this discussion about Sweden's Nationalized health care system.

He said this his wife got a bad form of breast cancer. She got the best treatment and lived.

Their very close friend got the same cancer and was denied treatment and died.

Why, you ask?

HIs wife was of child bearing age and the friend was post child bearing age.

That's what these wonderful and enlightened countries do to their citizens. Let them die when they are no longer useful to the collective.


Cool story. Whereas in the us we judge who is worthy of treatment by how much money they have. I see people with hep c every day. Coming in, getting liters of fluid drained off their abdomens as they are slowly dying. You know we cured hep c what, 8,9 years ago? Costs $500 in most countries. What, 30 pills I believe. Here? $97,0000. Nice.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: ketsuko

No, most Americans do when they realize that The cost of a tax to create a single payer healthcare system, while seeming astronomical, are fractional when compared to what we are all already paying for our profit based system. So let’s see. Would the majority of Americans prefer to pay astronomical prices for worse outcomes with the current plan where most of us still have to ration our care because it’s a cost burden even when fully insured, and still is the greatest cause of bankruptcies? Or would they rather pay almost half the rate, for doctors they can see whenever they want, and never have to stress that they’ll lose everything if they have the inevitable single catastrophic accident or illness? It’s not rocket science and all the industry funded propaganda in the world isn’t changing that.


I get the impression that most Americans cannot bear knowing that some of their tax money might be used to help people that have nothing.

They actually prefer to pay way over the odds for healthcare BECAUSE it benefits just them and no-one else.

It's quite amusing to me that the mere suggestion of any type of taxpayer-funded assistance for poor folk sends many Americans on ATS into an almost-fatal anaphylactic shock lol.




You may not realize this but there is already tax payer provided healthcare for both the poor and elderly in the US.
Medicare/Medicaid

Ouchy lol what a snooty britches you are lol.

Those that pay for that can't use it though. You have to pay again if you need hospital/doc? Or am I mistaken? Apologies if so.




About right. I pay 600/month for me, wife, kids. Then I pretty much don’t go because I can’t afford it. It’s usually $50 a pop for each visit, so the wife and kids go, but I usually pass. Then, if I need anything real there’s usually large uncovered expenses. I wanted to get a sleep study, and it would have been $600 I would still owe, not covered by my ins. If I want more lab work there’s usually extra fees, often a few hundred.


Yes you might have to pay now, and yes that is a lot, but the reverse is true too. If it is free (provided by taxes) how long do you think you would have to wait for a sleep study. My guess is a VERY long time. A very very long time.

I just did a quick search, this fellow had to wait 14 months just for an assessment.
forums.cpap.co.uk...
www.hsj.co.uk...




‘Sleep clinics have so many people coming in they don’t have the resources to see people for reviews, so they have to discharge them or look at other ways of managing them’


That’s cool. My experience with that was 9 months ago. I still haven’t gone and actually never will. So I guess if I was over there, I’d be getting it in another 5 months, which is far sooner than never, which is when I’ll be getting it here.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: pexx421




‘Sleep clinics have so many people coming in they don’t have the resources to see people for reviews, so they have to discharge them or look at other ways of managing them’


Different issue, the pharmaceutical industry is an entire other conversation.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Hey, I agree that private insurance is all about the $$ and sucks too!

I suggested a compromise. A catastrophic nationalized health plan.

To prevent people from going bankrupt, etc...

That to me sounds like the best option.

But Socialism/Collectivism/Universal anything always leads to crap for everyone but the political ruling class.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: toolgal462
A friend of mine moved to Sweden and married a Swede. I still chat with him regularly and we had this discussion about Sweden's Nationalized health care system.

He said this his wife got a bad form of breast cancer. She got the best treatment and lived.

Their very close friend got the same cancer and was denied treatment and died.

Why, you ask?

HIs wife was of child bearing age and the friend was post child bearing age.

That's what these wonderful and enlightened countries do to their citizens. Let them die when they are no longer useful to the collective.


Cool story. Whereas in the us we judge who is worthy of treatment by how much money they have. I see people with hep c every day. Coming in, getting liters of fluid drained off their abdomens as they are slowly dying. You know we cured hep c what, 8,9 years ago? Costs $500 in most countries. What, 30 pills I believe. Here? $97,0000. Nice.


FYI, it costs that much in Canada too....Even with their great universal health care. HOw do I know? A friend of mine from Canada got the treatment only because she lobbied the pharmaceutical company to give it to her free or cheap.

I remember she was initially rejected by their wonderful nationalized health care system.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: pexx421




Cool story.


ATS is a great site and filled with a lot of thought provokers.
I even can see your point of view on several topics, even if I don't agree with them.

Not sure about others, but what turns me off is your need to add little things like "cool story" and other little cutesy sayings.
Are you not able to have a normal discussion like the rest of us? I have a feeling a lot more people would actually enjoy a debate with you. There are some great minds on here, and I've already noticed a few that would rather not even entertain banter with you. If you were wondering the reason, i'm guessing that's it.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: pexx421




Cool story.


