This is what socialized medicine looks like

a reply to: Blaine91555

We also pay way more for drugs because we pay for the R&D and other countries don't. They just let us fund it all by paying higher prices. The drugs exist often because we pay more. If not you would have to pay more.

This is a huge area that needs fixing quick.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I definitely have friends from Alberta who've done day surgeries in Alberta!

I definitely see the downfalls of our system, but I think the good far outweighs the bad.

I've also provided countless Americans with insulin and diabetic supplies, illegally, because even through there's little to no R&D related to basic diabetic drugs and care, the US prices are about $300 a VIAL, vs maybe $25.00 here in Canada. I really hope the issues in both countries get worked out, but I would never trade my Canadian healthcare for that in the U.S.

originally posted by: Grambler

I think you are right it’s not that simple
Some probably love it; some with the money probably prefer to fly elsewhere for care

You can get very good private health care in the UK. The same doctors/

surgeons/ and specialists also work for the NHS.

I have no complaints of the NHS However the private sector (like all things

that are paid for are superior)

When I was working my company paid for private health which I used three

times and the difference is only in the trimmings better food, one to one

nursing......The old adage *He who pays the piper calls the tune.*


The NHS needs reorganising from the bottom up, there is much waste, and

medication could be generic, which would be a big saving.


Today I was astonished to read NHS doctors and dentists are claiming for

patients who are either dead or non existant and it is costing the NHS millions.

a reply to: JAGStorm

I refer to 2 examples of the horror potentiated by nationalized healthcare: 1. The English couple with the dying child, that the government and docs refused to allow treatment in Italy 2. The poor bastard in the Netherlands that was unwillingly assisted in suicide due to the cost of his long term treatment.

Yeah, gimme some of that!

It’s not a one size fits all kind of thing. I personally wouldn’t give up my health care in Canada. All this talk of obscene wait times and the like i haven’t personally seen. I have however had family undergo serious surgery, cancer treatments, declining metal stability brought on by dementia, personally had bones set and surgery for accidents and always got fast care, travel expenses when going to to see specialists, even cheap flights discounted down to about 50$ CDN to make appointment.

None of my experiences with our health care left any family member in any kind of financial destress. None of them died waiting. None of them received sub part treatment. Just my anecdotal experience but Canada’s health care system works well for me.

a reply to: JAGStorm

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Blaine91555

We also pay way more for drugs because we pay for the R&D and other countries don't. They just let us fund it all by paying higher prices. The drugs exist often because we pay more. If not you would have to pay more.

This is a huge area that needs fixing quick.

Using the actual country of origin of each drug (traced back to the beginning), rather than the location of the company’s headquarters might paint an other picture...

 “The imposition of a number of drug price controls or their functional equivalents in the E.U.—reference pricing, capped drug budgets, health technology assessments, and the like— have all helped shift the epicenter of drug innovation from the E.U. to the U.S. (the world’s largest single pharmaceutical market) from the 1980s to today.”

*Paul Howard Forbes magazine

Peace

a reply to: JAGStorm

If national healthcare is so wonderful why do people in the UK, the utopia of socialized medicine fly out of country for healthcare? Why?

Private treatments are cheaper in Romania or Turkey.
People aren't flying out for free healthcare.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: JAGStorm

I refer to 2 examples of the horror potentiated by nationalized healthcare: 1. The English couple with the dying child, that the government and docs refused to allow treatment in Italy

That's too simplistic ......

He was dying, there was no cure, he was being kept alive by machines which

could not travel and work at the same time, The Italian doctors offered

treatment, he was already receiving *treatment* and bottom line is there

was no cure.


Not everything is curable.

a reply to: eletheia

But who has the right to make that call? In your opinion, the government gets that choice?

The English family wanted to try any other treatment to save their son, NOT at UKs expense, yet they werent allowed?

That is mighty effed up imo

a reply to: Atsbhct

There are people from here in Alaska that do go to Canada for some things. Hearing Aids are worth the trip for example. Some elective surgeries can be cheaper I understand. Don't know the in's and out's of it though.

