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posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Puppylove

How did the sciences advance?

Wasn’t their an incentive for individuals to research and create those technologies?



Many of them, most really, were publicly funded, through schools, military, etc.
And honestly we could pay the same investment amount as the pharma corporations directly to schools research departments and get the same amount of medicine development and research at a fraction of the cost as a tax. We could have all the medical research, miracles, and breakthroughs they have and not have to pay for their profit, advertising, etc. and have the meds available for everyone without charge, and the tax would be about 27% of what we are all already paying for their products. We would save almost 75% just by directly funding the research and production ourselves. No capitalism necessary.




posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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A pepperoni and sausage pizza will cost you about $2 to make. You can sell it on average for $15. So you are about 77,000 pizzas away from being a millionaire. Or roughly 30 pizzas per day over seven years time, if you want to stay a super small business.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421
I see lots of capitalist myths here. The self made man. The wealthy philanthropist. Cute.

Thing is, capital is a finite resource, like water or anything else. And money in the hands of the market, as in being paid, spent, etc is economic activity. However trillions in the hands of few are completely removed from the economy, either sitting as “investments” in real estate, or the 5 trillion sitting in offshore accounts. This is tantamount to someone accumulating the vast majority of the water, for instance, and instead of using it just socking it away while others are dying of thirst. If that money was taxed and used for economic activities such as govt building projects, infrastructure, services etc it would add to the economy. Sitting there growing it’s subtracting from it instead.

As to philanthropy..... f that. If they would just pay their taxes rather than dodging, we wouldn’t need any of their philanthropy. Instead they pay far less in philanthropy than I pay in taxes, and they get celebrated for it..... along with a tax break. That’s not philanthropy. It’s marketing, pr, and self aggrandizement. About 50% of my money goes to taxes, 50% of theirs should too. Taxes should be levied on surplus income, rather than taken from needed funds. I, and most people I know, choose between going to the doc or getting clothes, etc. That’s not an issue with the wealthy elite, and yet I pay a much higher percent of my income than they do. And that’s just income! That’s not even wealth, which is a far higher disparity.


This post has completely disqualified you from having any discussion regarding economics / finance. You are in over your head and not even demonstrating a rudimentary understanding of the topic.

Capital is not horded or completely removed from the economy. The wealthy do not sit on cash and take it out of the economy. That money is put into investments which in turn is lent out to other businesses / entrepreneurs. Banks do not sit on cash. Banks also are lending deposits out as well. This allow for loans and other investments.

Even when say a billionaire purchase real estate, that money is in the economy. That property had to be built. Contractors, decorators, architects, electricians, etc all employed.

I swear, half the conversations wouldn't be needed if some of you just took a basic econ 101 course.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: pexx421
I see lots of capitalist myths here. The self made man. The wealthy philanthropist. Cute.

Thing is, capital is a finite resource, like water or anything else. And money in the hands of the market, as in being paid, spent, etc is economic activity. However trillions in the hands of few are completely removed from the economy, either sitting as “investments” in real estate, or the 5 trillion sitting in offshore accounts. This is tantamount to someone accumulating the vast majority of the water, for instance, and instead of using it just socking it away while others are dying of thirst. If that money was taxed and used for economic activities such as govt building projects, infrastructure, services etc it would add to the economy. Sitting there growing it’s subtracting from it instead.

As to philanthropy..... f that. If they would just pay their taxes rather than dodging, we wouldn’t need any of their philanthropy. Instead they pay far less in philanthropy than I pay in taxes, and they get celebrated for it..... along with a tax break. That’s not philanthropy. It’s marketing, pr, and self aggrandizement. About 50% of my money goes to taxes, 50% of theirs should too. Taxes should be levied on surplus income, rather than taken from needed funds. I, and most people I know, choose between going to the doc or getting clothes, etc. That’s not an issue with the wealthy elite, and yet I pay a much higher percent of my income than they do. And that’s just income! That’s not even wealth, which is a far higher disparity.


This post has completely disqualified you from having any discussion regarding economics / finance. You are in over your head and not even demonstrating a rudimentary understanding of the topic.

Capital is not horded or completely removed from the economy. The wealthy do not sit on cash and take it out of the economy. That money is put into investments which in turn is lent out to other businesses / entrepreneurs. Banks do not sit on cash. Banks also are lending deposits out as well. This allow for loans and other investments.