ATS is a great site and filled with a lot of thought provokers.
I even can see your point of view on several topics, even if I don't agree with them.

Not sure about others, but what turns me off is your need to add little things like "cool story" and other little cutesy sayings.
Are you not able to have a normal discussion like the rest of us? I have a feeling a lot more people would actually enjoy a debate with you. There are some great minds on here, and I've already noticed a few that would rather not even entertain banter with you. If you were wondering the reason, i'm guessing that's it.



Yah, I noticed that dismissive "cool story" crack and chose to let it go....But glad you addressed it!



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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If you want to act like someone who has untreated TDS I don't talk crazy so I cannot help.
a reply to: toolgal462

TDS works both ways. I can't put any credence in people that tell crazy unsupported anecdotal BS to reinforce a political ideology.




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posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12


If you want to act like someone who has untreated TDS I don't talk crazy so I cannot help.
a reply to: toolgal462

TDS works both ways. I can't put any credence in people that tell crazy unsupported anecdotal BS to reinforce a political ideology.





Da # are you talking about?
Never mind. I don't care...



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: toolgal462
FYI, it costs that much in Canada too....Even with their great universal health care. HOw do I know? A friend of mine from Canada got the treatment only because she lobbied the pharmaceutical company to give it to her free or cheap.

I remember she was initially rejected by their wonderful nationalized health care system.

See...here we go with the BS again.

I am in Canada, Epclusa is free for me. (Hep-C types 1 through 6).

I love anecdotal!!!!



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: toolgal462
FYI, it costs that much in Canada too....Even with their great universal health care. HOw do I know? A friend of mine from Canada got the treatment only because she lobbied the pharmaceutical company to give it to her free or cheap.

I remember she was initially rejected by their wonderful nationalized health care system.

See...here we go with the BS again.

I am in Canada, Epclusa is free for me. (Hep-C types 1 through 6).

I love anecdotal!!!!


Maybe it is free now, but it sure as hell wasn't free about 3 years ago. Maybe because my friend was/is old?

Anyway, she did get the treatment but she was initially denied because of cost.

I will have to message her, maybe it wasn't the same med but it was a med that cured Hepatitis and she WAS denied by the health care system in Canada.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: toolgal462
FYI, it costs that much in Canada too....Even with their great universal health care. HOw do I know? A friend of mine from Canada got the treatment only because she lobbied the pharmaceutical company to give it to her free or cheap.

I remember she was initially rejected by their wonderful nationalized health care system.

See...here we go with the BS again.

I am in Canada, Epclusa is free for me. (Hep-C types 1 through 6).

I love anecdotal!!!!


Is this Canadian article incorrect?

www.cbc.ca...




"People are not getting the treatments they need," Hill said. "Governments are saying, 'This is too expensive,' and they're not treating everybody."





The enormous difference between what the drugs cost to make and the profits garnered by pharmaceutical companies not only makes the cure for hepatitis C too expensive for patients — it could also discourage government health agencies from conducting widespread screening for the virus, Hill said.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Hey jag, that’s really sweet of you to actually reach out and try to help. Honestly, I’ve only noticed you here recently. I’ve been using this site for 12 years? And honestly over the last 5 it’s been nothing but rudeness, arrogance, and atrocious behavior. So, the last, what 2 days? I’ve been trying something else out debate wise. We will see how it goes. But for the most part this place is not what it used to be. It’s disappointing, disheartening, and what can I say? If obnoxious one offs doesn’t work, I’ll try something else.

Let’s be clear though. This site used to be all about dissecting everything official. It was about getting to the truth of everything and stripping/exposing the propaganda, spin etc. Now it’s just people coming on, defending their party line, regurgitating memes and talking points heard ad nauseum all over the media, and denying reality. It’s seriously like arguing with religious fundamentalist zealots.

There. I feel better for venting! Thanks.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:39 PM
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Thanks Jag.

I wonder why they love anecdotal stories when it comes to someone accusing a man of sexual assault 40 yrs ago, without a single person to back it up....

Yet in the case of socialized medicine, anecdotes are crap.

so annoying
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posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: toolgal462
Maybe it is free now, but it sure as hell wasn't free about 3 years ago. Maybe because my friend was/is old?

Anyway, she did get the treatment but she was initially denied because of cost.

I will have to message her, maybe it wasn't the same med but it was a med that cured Hepatitis and she WAS denied by the health care system in Canada.


Or maybe it is because your media has misrepresented our healthcare for so long, that improper assumptions are constantly applied?

There is 14 healthcare systems in Canada. I have yet to see this covered by American news.



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Have you gotten a concussion from all that irony smacking you in the face yet?



posted on Sep, 19 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
Is this Canadian article incorrect?

www.cbc.ca...


It is incorrect.

It is applying what is happening in one health care system to all of our healthcare systems (in this case, the author has researched the Ontario system and assumed that it applies to all provinces).

Welcome to "modern journalism".


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