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NASA and GE imagery of Papoose lake show anomalies

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posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 08:42 PM
Nice on of "Area 51" for those more interested in this installation

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Large and high resolution

edit on 9/28/2019 by JBurns because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 28 2019 @ 11:45 PM

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: JBurns

Not sure what you see.

Does this help?

Yes, it helps. After some careful analysis and professional photo enhancement, everything is much clearer now. I can't believe anyone missed this.

posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 11:30 AM
a reply to: Kalamitous

Explain this photo/these findings or show me where else this "anomaly" occurs in nature

And don't jump to the used/worn out excuse of "Google Earth distorts" photos.... these weren't from Google Earth, they are raw images from NASA satellites


This photo hasn't been seen anywhere else but here on ATS. Nobody had any chance to edit/conceal/flatten or otherwise manipulate it. It wasn't indexed. Had to use automated means to request this and thousands of others and just so happened to get lucky and come across this

Next, I'll show you how many roads/tracks/trails lead up to the anomaly.

For comparison, the US government recently accused Iran of having a secret underground installation (buried in a mountain) based on far fewer observables. In this case, we not only have tracks/paths/roads/etc but the clear line of hangars exactly where Bob said they would be. We don't need absolute proof of something, only that the evidence Pro-argument outweighs the evidence Con-argument. That is called "high confidence" and wars have been fought with far less evidence. S4 Papoose Lake is real. It is there and it is real.

If we operated on the "absolute proof" standard, well.... easy to see why it wouldn't work out. Science doesn't understand everything. For instance, do you believe Einstein is lying about "Spooky action at a distance" ? Science doesn't understand why/how entangled pairs can act on each other at FTL speeds but they do

Anyhow, enjoyed your parody image
Best findings yet!
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posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 12:22 PM

originally posted by: JBurns
Anyhow, enjoyed your parody image
Best findings yet!

Whew! Thanks!

When I first started reading your post, I was worried and thought you were coming for me when all I was doing was something that struck me as funny. I wasn't mocking or making fun of anyone or anything. I find this whole thing fascinating and love reading about all this stuff.

Keep up the good work! For sure things are going on they don't want us to know about.

posted on Sep, 29 2019 @ 02:09 PM
a reply to: Kalamitous

Heck no Kalamitous, I apologize if it sounds that way Sometimes the Misses says the same especially before my AM coffee... just a bit tone deaf

I always try to re-read my posts to make sure they don't come off as me being a jerk, but I really did enjoy the graphic and had a good laugh especially since I watched Arrival recently!

Thanks a million for the reply my friend

posted on Oct, 2 2019 @ 02:38 PM

Here is a graphic showing some size comparisons between the area surrounding Papoose and common items/locations from Groom Lake and one is even from Las Vegas (showing cars and semi's). This helps with determining size and scale

Link to image:

Here is a closer-up graphic showing various sizes (human shoulder width, vehicle length, Sport Model) compared to the surrounding hills/mountains/dry lake/roads/etc.

Link to image:

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posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 12:54 AM
a reply to: JBurns

"notice the clear line of hangar doors"
no, I don't
edit on 12Fri, 08 Nov 2019 00:54:22 -0600America/Chicago191220190000001108_ by nepatitan because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 01:20 AM
a reply to: Kalamitous

I'd downvote this if I could. There's no reason to be flippant.

Read the room.

ETA: and further, in my opinion, OP was being nice by laughing at your joke and appreciating you even took a look at it. You have to understand, by now, that the degree of ridicule this subject has received, even after that ridicule has been outed as an overt dis-info tactic(if you didn't know that, read the Robertson Panel, et al). If I had found something I thought was interesting enough to share, and you photoshopped the product of my work to make a hilarious meme, my response would not have been nearly as kind.

Why don't you try contributing to the thread, using your clearly well-advised graphics arts degree, to either prove or disprove the assertions of the OP, in good faith.

And you probably don't deserve this tirade, you probably just managed to be the one to hit the pressure-relief valve.

edit on 8-11-2019 by Zelun because: further

posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 02:09 AM

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: JBurns
It is obvious something is out there that is either alien or from the future and maybe both.
We are not alone and we have the proof now.

