Should we ban folks from changing race/race changes - Ban Transracialism?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JAGStorm

You understand that they are now applying a scoring criteria to one of the college admittance exams (either SAT or ACT) that seeks to weight the persons raw score by their "adversity" score meaning factors like eithnicity can add or detract points from the overall score?

Knowing that, race and racial issues become important.

They scraped that

www.nytimes.com...

As far as I know they haven't scrapped their diversity programs.
Oddly enough every diversity program is ran by a minority so they are not very diverse...
How ironic...

We're talking about the tests, not the colleges, get your coffee late this morning

But speaking of diversity programs, I don't have statistics on colleges but I'm willing to bet you are wrong about them being "run" by minorities. Not sure about schools but I worked for several fortune 500 companies, I can guarantee you the diversity program was overseen by a white male, and all major decisions had to be approved as such. They would have an honorary Black person, or Hispanic, or Asian as the "face" but behind the scenes were white males, every time. I have direct knowledge of this as I created one had meetings with many others in different companies. The same goes for many of the "women" groups and other affinity groups.

Like I said I wish we could get over it and just be humans, unfortunately we are still quite far from it.

No, people can be as idiotic as they want if it's not hurting anyone.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Well I dont know about that.
Race was taken into consideration on test scores for college admission along with racial diversity.
Two kids with the same score and the white male is out of luck.
This fits right into the ops topic of choosing race and genders. Claiming specific races would definitely help in college admissions.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: tanstaafl

Race is fully identity based. According to the US government census documentation.

Sorry, the US government doesn't have the authority to change natural law.

Race is fully genetics based.

Regardless, it simply should not matter. I agree with Notoneforyou - Citizen, Not Citizen, check box and move on.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JAGStorm

But only because people found out about it and complained, not because they decided it was wrong and not because the colleges in question were protesting or refusing to use it.

Btw, as someone who has Asian ancestry, your kids are going to be on the outside in this as much as mine are. Asians are as discriminated against as whites when it comes to academic diversity marks because y'all are just too high achieving so it's not fair to others who can't be bothered to raise their own kids to work hard and do well in school.

Oh believe me I know, we are held to the highest standard of all. Waiting to see what happens with the Harvard ruling.
I am 100% against affirmative action, and truly believe we should all be equal and that is the opposite of equal.

Ah, but we're talking about people who have a different definition of equal than you or I do.

When we think of equal, we think about everyone knowing approximately what sorts of things will be on the test, knowing when the test will be, and everyone gets about the same amount of time to prepare and then we all go in and take the same test. We all had the same opportunity to be ready for the same test. Equal opportunity.

They think we all should have equal outcomes, meaning that if society is 12% blue folks, 40% orange folks, 23% turquoise folks, and 25% folks who have stars, the same percentage of each type of person should end up doing well on the test and be represented in every walk of life everywhere all over.

But if turquoise folks just don't care about taking tests at all as a matter of culture, then they aren't likely going to do well on a test, so you won't see 23% of the people who do well being turquoise folks. And if blue folks are test taking demons, then you'll see way more successful blue folks than the 12% they are overall.

The people we're talking about don't take such things into account in their thought process. If the end results are numerically skewed from what they expect, then there must be some sort of sinister reason for it and not natural factors intrinsic to the groups themselves, ever.

a reply to: ketsuko

They think we all should have equal outcomes

I'm sure you'll enjoy this:

Diaraye Diallo — a black Muslim 18-year-old and soon-to-be college student — is glad the College Board will be providing schools with information about a student's hardships. She's one of four siblings raised by a single mom in Denver, and she said the idea of admissions officers judging her by her GPA and SAT score is frustrating.

www.npr.org...

judging her by her GPA and SAT score is frustrating.

judging her by her GPA and SAT score is frustrating.

judging her by her GPA and SAT score is frustrating.

judging her by her GPA and SAT score is frustrating.

Trans-racial.

(XD)

any pricing info for the transition? I'm figuring, there will be no hormones avail for the race-switch?

"i was born into wrong race". Uhh, oh, tee hee, MMM-Kay...

HUMAN RACE MATTERS FFS

PS. trans-racial issues in mind, is there any equivalent for the word CIS-gender? I just would like to amuse myself. Anyone have a clue whats the equivalent for a hu-man who feels he/she/just-no has been born into the "right race" or "the race im supposed to be as judged by others"? Any takes?

Sorry for the broken language. Too thrilled i guess.

Truly amusing. Did not and will not read more than the headline.

a reply to: JAGStorm

It's like the people whining because all the photos of historical high achievers in a field are white or Asian men, so they want them taken down.

