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Dealth Cult "Catholics" anger Catholic Church

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posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 06:09 AM
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"MEXICO CITY -- Followers of Mexico's fast-growing Santa Muerte death cult, dressed in white and clutching statuettes of their beloved skeleton saint, marched across the capital yesterday to demand recognition of their faith.
Angered by the Roman Catholic Church's disapproval of their ghoulish sect and a government bid to strip their main shrine of its license, housewives marched alongside petty criminals chanting: "Listen, government, the Saint is fighting."
"We are being persecuted," said Catholic Bishop David Romo, who has become the black sheep of Mexico's Catholic Church for leading services to the bejeweled, scythe-wielding Santa Muerte, or Saint Death, in the rough Mexico City neighborhood of Tepito.

Santa Muerte, a centuries-old pagan cult, which has sprung back up in recent years to claim about 2 million faithful in Mexico, the second-biggest Catholic country, has followers that range from elite politicians to kidnappers and gangsters.
Followers do not see a contradiction between their veneration of death and being Catholics. In Mexico, it is not uncommon for Catholic churches in indigenous villages to practice unorthodox rituals and venerate their own saints.
Worshippers, many of whom spring from Mexico City's grimiest, most lawless suburbs, say their offerings of fruit, dollar bills, tequila and cigarettes bring them protection.
"She helps me when I'm ill or in danger. She's saved my life several times. I've been shot at and assaulted but I'm still here," said prostitute Sandra Cadena, 22, of the macabre figure she goes to venerate on the first day of each month.
As she spoke, marchers carried life-sized Santa Muerte statues in white robes, looking like gaudy versions of the grim reaper.
"She's my life. She's everything. Underneath we are all like her," said Alberto Avalos, 40, holding a large picture of the saint. "If I went to a Catholic church with my shaved head and tattoos, they'd say I was a thief. Here nobody judges you."
Yet a perceived tolerance for criminals, who visit Santa Muerte shrines to pray for protection from their enemies, is exactly what concerns the authorities.
The government is threatening to revoke a license granted to Bishop Romo's church in 2003 on the grounds the cult goes against Mexican rules on religion.


washtimes.com...

This is really rather frightening. As the article states crimminals are uning "this" part of the church to glorify crimes. Seems like a resurection of the Maya "death" worship........


[edit on 6-3-2005 by DrHoracid]




posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 06:10 AM
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Is it just me, or does the one in yellow/orange look like Jesus?


[edit on 6-3-2005 by ADVISOR]



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Is it just me, or does the one in yellow/orange look like Jesus?


[edit on 6-3-2005 by ADVISOR]


Well, that's just creepy, but I thought it looked like the image on the shroud of turin and....Osama...............[twilight zone music pops up in the background]...........



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 06:17 AM
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I'll get out of your head, there is wierd stuff in there any ways....



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 06:50 AM
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I'm Catholic, and I don't find anything weird about it. It's just the way they want to worship, is all. They can still be considered Christian if they believe in Jesus as the Son of God.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 07:00 AM
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The government is threatening to revoke a license granted to Bishop Romo's church in 2003 on the grounds the cult goes against Mexican rules on religion.

Rules on Religion. Religion According to Hoyle. Amazing.

Let them play, I say. Who is the first to judge?:shk:



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
washtimes.com...


In one sense I'm shocked the Moonie owned Washinton Times would judge, but then again I'm not.

Mexico is big on the "to convert" list for Reverend Moon. As are we all.

His intention - to unite all Christians under the authority of the "True Parents," which, of course, are the Rev. Moon and his wife Hak Ja Han.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 07:51 PM
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[calmly puts on asbestos suite]

OK, how is it Catholics can claim to be christians when you "pray" to "Mary", practice idolitry, have adopted many "pagan" ways, and pray to so called "saints".

Please explain where in the bible it says do these things, starting with the first 4 commandments. Then read, Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

You can not serve two masters.......there is God and everyone else. Make a choice..............the only way to the father is through the son. Christ....



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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Uh, all christians adopted Yule and Ostara, you call it christmas and easter. All christians have adopted Noah Flood, which is Giglamesh, and Zues. All christians have adopted mortal woman giving birth to gods child, which is also Zues. So, not surprising.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
You can not serve two masters.......there is God and everyone else. Make a choice..............the only way to the father is through the son. Christ....


Man, that's rich.

You can not serve two masters.... and the only way to the father is through the son.

Trinity types really shouldn't throw stones ya know?

You were saying something about reading the 10 Commandments? Okay...

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

Not...'You shall have no other gods before Me....until a groovy prophet comes along and some of his followers including non eyewitnesses later incorporate prevalent non judao mythology of the time to make a new religion more marketable to pagan gentiles (and supposedly Israel by rewriting the history of Jesus to fit Judao prophecy) and Emporer Constantine renders a formalized "Christian State" spreading a Judao blasphemous ism throughout the world placing a physical being before God as God so that all begin to worship him as God and the physical implements of his execution in glorious gentile pagan idolaltry while poo pooing all the rest of the non monothetistic religions doing exactly the same thing.'

