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Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate -- September 12, 2019

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posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris
there is no thing called "the popular vote"
take your fake participation trophy elsewhere

next time learn what the rules actually are bub



Bub? LOL.

Yes, the popular vote is a real thing. It does not determine who becomes President, but it remains a fact that the majority of the people that live in the USA voted for HRC over Trump by such a large margin that the only time someone lost the popular vote by that percentage and still became President only won because a special commission gave it to him (Rutherford Hayes).

Objectively, it is very weird to me to see people so manipulated by Wingnut propaganda that they ape things like "The popular vote does not exist". It is weird cult like stuff, like I imagine you chanting it along with "Trump is the Chosen One" and "The Chosen One speaks only truth, all others lie, news is fake".

The popular vote exists. It does not determine President, the electoral college does. Trump is the least popular president to ever hold office...from the day he was elected by the electoral college and throughout his presidency.

See...those are just mathematical facts. You can accept reality and still support a candidate.

What makes his losing the popular vote by such a huge margin interesting is that HRC was a really sucky candidate, Comey's announcement, Russia's propaganda help and Trump still lost the popular vote by a record breaking margin.

Just trying to help you escape the bubble, but alas you might not find value in reality.

And BTW, pssst, I am a fan of the Electoral College. It is necessary and a good mechanism to preserve the representative rights of individual states and counties and the diverse needs of the nation.

To declare the popular vote an unimportant indicator is idiotic is utterly idiotic. To declare it doesn't exist is mental illness.


edit on 16-9-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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Yes, the popular vote is a real thing. It does not determine who becomes President, but it remains a fact that the majority of the people that live in the USA voted for HRC over Trump by such a large margin that the only time someone lost the popular vote by that percentage and still became President only won because a special commission gave it to him (Rutherford Hayes).

lol
hang on to that participation trophy
the real prize was won by the potus
it is in fact the only stat that day that matters
304-227
W



The popular vote exists.

not as any meaningful statistic.
It is weird to see people flaunting a meaningless statistic about an election.
You do understand trump got more electoral votes than kennedy?
Who knew he was more successful than the last decent democrat?




HRC was a really sucky candidate

Well to be honest, a sucky person in general, but your description is also accurate.
Wonder why the dnc, and you apparently continue to support such a loser?



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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The popular vote exists. It does not determine President

Any mathematical construct can be said to "exist." That does not make it relevant.

The only relevance the popular vote has is to try and (again!) discredit the free and fair election of a President. Win at any cost; reality be damned; the will of the people of the states be damned; WE SHOULD HAVE WON! That is first grade BS, and it's getting old and stale. Grow up, put on the big boy pants, and get over it.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

not as any meaningful statistic.
It is weird to see people flaunting a meaningless statistic about an election.



5 times in history a President has won an election while losing the popular vote.

58 elections for POTUS in our history thus far.

91% of the time the candidate that wins the popular vote becomes President.

8% of Presidents lost the popular vote and still became President.

2% the number of candidates that lost the popular vote by a greater margin than Trump and still became POTUS (Rutherford Hayes - Special Commission)

0% where a President won while losing the popular vote by a greater percentage margin than Trump. (Excepting a Special Commission for Hayes, neither electoral college nor popular vote)

Yep, not correlation there.

I hope whatever you get from the cult is worth what you have sacrificed to the Orange God, like basic reason, logic and any understanding of math.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris


The popular vote exists. It does not determine President

Any mathematical construct can be said to "exist." That does not make it relevant.

The only relevance the popular vote has is to try and (again!) discredit the free and fair election of a President.


So you believe there is no correlation between popular vote and winning?

Glad I decided not to take you up on a Vector Math tutorial. You might have told me that magnitude is irrelevant.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: Extorris



I hope whatever you get from the cult is worth what you have sacrificed to the Orange God, like basic reason, logic and any understanding of math.

It appears it is you that has an issue with math.
304-227 is pretty easy to understand.
Better than JFK.
That is a pretty high standard imo.
Trump got the W.
Your nasty hag did not.

You can cry about it till the cows come home.
Won't change it.
Won't help the gun grabbing, tax raising, socialists on the stage in the debate win this time either.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris
WE SHOULD HAVE WON! That is first grade BS, and it's getting old and stale. Grow up, put on the big boy pants, and get over it.

TheRedneck


You guys really are bizarre. It is a full on brain corrupting cult.

Trump won. Dems earned their loss. Even with a Russian Prop campaign, a candidate has to be spectacularly weak to lose to Trump. HRC ran a bad campaign and she was a weak candidate to begin with. She phoned it in and voters stayed home.

That does not automatically make Trump a good President. He barely got elected, 70k votes over 3 states and he has become much less popular since then, both in those states and across the country.

Trump literally has the lowest average approval rating of any president in history since the measure has been taken, and that is with a hot economy!

