DOJ Moves To Block Democrats Hypothetical Removal Proceedings Impeachment Fakery

a reply to: Lumenari

It's Not All About President Trump with " These " People Anymore , they have Bigger Fish to Fry Now , the People Who Support him . If They Want a War , so Be It ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes, there is that objection also, though I don't think
that is the main argument. Main argument is that
any potential impeachment proceeding in Congress
wouldn't be considered a "judicial proceeding" under law.

he Justice Department also argued there is a "continuing need for secrecy" about recent grand jury proceedings because there are several investigations still underway that grew out of Mueller's probe, according to Friday's filing.

www.wjhg.com...

RE-checked and RE-balanced !!😎

House is in total chaos 😎

Time for a Chick-fil-a 😎

a reply to: burntheships

I found this: judiciary.house.gov...

It's the House Judiciary Committee application for "certain grand jury materials.

It was posted July 26th, 2019. So, it has nothing to do with yesterday's committee vote on rules for the investigation.

originally posted by: xuenchen
RE-checked and RE-balanced !!😎

House is in total chaos 😎

What will they do next?

I shudder to think.....

Personally, I think this most recent and worthless dog and pony show of Nadler's was just to distract from all of the news breaking on the upcoming DOJ Inspector General's report and the fact that Andrew McCabe is most likely going to be charged by federal prosecutors, since the DOJ rejected his recent appeal.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: burntheships

I found this: judiciary.house.gov...

It's the House Judiciary Committee application for "certain grand jury materials.

It was posted July 26th, 2019. So, it has nothing to do with yesterday's committee vote on rules for the investigation.

Seen this?

Chairman Schiff Issues Subpoena for Whistleblower Complaint Being Unlawfully Withheld by Acting DNI from Intelligence Committees

Committee learned that the complaint involves confidentially and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community and the ODNI refused to rule out that the underlying conduct relates to an area of active investigation by the Committee, raising serious concerns that the whistleblower complaint is being withheld to protect the President or other Administration officials.

a reply to: Liquesence

I wonder if that has anything to do with Dan Coats' resignation.

Things that make you go "hmmm"...

a reply to: Liquesence

In addition, Schiff slammed Maguire for consulting the Justice Department about the whistleblower complaint "even though the statute does not provide you discretion to review, appeal, reverse, or countermand in any way the [inspector general's] independent determination, let alone to involve another entity within the Executive Branch."

Why on earth would Schiff slam the Director of National Intelligence for consulting with the DOJ about the whistleblower complaint? It's not like Congress has the power to do anything with these complaints except turn them back over to the DOJ for prosecution and/or correction anyway. As far as I can tell, Schiff doesn't even know who or what the complaint is about to begin with. As far as Schiff knows, it could be related to an investigation that the DOJ is already working on to present to a grand jury. That's reason enough to withhold it from Congress for the time being.

originally posted by: Liquesence

DOJ Moves To Block Democrats Hypothetical Removal Proceedings Impeachment Fakery

You mean DOJ tries to prevent Congress from exercising its Constitutional right, granted to it by the Constitution of the United States of America?

That should concern every American, but apparently some think it's just fine.

Nice move from the DOJ to preserve the rule of law!

You mean subvert the rule of law and Congress's Constitutional right of checks and balances against the executive branch?

That is a lie. They can initiate impeachment. What they can't do is not initiate it and then demand files as if they had.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Liquesence

DOJ Moves To Block Democrats Hypothetical Removal Proceedings Impeachment Fakery

You mean DOJ tries to prevent Congress from exercising its Constitutional right, granted to it by the Constitution of the United States of America?

That should concern every American, but apparently some think it's just fine.

Nice move from the DOJ to preserve the rule of law!

You mean subvert the rule of law and Congress's Constitutional right of checks and balances against the executive branch?

That is a lie. They can initiate impeachment. What they can't do is not initiate it and then demand files as if they had.

Wrong.

They can investigate what they want, and request or subpoena information, when they suspect criminality. They have the right to oversight. It's a constitutional right.

Then, they can impeach when they have facts/evidence.

But I know you guys hate the Constitution because "Dear Leader" and all.

a reply to: Liquesence

Wrong.

Some things are off limits, even to Congress.

If Nadler wants grand jury testimony that hasn't been redacted, he has to prove that he needs it for an OFFICIAL impeachment investigation.