Yeah, it doesn't say that.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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Actually I have noticed that many "sources" by some around here on the "religious" rights is from the Moony News paper, taking in consideration that Moony call himself the messiah and king, I wonder how truthful is the news.

I grew up in a Catholic environment and so far back were I am from the Catholic church has embrace the pagan believes of the natives of the land through the years.

We do not called the "Cult of the death" but the traditional 'Dias DE Los muertos"

Since I can remember we have celebrated that for a long time, mask are part of the celebration.

We also have in the islands not only that but our African roots celebration of the death also, with mask also, the church tried to stop rituals of it but with not success, so it had to allowed the pagan traditions to be incorporated into the saints.

Obviously moonies need to get some historical facts before they start complaining about what traditions are.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 09:21 PM
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Dr. Horacid the next time you get an article from Moony news paper, let me show you what moony stand for.




What is does the Unification Church believe?

That all religions are to become one, in a global theocracy under Moon
That Rev. Moon is the representative of "the victorious, original Adam."
That mankind fell from grace because Eve had sexual relations with Satan
That salvation will come only through Moon.

The largest so-called "World Peace" conventions have been held in Asia, Europe and South America. But Rev. Moon seems to have decided last year to expand his "conferences" to major North American cities. Such gatherings have been staged in Tampa and Boston this spring, at times without the media mentioning the connections to Moon's Unification Church.



www.rickross.com...




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posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Well, jesus is the dead and dying god, so it'd fit nicely in here.


I suspect that the church can just go nuclear on this and excommunicate the bishop and laypeople in the cult, if it can't control it internally.

But before anyone gets wise, it'd be time for the Spanish Inquisition.

NO one ever expects it, the time is ripe!



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 02:27 AM
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Nygdan, Monty Python had no idea what he started, did he? True, it is ripe for another slaughter by the church. Well, I thought that was why the were trying to wipe out the population of Africa by doing food for converts and no condoms but have more sex with aids infected people campaign.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
OK, how is it Catholics can claim to be christians when
you "pray" to "Mary", practice idolitry, have adopted
many "pagan" ways, and pray to so called "saints".


You should know by now not to believe the garbage that is
pumped out by so called 'ministers'. Always go to the source
for information. I suggest you pick up a copy of the Catholic
Catechism. It VERY CLEARLY states that the church does NOT
worship Mary or the Saints. It also shows very clearly where
in the bible people are allowed to ask others for prayers, which
is what the Catholics do ... ask the saints to pray for them to
Jesus. Jesus is still the mediator.

Idolatry? Hardly. Again. Look in the catechism. The Catholic
church condemns statue worship. There are statues in Catholic
churches, much as people have photo albums in their homes, or
Americans have the Lincoln Memorial in DC. They are reminders
of the people. The statues aren't to be worshipped, they are
to remind us of God's work in those people and to bring our
hearts to HIM, sometimes through the faithful asking those
people to pray to Jesus for them.

If you wish to, you may also go here for information on what
and why Catholics believe what they do -
www.catholic.com...

You could also try www.ewtn.com...

Don't forget, Catholics are NOT Sola Scriptura. Very few Christians
are. Sola Scriptura is something that is not in the bible.
Catholics have Sacred Tradition, which is something that is upheld
and encouraged biblically.

One last note .... When I lived in Alabama for 8 years we had
bunches of militant fundamentalists knocking on our door. Each and
every one of them claimed that their church had the only way to God,
and all others were false. The Church of Christ people said the Baptists
were going to hell, the Baptists said the Church of Christ people
were going to hell. They all said the Catholics, Episcopals, Orthodox
were going to hell. The snake handlers (yes, I met one) said that
anyone who didn't challenge the snakes were going to hell.

My mom watched that 'Amish in the City' show. (I didn't, it's not my
kind of thing). She said that one of the Amish kids told a protestant
minister that their parents said they'd go to hell if they left the Amish
faith. That minister (God bless his brilliant soul), said almost ALL
faiths tell their people that they will go to hell if they leave that
particular faith. It's a fear tactic based on lies and false interpretations
of the bible.





[edit on 3/7/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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For Dr. H's consideration - The Bible is not all-inclusive.
Scripture does NOT contain the whole of Christ's teaching.
We have Sacred Tradition based on oral teachings that
have been handed down for 2,000 years.

Mark 4:33 - 'With many such parables he spoke the word to them ...'
(not all parables are listed in the bible ... teachings are 'missing')

Mark 6:34 - 'He began to teach them many things'
(none of these 'many things' are recorded')

John 16:12 - 'I have yet many things to say to you, but you
cannot bear them now'. (what are the 'many' things?)

John 20:30 - 'Now, Jesus did many other signs in the presence
of the disciples, which are not written in this book.'

John 21:25 - 'But there are also many other things which Jesus
did; were every one of them to be written I suppose that the world
itself could not contain the books that would be written'.