Even when say a billionaire purchase real estate, that money is in the economy. That property had to be built. Contractors, decorators, architects, electricians, etc all employed.

I swear, half the conversations wouldn't be needed if some of you just took a basic econ 101 course.


Right. So apparently all the massive growths in us gdp directly reflect growing industry and business, and that’s why our wages and standards of living have been growing over the last 40 years, right? Or could it be that what we are sold as “investments” are often just methods for the “investors” to extract more money from the economy and not actually add a product or growth. That’s called subtractive and actually contracts the economy, but is largely ignored by our “economists”. You know, the same economists who, like you probably, actually believed that massive tax breaks would be used to invest in the us economy. And I’m sure here that you’ll try to explain some twisted way that stock buybacks are actually productive to the economy, just like corporate takeovers, outsourcing, and all the other wonderful mechanisms of Reaganism, trickle down, etc that have made our economy boom for the last 40 years. Well, for .1% of us at least.

But at least we see you approve of transfer of wealth.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

So, to clarify. While I appreciate your condescending arrogance.... I understand the theoretical mechanisms. I just expect they’re all bs. I suspect this because it’s the easiest explanation for the fact that during times we had the highest taxes the nation had more actual real growth. And in the last 40 years, as taxes continued downward, the economic situation did as well for the vast majority of wage earners. It’s very simple.

To add, in 1970 80% of gdp growth came from actual growth in productivity. In 2017 60% of gdp growth came from taking it from the workers. This invalidates our whole system.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

I wonder why people are so very disinclined to question the status quo of capitalism? As another poster suggested, it isn't about turning to full blown socialism/communism either but maybe a compromise and meeting in the middle. Even holding out the for the briefest of discussions was met with much disapproval.

Why is it so terrible to even question wealth accumulation? Why is it so scary to question the current model?

The other curious thing is the discouragement of trying to imagine a better system because we have it soooooo good compared to the rest of the world. Here we are with massive amounts of depression and anxiety laced throughout our western population. But we can't question our current system because someone half the world away is living in a mud hut. I need to find their manual of blasphemy so I don't transgress as often.

Well, you have to hand it to the current puppet masters, the mere questioning of their system is met with outrage. Bravo.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: contextual
Can't really complain if you keep voting in capitalist governments.


But, to be fair on them, they only have a choice between fabulously wealthy candidates.

The vote is made a joke when there are additional rules that limit candidate choice and where some people's votes are worth much more than others.

Yet homelessness grows, infrastructure falls apart, private and public debt grows, substance abuse grows, healthcare is still only for the privileged, the prisons fill and the wealthy treat the poor like vermin (as if they caused their own problems).

And then they have civics classes that indoctrinate children to believe that these things are a fairer system.

LOL



edit on 18/9/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: pexx421
I see lots of capitalist myths here. The self made man. The wealthy philanthropist. Cute.

Thing is, capital is a finite resource, like water or anything else. And money in the hands of the market, as in being paid, spent, etc is economic activity. However trillions in the hands of few are completely removed from the economy, either sitting as “investments” in real estate, or the 5 trillion sitting in offshore accounts. This is tantamount to someone accumulating the vast majority of the water, for instance, and instead of using it just socking it away while others are dying of thirst. If that money was taxed and used for economic activities such as govt building projects, infrastructure, services etc it would add to the economy. Sitting there growing it’s subtracting from it instead.

As to philanthropy..... f that. If they would just pay their taxes rather than dodging, we wouldn’t need any of their philanthropy. Instead they pay far less in philanthropy than I pay in taxes, and they get celebrated for it..... along with a tax break. That’s not philanthropy. It’s marketing, pr, and self aggrandizement. About 50% of my money goes to taxes, 50% of theirs should too. Taxes should be levied on surplus income, rather than taken from needed funds. I, and most people I know, choose between going to the doc or getting clothes, etc. That’s not an issue with the wealthy elite, and yet I pay a much higher percent of my income than they do. And that’s just income! That’s not even wealth, which is a far higher disparity.


This post has completely disqualified you from having any discussion regarding economics / finance. You are in over your head and not even demonstrating a rudimentary understanding of the topic.

Capital is not horded or completely removed from the economy. The wealthy do not sit on cash and take it out of the economy. That money is put into investments which in turn is lent out to other businesses / entrepreneurs. Banks do not sit on cash. Banks also are lending deposits out as well. This allow for loans and other investments.

Even when say a billionaire purchase real estate, that money is in the economy. That property had to be built. Contractors, decorators, architects, electricians, etc all employed.