If Nadler wants to legally see Trump's tax returns, he has to prove that he wants it in order to create and pass legislation for tax law purposes. Otherwise, Nadler has to settle for the financial declarations that Trump fills out and gives to Congress each year.

ETA: SUSPECTING criminality is not enough. They can not go looking for a crime, but if they are ever able to gather enough evidence from someone else showing that a crime has been committed, then by all means, investigate to get further evidence. Based on Mueller's report, there was not enough evidence to prove that crimes were committed, based on law. Mueller's own report shows that difficulties with laws and facts kept the Special Counsel from making a determination on whether or not laws had been broken.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Liquesence

DOJ Moves To Block Democrats Hypothetical Removal Proceedings Impeachment Fakery

You mean DOJ tries to prevent Congress from exercising its Constitutional right, granted to it by the Constitution of the United States of America?

That should concern every American, but apparently some think it's just fine.

Nice move from the DOJ to preserve the rule of law!

You mean subvert the rule of law and Congress's Constitutional right of checks and balances against the executive branch?

That is a lie. They can initiate impeachment. What they can't do is not initiate it and then demand files as if they had.

Wrong.

They can investigate what they want, and request or subpoena information, when they suspect criminality. They have the right to oversight. It's a constitutional right.

Then, they can impeach when they have facts/evidence.

But I know you guys hate the Constitution because "Dear Leader" and all.

It's a smart political maneuver; from now on the party holding the house but not holding the white house can "suspect criminality" in the president and with only 24 votes can proceed to use all congressional powers to conduct opposition research on their political opponent. Its much cleaner and easier to manage than weaponizing the FBI.

Of course one day the American people will get tired of the theatrics; but for now it makes for a good show.

a reply to: burntheships

Didn't Dems tried to impeach Trump twice and did not even have the votes in the house? Like how many times do you want pie in your face until u give up? Why not work on fixing the mess in America instead of impeachment that got voted down 2 times. When is enough? Getting voted down 50 times???

a reply to: Agit8dChop

First amendment grants you the right to spout stupidity. We don't hang people for that, in this country.

a reply to: burntheships

Bravo!

I was looking around for that original "Hair on fire" emoji dude running back and forth on the screen.

Could not find it, but it sure fits the background for this event.

originally posted by: ambassado12
a reply to: burntheships

Didn't Dems tried to impeach Trump twice and did not even have the votes in the house? Like how many times do you want pie in your face until u give up? Why not work on fixing the mess in America instead of impeachment that got voted down 2 times. When is enough? Getting voted down 50 times???

I think so, yes. And this was after they spent a year
framing and entrapping, and then years of a rigged
Special Counsel that failed to find a way to remove
the president.

AKA known as a Coup.

At first I thought this was all resistance to Trump,
but now I am convinced this had been the Dems
long game for decades. Chaos, socialism, then
a take over by fascist deep state dictators.

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Pyle

Again, The House did not vote to approve impeachment proceedings.

What about this is so difficult to understand?

So they have no power of a judicial probe, because they
are not authorized to do so. And yes, tough as it is
for them there are laws that must be followed.

The House tabled the vote, here is video of
that happening.

The point many of you are missing is you don’t need a vote in the house to start an impeachment inquiry. They could do a vote on the floor if they wanted to slap an extra official sticker on things but they don’t need to do it. Hell Nixon impeachment investigation started in the house judiciary committee 4 months before a floor vote to start all of the house on the investigation.

You DO NEED a vote before you send impeachment to the senate, like the Video you linked was for sending charges to the senate for trial.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Liquesence

In addition, Schiff slammed Maguire for consulting the Justice Department about the whistleblower complaint "even though the statute does not provide you discretion to review, appeal, reverse, or countermand in any way the [inspector general's] independent determination, let alone to involve another entity within the Executive Branch."

Why on earth would Schiff slam the Director of National Intelligence for consulting with the DOJ about the whistleblower complaint? It's not like Congress has the power to do anything with these complaints except turn them back over to the DOJ for prosecution and/or correction anyway. As far as I can tell, Schiff doesn't even know who or what the complaint is about to begin with. As far as Schiff knows, it could be related to an investigation that the DOJ is already working on to present to a grand jury. That's reason enough to withhold it from Congress for the time being.

Because the complaint isn’t supposed to go to the DOJ. The complaints are supposed to be handled by people outside the normal chain such as the Office of Special Consuel.