Acts 1:2-3 - 'To (the Apostles) he presented himself alive after his
passion by many proofs, appearing to them for forty days and
speaking of the kingdom of God' (see also Luke 24:15-16, 25-27).
(What were the proofs and what were the things he taught?)

The bible on tradition and HOLY oral teaching being passed down -

1 Cor 11:2 - 'I commend you because you remember me in everything
and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.'

Col 2:8 - 'See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy
and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the
elemental spirits of the universe, not according to Christ.'

2 Thess 2:15 - 'Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were
taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.'

2 Thes 3:6 - 'Keep away from any borther who is living in idleness and
not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.'

Much of Scripture is a recording of what was originally oral proclamation

Luke 1:1-2 'Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative
of the things which have been accomplished among us, just as they
were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitness ..'

1 Cor 11:23 - 'For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you,
that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took break.."
(see also 1 Cor 11:2, Rom 6:17)

1 Cor 15:3 'for I delivered to you as of first importance what I also
received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures...'

True tradition never contradicts Scripture. It complements, explains, and
expands upon it. More on oral traditions ...

2 Peter 2:21 - 'For it would have been better for them never to have
known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back
from the holy commandment delivered to them.'

Jude 3: - 'Contend for the Faith which was once for all delivered to
the saints.'

Oral received - tradition handed down or delivered - preserved by
memory.

1 Cor 15:1-2 - 'I preached to you the gospel, which you received
in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast - '
(1 Cor 11:23 & 15:3)

Gal 1:9, 12 - if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to which
you received, let him be accursed '

1 Thes 2:13 - 'When you received the word of God which you heard
from us ... ' (see also 2 Thes 3:6)

Gospel = oral traditions, no bible yet. Tradition, Gospel and Word of
God all mean predominatly oral and are referred to as being delivered
and received. AND as stated previously ... not all of Christ's teachings
are in the bible...

1 Cor 11:2 - 'Maintain the traditions ... even as I have delivered them
to you.'

2 Thes 2:15 - 'Hold to the traditions .. taught by word of mouth or letter.'

2 Thes 3:6 - 'the tradition that you received from us'

1 Cor 15:1 '.. the gospel, which you received ...'

1 Thes 2:9 - 'We preached to you the gospel of God.'

Acts 8:14 - 'Samaria had received the word of God'

1 Thes 2:13 - 'You received the word of God which you heard from us'

2 Peter 2:21 - 'The holy commandment delivered to them'

Oral tradition according to St. Paul -

2 Timothy 1:13-14 - Follow the pattern of the sound words which you
have heard from me ...'
2 Timothy 2:2 - 'And what you have heard from me before witnesses,
entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.'
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Now the biggies ....

Sacred Scripture is PROFITABLE for these ends, still it is
not said to be SUFFICIENT. 2 Thes 2:15

2 Tim 3:16-17 - 'All Scripture is inspired by God and PROFITABLE
for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in
righteousness ... '

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St. Paul on (oral) tradition
Rom 6:17; 1 Cor 11:2, 23, 15:1-3, Gal. 1:9, 12,;
Cor 2:8; 1 Thes 2:13, 2 Thes 2:15, 3:6

NOTE - I apologize if I repeat myself in any of the scripture
quotes above.


[edit on 3/7/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
[calmly puts on asbestos suite]

OK, how is it Catholics can claim to be christians when you "pray" to "Mary", practice idolitry, have adopted many "pagan" ways, and pray to so called "saints".

Please explain where in the bible it says do these things, starting with the first 4 commandments. Then read, Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

You can not serve two masters.......there is God and everyone else. Make a choice..............the only way to the father is through the son. Christ....


While I'm not Christian, I was originally raised Catholic. In my later years, I made it point to learn about other religions, and I do get a kick out of the Catholics blatant perversion of Commandment # 1.

I am the lord your God, you will have no others before me.

Idol worship = Praying to Saints, Mary, and whoever else that is not God directly.

So Dr.H, While we are not the same faith I on the same page about Idol worship.

-ADHDsux4me




[edit on 7-3-2005 by ADHDsux4me]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by ADHDsux4me
I am the lord your God, you will have no others before me.
Idol worship = Praying to Saints, Mary, and whoever else
that is not God directly.


So I guess that even though the Catholic Catechism says that
Catholics do not worship Mary. And the Catholic Catechism
says that Catholics do not worship the Saints. And the Catholic
Catechism says that worship belongs to God alone ... then
you think that Catholics asking others (the saints) to pray to
God for them is idol worship?

Gee ... guess that means that YOU don't ask anyone to pray
to God for you ... otherwise that would be you being an idol
worshipper. It's the same thing.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 02:38 AM
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I am interested in your description of what you called a militant fundamentalist.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Well, jesus is the dead and dying god, so it'd fit nicely in here.



Well if you think Christ is dead or dieing then when he returns to "clean" the earth of all evil with an army of untold numbers of angelic warriors you can tell him that "face to face" and hear the words from his mouth......"I know him not".



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