I swear, half the conversations wouldn't be needed if some of you just took a basic econ 101 course.


Right. So apparently all the massive growths in us gdp directly reflect growing industry and business, and that’s why our wages and standards of living have been growing over the last 40 years, right? Or could it be that what we are sold as “investments” are often just methods for the “investors” to extract more money from the economy and not actually add a product or growth. That’s called subtractive and actually contracts the economy, but is largely ignored by our “economists”. You know, the same economists who, like you probably, actually believed that massive tax breaks would be used to invest in the us economy. And I’m sure here that you’ll try to explain some twisted way that stock buybacks are actually productive to the economy, just like corporate takeovers, outsourcing, and all the other wonderful mechanisms of Reaganism, trickle down, etc that have made our economy boom for the last 40 years. Well, for .1% of us at least.

But at least we see you approve of transfer of wealth.


After WWII, our economy boomed because we were practically the only industrialized nation at that point because pretty much every other civilized country was bombed to pieces except the US.

Wage stagnation occurred because of several changes. First, feminism brought a ton of new workers into the work force for many jobs which depressed wages. Second, global markets not only opened up selling opportunities for our countries, it also allowed other countries to offer cheaper labor options.

Tax rates in the past were high but rarely paid.

Here is a breakdown if you care to educate yourself...

Taxes on Rich Were Not Much Higher in the 50s




How could it be that the tax code of the 1950s had a top marginal tax rate of 91 percent, but resulted in an effective tax rate of only 42 percent on the wealthiest taxpayers? In fact, the situation is even stranger. The 42.0 percent tax rate on the top 1 percent takes into account all taxes levied by federal, state, and local governments, including: income, payroll, corporate, excise, property, and estate taxes. When we look at income taxes specifically, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average effective rate of only 16.9 percent in income taxes during the 1950s.[4]



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
A pepperoni and sausage pizza will cost you about $2 to make. You can sell it on average for $15. So you are about 77,000 pizzas away from being a millionaire. Or roughly 30 pizzas per day over seven years time, if you want to stay a super small business.


and you have no operational costs, no competition, and vast numbers of people hungry specifically for pizza, all the time.

Yeah, right.




posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

I was in Beijing in 2003. Everything cost 1/7th of what it cost here.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

You're right it is absurd because people would rebel and hang the #er before it got to that point same as every other time the balance of power got too unbalanced.

The scary thing is the elite are getting better at removing the ability for the populace to thwart them when they get too big for their britches. With automation and advanced AI on the way one of two things are going to happen.

Either we'll get our act together and fix things.

Or

We'll keep twiddling our thumbs making excuses not to act until it's too late. The second the elites no longer need actual humans for protection we're all screwed.

Once robotics and AI can outperform our soldiers we'll see a hell far worse than anything that has occurred on earth before.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
There has always been extreme wealth and poverty at the margins.

Yes, when you are living paycheck to paycheck it is hard to imagine someone having tens of millions or billions at their disposal. Heck, most people just want an extra 50k a year.

However, the world does not and never will work that way. Wealth is not is fixed pie. The entire pie grows.


For a large number of people, their slice of that pie never grows, for others, their slice grows way beyond what an entire community can eat. Some starve while others have more than they can eat, without limit.


Most of these billionaires have created many times their wealth on a global scale which is why they are so rich in the first place.


Most billionaires create their wealth off the work and productivity of others. They underpay their workers compared to the value of the workers productivity and pocket the difference for themselves as if the capability to direct the workers was somehow more difficult and harder work than what the actual producers do.


Most are extremely charitable. Go to any city and see all things that are funded by their charitable giving.


What of the poor who are also extremely charitable with their meager incomes? Will they ever get more than a warm feeling as acknowledgement? Yet they still give to their churches and charities (and taxes, you have to remember that the wealthy are great at tax avoidance).


Envy can eat at you. Just live your life and don't worry about what others have. Many are rich in material goods but poor in their personal lives.

I have a beautiful wife, two great kids, and my health. I am rich.


I have a wife, two great kids, am grieving for two others, and no longer have my health (such stuff happens as you get older). I am now comfortable financially, but have struggled all my life and have watched people I have loved die who could possibly have been saved, had I had the wealth.

The excessively rich are damaging to the rest of society.

Envy of the extremely rich is far less destructive to people in general than the consequences of their greed.