Or it's from the present and the science behind it is classified deeper than deep, just like every other project coming out of the Nellis range.

I remember an anecdote about the SR-71, I believe, that involved mounting the airframe up on a post so we could test it's radar cross-section in a controlled fashion. We knew when the USSR spy satellites were within view, so during those times we'd have to put a tarp over it. The Russians managed to infer the shape of the thing up on the mast by analyzing the heat signature of it's shadow on the desert surface, over many iterations.

These "ufos" that come up in tabloid reporting, I think, are largely fully terrestrial contraptions. I believe the mechanism of their propulsion has been public knowledge for decades(nearly a century now), but is considered "fringe" and discounted by pop-science reporting. I think poor Bob was used as a conduit for disinformation. You don't need an antimatter reaction to achieve gravitic propulsion, I think a small nuclear reactor would suffice. One of the aneutronic fusion reactors Philo Farnsworth broke ground on(yes, the inventor of television,) I think, would do nicely. At first, especially for the little "sport models" Lazar was describing, I think the gigawatt range of discretionary power would suffice. But that was back in the '50s-'60s. Imagine what we can do now! Phoenix lights ring a bell?

These public demonstrations are meant to reinforce this notion that this deep, dark, secret part of what used to be termed as the MIC, but now is more like the Military, Industrial, Computational, Financial, Intelligence Complex(MICFIC) needs more power and influence in order to combat this "alien threat," thus the phased disclosure of Navy footage of their own test flights, yada yada. I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but the 'Gimbal' footage is named as such because it was filmed on a gimbal, which is a type of camera mount. In other words, they classified the footage by the means by which it was filmed. Doesn't that raise any eyebrows? As if the filmed object was less important than the type of camera mount used...

posted on Nov, 8 2019 @ 06:13 AM
This must be late april's fools because I really don't see anything

posted on Nov, 16 2019 @ 03:56 PM

originally posted by: Kalamitous

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: JBurns

Not sure what you see.

Does this help?

Yes, it helps. After some careful analysis and professional photo enhancement, everything is much clearer now. I can't believe anyone missed this.

You missed Mothra shooting wings at the alien serpent (its accurate to videogame lore!).

Also that might be Batman swooping in from the left.
edit on 16-11-2019 by merka because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 04:57 PM
a reply to: nepatitan

I can help you out with that

I know, I know, for some reason Google Earth in all of its accuracy can't be counted on due to some obscure feature of terrain stretching. Very complicated. That's why I did the runaround on GE and found this unlisted/uncategorized decade-old gem on

Closer examination reveals:

S-4 @ Papoose Lake, shown above

This isn't a natural feature, nor does any part of the lake share these anomalies. Additionally, dozens+ sets of tracks lead directly to the entrance of this facility. The same facility Bob Lazar revealed without the help of satellite imagery and such. No possible way he just so happened to draw a bead on the precise location sporting these very unusual anomalies (consistent with hidden hangar doors, in fact)

Care to refute those findings? Can you show me another natural formation sporting 9 indentations precisely as Bob said there would be?

For the record, without the DEM data this location shows up relatively flat on GE despite the anomalies still being present.

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posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 05:08 PM
Furthermore, we have a credible eye-witness to more than one claim by Lazar. There is just too much there, and the efforts against him reak of government interference/meddling/etc.

Bob is a credible, genuine guy. The government? Proven liars with a corrupt agenda who are never trustworthy. Bob has presented fact after fact, while the government has never taken a single step to address the story that put GL on the map and revealed (IMO) the innermost details of our government's illegal activities (up to and including the crime of hiding these craft, suppression of science, etc)

If there's nothing at Papoose, why not simply escort George Knapp and others out there to see it themselves? In my experience, folks only hide things when they are lying about something and don't want to get spanked for it.

posted on Nov, 18 2019 @ 05:12 PM
Can anybody help me locate the name of the Air Force service member's testimony RE: S-4 from the latest episode of the TV program "Ancient Aliens"

Yes, very tabloid-esque show. Still, great research/researchers and this guy was no different

In fact, an indepedent witness (confirmed to work at Groom) stated that a small group did in fact board the blacked-out bus and head south. Additionally he claimed to have known about "S-4" itself (at least in passing) despite not knowing its purpose.

posted on Dec, 3 2019 @ 06:36 PM
a reply to: JBurns

Very nice find, S&F for you!