It makes me grit my teeth in frustration. Instead of letting it alienate them, why doesn't it inspire them? So no one in your particular category is up there? Them that means you can be the first one to do it! Put on your big girl panties and go out and win! Don't knuckle and under into the fetal position and cry.

I always liked it because it mean there were still mountains to be climbed, uncharted places to explore, but these modern panty-waists want to go where others have already boldly gone because I guess if someone else hasn't then they don't think they can or something.



Edna has it right Remind them who you are. Go! Confront the problem. Fight! Win!

But for Heaven's sake, don't think you are fixing anything by trying to erase the problem. It's still there. None of you have distinguished yourselves, so one of you needs to or else you are still mired in mediocrity and not comparable to the great ones of the past even if you can't see their pictures any more.

originally posted by: BomSquad
More importantly, why should anyone care what "race" you are in the first place?

I care, I like the differences. I like asking someone where their family lineage comes from, and getting to know more about it.

And while in the end, there are more similarities than differences typically, some want to act like we're all exactly the same, but we're not.

Then, others act like we can never bridge gaps because it's impossible to change who we are, I also disagree with this.

But in the end, most people are scared to talk about race, and that's a damn shame. The more we take the taboo away from it, the better off we'll be. We should be able to point things out, look at data, and joke (as long as it's just a joke). I'll be doing all of these things myself, because frankly, I don't give a f### about "what's proper", I'll drum to my own beat.

originally posted by: Topelius
Trans-racial.

(XD)

any pricing info for the transition? I'm figuring, there will be no hormones avail for the race-switch?

"i was born into wrong race". Uhh, oh, tee hee, MMM-Kay...

HUMAN RACE MATTERS FFS

PS. trans-racial issues in mind, is there any equivalent for the word CIS-gender? I just would like to amuse myself. Anyone have a clue whats the equivalent for a hu-man who feels he/she/just-no has been born into the "right race" or "the race im supposed to be as judged by others"? Any takes?

Sorry for the broken language. Too thrilled i guess.

Truly amusing. Did not and will not read more than the headline.

I guess you'd make up the word "cis-racial".

Dunno, example - a white Swedish dude born in Sweden, then later identifies as Han Chinese, learns Mandarin to the point of fluency and immerses himself in Chinese culture etc.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: BomSquad

Exactly.

Why is this even a question being asked anymore?

Someone mark this date down. Sillyolme and I agreed on something!

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: BomSquad
More importantly, why should anyone care what "race" you are in the first place?

This is an issue for society in general, as a whole.

You seem to be living in a fantasy land where you think everybody is a lovey-dovey liberal who loves mass immigration and wants everything to be free.

Okay...

I believe the biggest reason this is an issue for society in general is because people keep making it an issue. All human beings are part of the same race, the HUMAN RACE.

That doesn't mean that we do not have distinct cultural differences. We are not homogeneous, but I think we should be at the point where our physical appearance should not be a means of dividing us.

I'd like to think we can evolve enough so that people "will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. " - Martin Luther King Jr.

"So, let us not be blind to our differences--but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal." - John F. Kennedy

originally posted by: Necrobile
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Well what about mixed race people like me?? More often than not I don't like putting my race on anything, but some places don't give you the option not to. So sometimes I'll put white, sometimes I'll put hispanic. Both are technically right.

Really, BomSquad has the best point. None of this should matter, and places shouldn't be allowed to prevent one from declining the race question in general.

When asked race write out Human.

a reply to: tanstaafl

You mean Ethnicity because there is one Race on earth. Human.

a reply to: BomSquad

Amen to that

a reply to: Sillyolme

Awsome , we found something we can agree on

Isnt that what Hitler did when he stole Aryan 'race' from Indo-Iranians and even now today northern Europeans masquerade under that misnomer?

Ditto with Vedic civilization's swastika. Why do supremists ironically steal ethnic identifiers and masquerade them as their own?

originally posted by: Necrobile

originally posted by: Sillyolme
You seem to have immigration and race mixed up because to hear the tale from the right the immigration issue has nothing to do with race.
Obviously it does and always has.

Now that's not true as well, I believe we need stronger immigration control and I for one support the wall. Am I racist against my own kind?? Am I a "Tio Tom"?? You'd be surprised how many hispanic people actually support this stuff.

Hey look, some people just know better than we do what our legal Hispanic relatives feel about these issues. We're just gonna have to accept that. /s

Oh and we are traitors to our kind, don't forget!

originally posted by: tulsi
Isnt that what Hitler did when he stole Aryan 'race' from Indo-Iranians and even now today northern Europeans masquerade under that misnomer?

Ditto with Vedic civilization's swastika. Why do supremists ironically steal ethnic identifiers and masquerade them as their own?

No clue why Hitler stole from other cultures. Bizarre dude, bizarre regime, bizarre era.