I rather have that than riches but kids who hate me because I'm never around or a gold digging spouse, etc.


Consume, be silent, die.

edit on 18/9/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
A pepperoni and sausage pizza will cost you about $2 to make. You can sell it on average for $15. So you are about 77,000 pizzas away from being a millionaire. Or roughly 30 pizzas per day over seven years time, if you want to stay a super small business.



Obviously, you've never paid commercial rents!



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I was in Beijing in 2003. Everything cost 1/7th of what it cost here.


That is nearly 20 years ago, head back to China now and give the people who haven't been there in the same amount of time a call, some of us have been there in the interim.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Edumakated
There has always been extreme wealth and poverty at the margins.

Yes, when you are living paycheck to paycheck it is hard to imagine someone having tens of millions or billions at their disposal. Heck, most people just want an extra 50k a year.

However, the world does not and never will work that way. Wealth is not is fixed pie. The entire pie grows.


For a large number of people, their slice of that pie never grows, for others, their slice grows way beyond what an entire community can eat. Some starve while others have more than they can eat, without limit.


Most of these billionaires have created many times their wealth on a global scale which is why they are so rich in the first place.


Most billionaires create their wealth off the work and productivity of others. They underpay their workers compared to the value of the workers productivity and pocket the difference for themselves as if the capability to direct the workers was somehow more difficult and harder work than what the actual producers do.


Most are extremely charitable. Go to any city and see all things that are funded by their charitable giving.


What of the poor who are also extremely charitable with their meager incomes? Will they ever get more than a warm feeling as acknowledgement? Yet they still give to their churches and charities (and taxes, you have to remember that the wealthy are great at tax avoidance).


Envy can eat at you. Just live your life and don't worry about what others have. Many are rich in material goods but poor in their personal lives.

I have a beautiful wife, two great kids, and my health. I am rich.


I have a wife, two great kids, am grieving for two others, and no longer have my health (such stuff happens as you get older). I am now comfortable financially, but have struggled all my life and have watched people I have loved die who could possibly have been saved, had I had the wealth.

The excessively rich are damaging to the rest of society.

Envy of the extremely rich is far less destructive to people in general than the consequences of their greed.


I rather have that than riches but kids who hate me because I'm never around or a gold digging spouse, etc.


Consume, be silent, die.


If it is so easy to become a billionaire or even a millionaire, by all means, please risk your own capital to start a business and run it how you see fit. Pay all your low skilled workers $100k/yr and the CEO $125k/yr. Let us know how it works out....



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: pexx421
I see lots of capitalist myths here. The self made man. The wealthy philanthropist. Cute.

Thing is, capital is a finite resource, like water or anything else. And money in the hands of the market, as in being paid, spent, etc is economic activity. However trillions in the hands of few are completely removed from the economy, either sitting as “investments” in real estate, or the 5 trillion sitting in offshore accounts. This is tantamount to someone accumulating the vast majority of the water, for instance, and instead of using it just socking it away while others are dying of thirst. If that money was taxed and used for economic activities such as govt building projects, infrastructure, services etc it would add to the economy. Sitting there growing it’s subtracting from it instead.

As to philanthropy..... f that. If they would just pay their taxes rather than dodging, we wouldn’t need any of their philanthropy. Instead they pay far less in philanthropy than I pay in taxes, and they get celebrated for it..... along with a tax break. That’s not philanthropy. It’s marketing, pr, and self aggrandizement. About 50% of my money goes to taxes, 50% of theirs should too. Taxes should be levied on surplus income, rather than taken from needed funds. I, and most people I know, choose between going to the doc or getting clothes, etc. That’s not an issue with the wealthy elite, and yet I pay a much higher percent of my income than they do. And that’s just income! That’s not even wealth, which is a far higher disparity.


This post has completely disqualified you from having any discussion regarding economics / finance. You are in over your head and not even demonstrating a rudimentary understanding of the topic.

Capital is not horded or completely removed from the economy. The wealthy do not sit on cash and take it out of the economy. That money is put into investments which in turn is lent out to other businesses / entrepreneurs. Banks do not sit on cash. Banks also are lending deposits out as well. This allow for loans and other investments.

Even when say a billionaire purchase real estate, that money is in the economy. That property had to be built. Contractors, decorators, architects, electricians, etc all employed.

I swear, half the conversations wouldn't be needed if some of you just took a basic econ 101 course.