I do think there must be a way, a better way than even the UK and Canada have, to provide care. The real solutions are in the private sector I'm sure.

I'm a question asker and when I talked to a surgeon that worked on me, he was open about what he makes. He earned far less than he should be earning, so it's not the MD's. Who is going to become an MD with all the debt and pay not enough, when the whole industry around them is awash in cash.

a reply to: JAGStorm

People don't seem to consider that the so-called 'socialized' medicine just means medicine paid for by somebody else, that isn't going to take the recipient's opinions into consideration when giving / paying for the care.

It means no more control, for you, individually at least as a sick person (we are all occasionally sick).

Instead, you are given what someone else decided, and … they are not with you in the room when you are getting the care.

Personally, I don't like that.

In the US, I agree we need cheaper healthcare choices … but we need those without losing control.

In socialized care, you are handed a menu of options max, but someone else decides what is on your menu.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: eletheia

But who has the right to make that call? In your opinion, the government gets that choice?

It wasn't the government .......I was the Law the parents took it to court.

The English family wanted to try any other treatment to save their son, NOT at UKs expense, yet they werent allowed?
That is mighty effed up imo

The court decided in the child's interest, to save further suffering. The

Instruments and machines couldn't travel working and the child couldn't

live for any amount of time without being on them.


Sometimes #happens...... I know.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
In socialized care, you are handed a menu of options max, but someone else decides what is on your menu.

Weird!

I must be super lucky, I am in a Canadian hospital once a week, and I have yet to meet this decision maker.

All my treatments must be on his/her days off.

Why would anybody want social healthcare in a country that has already screwed it up for Veterans royally. The VA system is filled with fraud, waste and above all, poor quality care. It's not even that many people, less than 1% of the population and they screwed it up.

I could use the VA. 100% covered but refuse. I have my own, much better private insurance. It's awesome. Just had surgery a few months ago by one of the best specialists in the country. He did an amazing job. No way jose that happens at the VA.

I don't why the US is filled with dummies. They have schooling, internet yet something like 60% are living paycheck to paycheck and have no clue what is going on. No dummies. Government healthcare is stupid. Look at the VA. You won't even get that. It will be WORSE.

a reply to: eletheia

Hmmm, I just cant get around a law that removes a parents rights, but I understand the points as you tell them.

Im just going to say its a conundrum.

I think it’s really what socialized healthcare looks like in a country that has no clue on how to implement such a system. We like our private expensive choices, though many barely understand what they are choosing.

It gets more expensive and more complicated every year. But we do love it for some reason.


Stockholm syndrome maybe?
And if so, is that covered?

a reply to: JAGStorm

No it's not anything like that what socialised medicine looks like, what it does look like however is sub par medical treatment and for veterans no less. That's shameful American veterans are treated so poorly.

We have the best health care money can buy in the US. Just ask any insurance CEO.

However we have socialized health care in the US. It's called medicare/medicaid, Indian Health Service, VA etc.

I want the same kind of health care that my congressman gets, thanks to my tax dollars. Is that socialized healthcare for the rich?

Although I have health care paid by my union dues. Full vision, dental, everything and much less than private insurance premiums.



Strength in Numbers....

originally posted by: contextual
a reply to: JAGStorm

Private treatments are cheaper in Romania or Turkey.
People aren't flying out for free healthcare.

I have heard too, that the cheap surgery sometimes goes wrong.......

and guess what?

It is corrected and put right by the N.H.S. for FREE

a reply to: JAGStorm

The one fix has been known for decades but has been fought against furiously by insurance companies, eager to protect their "fiefdoms" and their "right" to screw their "serfs" for every penny.

ALLOW INTERSTATE COMPETITION IN HEALTH INSURANCE/HEALTH CARE.

Basically, blow up the health care monopolies, like the AT & T monopoly was blown up in the 1980s which led to dramatically better service and order of magnitude lower pricing.

Lower pricing and margins...insurance and health firm not gonna like it....screw' em