Since I couldn't find it elsewhere, I decided to include it because you never know what will be useful to whom and when

My chief image analyst has taken a look at your find, and has sent me a few preliminary enhancements.

He thinks you are definitely onto something.

Turns out your images are from an ISS mission, and from the NASA domain we were able to download the image information -

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Here a couple of initial enhancements, more to come in the next few days.

Here are a couple of examples or our Forensic Image Analyses performed on footage by Bob Lazar of gravity propulsion craft at Area 51 -

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B -

edit on 3-12-2019 by A51Watcher because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 4 2019 @ 12:27 PM
So a few things here.

First off stuff in overheads can look like alot of stuff and at the resolution commercial images are its easy to see one thing when its another

Back in like 2005 here on ATS we had a research groom looking into Groom Lake and we also looks a bit at Papoose. One fo the things we noted when we pulled the USGS 7.5 minute topos for the area there are quite a few uranium mines in and around the Papoose Range and Groom. Those hanger doors could very well be tailing piles.

If you interested in a deeper dive and analysis Tom Mahood's primer is an excellent start. Its a bit dated but its not like there is a ton of new stuff out there anyway

Fair warning both Mr. Mahood and myself think Lazars claims and the possibility that S4 (FYI the whole Site 4 stuff is actually a spot at the TTR) is the alien hanger is nonsense
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posted on Dec, 12 2019 @ 11:22 AM
a reply to: A51Watcher

Amazing work!!! Very glad you could authenticate the source of the photo and the metadata surrounding it

That is much better than I was able to do. Any insight and knowledge you can share is greatly appreciated

Please check your U2U message as well:
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posted on Dec, 12 2019 @ 12:15 PM
a reply to: FredT

Fred, when I finally release all of my findings they will include a first of its kind view as well that isn't overhead and isn't miles away. I can not say another word about this but I got a very well known name in UFOlogy involved as well. If you U2U me, I will give you a few more details but I'd rather not post them here!

However, we already know Google resources are tampered with (voluntary NSA access, key escrow, etc). The anomalies do show up on GE, but are distorted and generally "flat but fake-3D" if that makes sense. These *are* visible on GE although it looks nothing like it does on the true overhead view

And as far as USGS maps go, is the USGS sending surveyors directly to the site? Or are they simply taking the Government's word on it? For instance, does the Nellis range employ its own surveyors who simply turn their work over to the USGS? I analyzed other spoilings/mine entrances/support areas and they are all quite distinct yet very noticable. None resemble a row of hangar doors inset into the hillside, and yet that is precisely what the anomaly appears to indicate. Even the measurements are right

One of the things we noted when we pulled the USGS 7.5 minute topos for the area there are quite a few uranium mines in and around the Papoose Range and Groom. Those hanger doors could very well be tailing piles.

There are indeed, but none are noted to be near the location Lazar dropped a pin-point on in 1989. Franky, he could have just as easily claimed he worked on this inside a regular old hangar. He didn't. Instead, he draws a bead on a precise location and I've always thought it was interesting... which is why I never gave up on searching for the installation.

Isn't it unusual that this string of anomalies show up precisely where he described in the manner he described?

I know, he could have heard of the facility from peripheral work on the range or even been a support staffer/tech at Groom or something. But the fact these anomalies exist on the jag he referenced but not elsewhere is very unusual.

posted on Dec, 12 2019 @ 02:09 PM

Has anyone looked at A51Watcher's team analysis of Bob's video? Incredible work!!

Wish I could give this more S&F

posted on Dec, 14 2019 @ 02:44 PM
More non-GE imagery of this area (assorted cameras/wavelengths/satellites)

GE imagery (various years)

And a noted version of the NASA image, which I am trying to make a poster out of (for my own personal use, feel free to use it also)

Another one I want to make a print picture with

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