Right. So apparently all the massive growths in us gdp directly reflect growing industry and business, and that’s why our wages and standards of living have been growing over the last 40 years, right? Or could it be that what we are sold as “investments” are often just methods for the “investors” to extract more money from the economy and not actually add a product or growth. That’s called subtractive and actually contracts the economy, but is largely ignored by our “economists”. You know, the same economists who, like you probably, actually believed that massive tax breaks would be used to invest in the us economy. And I’m sure here that you’ll try to explain some twisted way that stock buybacks are actually productive to the economy, just like corporate takeovers, outsourcing, and all the other wonderful mechanisms of Reaganism, trickle down, etc that have made our economy boom for the last 40 years. Well, for .1% of us at least.

But at least we see you approve of transfer of wealth.


After WWII, our economy boomed because we were practically the only industrialized nation at that point because pretty much every other civilized country was bombed to pieces except the US.

Wage stagnation occurred because of several changes. First, feminism brought a ton of new workers into the work force for many jobs which depressed wages. Second, global markets not only opened up selling opportunities for our countries, it also allowed other countries to offer cheaper labor options.

Tax rates in the past were high but rarely paid.

Here is a breakdown if you care to educate yourself...

Taxes on Rich Were Not Much Higher in the 50s




How could it be that the tax code of the 1950s had a top marginal tax rate of 91 percent, but resulted in an effective tax rate of only 42 percent on the wealthiest taxpayers? In fact, the situation is even stranger. The 42.0 percent tax rate on the top 1 percent takes into account all taxes levied by federal, state, and local governments, including: income, payroll, corporate, excise, property, and estate taxes. When we look at income taxes specifically, the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid an average effective rate of only 16.9 percent in income taxes during the 1950s.[4]




I’m sure that’s what you believe. And as I stated, ww2 launched the US into first place. But ww2 didn’t push fair wages. Labor rights. Child labor laws. Benefits. Those were because of the civil rights movements, labor unions, and afl/cio holding the presidents feet to the flames. You think businesses after ww2 were like “oh, we’re making so much money, let’s share it with our workers and give them extra time off too!” Don’t be such a naive corporate apologist. The American people fought and bled for those things. They sure as hell weren’t bestowed.

As to “labor costs decreased because women entered the market” you have that absolutely backwards. Women were forced to enter the market in the late 60’s and 70’s because new deal legislation was being rolled back and two salaries were becoming required to accomplish what one did before.

As to the tax rates, you’re correct, they paid far lower effective tax rates than they were actually supposed to. Think that’s different now? We still collected far more of a percentage from them back then than we do now. But it wasn’t just the tax rate. It’s that the wages they had to pay went up, which meant more taxes and consumerism from the working class as well. None of this changes the fact that the last 40 years the capitalists/corporations/ wealthy elite have fully had the wheel, and their policies have been a disaster for 300 million Americans.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Edumakated
There has always been extreme wealth and poverty at the margins.

Yes, when you are living paycheck to paycheck it is hard to imagine someone having tens of millions or billions at their disposal. Heck, most people just want an extra 50k a year.

However, the world does not and never will work that way. Wealth is not is fixed pie. The entire pie grows.


For a large number of people, their slice of that pie never grows, for others, their slice grows way beyond what an entire community can eat. Some starve while others have more than they can eat, without limit.


Most of these billionaires have created many times their wealth on a global scale which is why they are so rich in the first place.


Most billionaires create their wealth off the work and productivity of others. They underpay their workers compared to the value of the workers productivity and pocket the difference for themselves as if the capability to direct the workers was somehow more difficult and harder work than what the actual producers do.


Most are extremely charitable. Go to any city and see all things that are funded by their charitable giving.


What of the poor who are also extremely charitable with their meager incomes? Will they ever get more than a warm feeling as acknowledgement? Yet they still give to their churches and charities (and taxes, you have to remember that the wealthy are great at tax avoidance).


Envy can eat at you. Just live your life and don't worry about what others have. Many are rich in material goods but poor in their personal lives.

I have a beautiful wife, two great kids, and my health. I am rich.


I have a wife, two great kids, am grieving for two others, and no longer have my health (such stuff happens as you get older). I am now comfortable financially, but have struggled all my life and have watched people I have loved die who could possibly have been saved, had I had the wealth.

The excessively rich are damaging to the rest of society.

Envy of the extremely rich is far less destructive to people in general than the consequences of their greed.


I rather have that than riches but kids who hate me because I'm never around or a gold digging spouse, etc.


Consume, be silent, die.


If it is so easy to become a billionaire or even a millionaire, by all means, please risk your own capital to start a business and run it how you see fit. Pay all your low skilled workers $100k/yr and the CEO $125k/yr. Let us know how it works out....


It is not easy to become a billionaire because no-one has much extra money left to give. But once you have a working business and steady income, you can suppress competition promote sales and ensure that the money keeps rolling in.

At that stage, if I were in that position, I would set up a profit sharing arrangement with employees, which would help to retain staff, and be an ethically fair way to do business.

There are some businesses which do that. Very few owned by billionaires, though, because billionaires are greedy. They tend to think that they created the company alone and forget everyone else involved. Then they keep amassing the wealth as if their initial investment is the only factor in the success of the company.


edit on 18/9/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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For a large number of people, their slice of that pie never grows, for others, their slice grows way beyond what an entire community can eat.


The question should be why is that.
This meme is an extreme example, but it proves the point.
Real world example, I had a friend complain that he didn't make enough money and his boss was cheap. Next day he was showing off his $300 jeans that he had to have...


I've know a lot of people that have struggled financially, in 99% of those cases those people could have been doing things to grow their pie. It's all about choices.
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posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Edumakated
There has always been extreme wealth and poverty at the margins.

Yes, when you are living paycheck to paycheck it is hard to imagine someone having tens of millions or billions at their disposal. Heck, most people just want an extra 50k a year.

However, the world does not and never will work that way. Wealth is not is fixed pie. The entire pie grows.


For a large number of people, their slice of that pie never grows, for others, their slice grows way beyond what an entire community can eat. Some starve while others have more than they can eat, without limit.


Most of these billionaires have created many times their wealth on a global scale which is why they are so rich in the first place.


Most billionaires create their wealth off the work and productivity of others. They underpay their workers compared to the value of the workers productivity and pocket the difference for themselves as if the capability to direct the workers was somehow more difficult and harder work than what the actual producers do.


Most are extremely charitable. Go to any city and see all things that are funded by their charitable giving.


What of the poor who are also extremely charitable with their meager incomes? Will they ever get more than a warm feeling as acknowledgement? Yet they still give to their churches and charities (and taxes, you have to remember that the wealthy are great at tax avoidance).


Envy can eat at you. Just live your life and don't worry about what others have. Many are rich in material goods but poor in their personal lives.

I have a beautiful wife, two great kids, and my health. I am rich.


I have a wife, two great kids, am grieving for two others, and no longer have my health (such stuff happens as you get older). I am now comfortable financially, but have struggled all my life and have watched people I have loved die who could possibly have been saved, had I had the wealth.

The excessively rich are damaging to the rest of society.

Envy of the extremely rich is far less destructive to people in general than the consequences of their greed.


I rather have that than riches but kids who hate me because I'm never around or a gold digging spouse, etc.


Consume, be silent, die.


If it is so easy to become a billionaire or even a millionaire, by all means, please risk your own capital to start a business and run it how you see fit. Pay all your low skilled workers $100k/yr and the CEO $125k/yr. Let us know how it works out....


It is not easy to become a billionaire because no-one has much extra money left to give. But once you have a working business and steady income, you can suppress competition promote sales and ensure that the money keeps rolling in.

At that stage, if I were in that position, I would set up a profit sharing arrangement with employees, which would help to retain staff, and be an ethically fair way to do business.

There are some businesses which do that. Very few owned by billionaires, though, because billionaires are greedy. They tend to think that they created the company alone and forget everyone else involved. Then they keep amassing the wealth as if their initial investment is the only factor in the success of the company.



Please provide some examples....

I work in personal finance. I have seen countless Google, Facebook, Uber, and other tech company millionaires. People who got rich from employee stock plans.

Some of my clients work for a well known billionaire hedgefund guy. They literally are making $1-$4 million in their 30s. The owner is worth about $12 billion. He seems to be spreading the wealth around to his employees quite nicely.

The owner of a company is the one who risks his investment to start the company. If employees want to share in the riches, they also have to share in the losses. Any entrepreneur will share stories of having to mortgage their house or work for nothing when getting a business off the ground.



posted on Sep, 18 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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It is not easy to become a billionaire because no-one has much extra money left to give.


So by your own example.......if it is not easy, it is soooo difficult, so rare, so hard to do,
those that do make it deserve to have it taken away... yea that makes a lot of sense...



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