So weird that the Trump cult can not acknowledge any reality. Objectively, support Trump or don't, ignoring reality is a really bad idea, just ask HRC's campaign.

Trump will lose to any candidate not named Clinton. Actually if there was a redo, I am pretty sure 70k voters over tthree states would make a point to leave the house this time and vote since everyone thought last time it was a given HRC would win and no one will make that mistake in 2020.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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Trump won. Dems earned their loss.

true



That does not automatically make Trump a good President.

who said it did or he is?



So weird that the Trump cult can not acknowledge any reality.

the "reality" is the only thing that matters is 304-227
the rest you have brought is fluff




Actually if there was a redo

who is lecturing who on reality now?
lol
nice try



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

Won't help the gun grabbing, tax raising, socialists on the stage in the debate win this time either.



See, there is that bubble.
You might not have noticed, but apart from Tumpites, no one is listening to wingnuts anymore.
Your party has utterly spent any credibility you had left, Completely bankrupt after a few years of endless lies.

Your mailman could beat Trump in 2020 and no one is listening to right wing BS except the right wing.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 10:57 AM
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a reply to: Extorris
well
this thread right here is an example of your bubble
democratic candidates espoused the platform I quoted
no one wants gun confiscation
no one wants higher taxes
no one wants the new green deal
no one wants socialism

these are all on the dnc 2020 platform

it has nothing to do with "my party" or "Trumpites" except in your head

good luck with that tho



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Extorris

Hard to beat 58 elections that won the Electoral Vote 58 times😃



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:17 AM
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So Trump won with 70k Votes across Wisc, Mich and PA.

When Trump took office, his Net approval in WI was +6, now it is -13 (19% drop)
When Trump took office his Net Approval in MI was +8, now it is -13 (21% drop)
When Trump took office his net approval in PA was +10, now it is -9 (19% drop)

Iowa has gone from +9 to -9 approval..

This is why the RNC has told it's congress members they won't share Trump's popularity numbers this election. First time ever.

morningconsult.com...



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Extorris

Hard to beat 58 elections that won the Electoral Vote 58 times😃


57. Hayes didn't win either popular vote or electoral college.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:23 AM
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a lamp post could beat the jackasses in the debate
trump won 304-227
send that guy up who is going to round up ak47s and ar15s
send that guy up who wants to socialize the health care system
send obamas failed vp up
send the mayor up with the green new deal
send up castro and open borders


america does not want their crap

you can't seem to grasp that hillary would wipe the floor with those in the debate
and trump beat her like a cherokee drum

they are simply out of touch with mainstream america



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: shooterbrody

So Trump won with 70k Votes across Wisc, Mich and PA.

When Trump took office, his Net approval in WI was +6, now it is -13 (19% drop)
When Trump took office his Net Approval in MI was +8, now it is -13 (21% drop)
When Trump took office his net approval in PA was +10, now it is -9 (19% drop)

Iowa has gone from +9 to -9 approval..

This is why the RNC has told it's congress members they won't share Trump's popularity numbers this election. First time ever.

morningconsult.com...

In the North Carolina special election, those same polls had the Republican down by 15 points 3 weeks before the elections. And he ended up winning it. Oopsie.



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: shooterbrody

So Trump won with 70k Votes across Wisc, Mich and PA.

When Trump took office, his Net approval in WI was +6, now it is -13 (19% drop)
When Trump took office his Net Approval in MI was +8, now it is -13 (21% drop)
When Trump took office his net approval in PA was +10, now it is -9 (19% drop)

Iowa has gone from +9 to -9 approval..

This is why the RNC has told it's congress members they won't share Trump's popularity numbers this election. First time ever.

morningconsult.com...

In the North Carolina special election, those same polls had the Republican down by 15 points 3 weeks before the elections. And he ended up winning it. Oopsie.


You ate the BS.

Most of the polls before the election showed the Republican winning, then some put into a margin of error toss-up, but never did any reasonable poll show the Republican down by 15 points.

That is Propaganda made to make wingnuts feel good about support eroding in a district that has gone GOP for almost 60 years.



Politico reported late last week that internal Republican polls give state Sen. Dan Bishop (R) a narrow 2-4 point lead, while Democratic internals had veteran and 2018 nominee Dan McCready (D) up a point.
An independent poll conducted by Democratic pollster Clarity Campaign Labs and Republican Harper Polling for handicapping site Inside Elections had McCready up four points;
another, by the Republican-leaning election analysis site Red Racing Horses, showed Bishop up a point.

crystalball.centerforpolitics.org...

Bishop won by 2 points, last election (that wasn't fraud) in 2016 GOP carried the district by 19 points.




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posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: Extorris
even msnbc and cnn dont want a dem candidate that is going to confiscate guns
they have all said they will except biden

trump is mediocre at best
but he is miles ahead of the lot in the debate

the dnc needed to raise the bar, instead they lowered it by a lot



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Extorris
a lamp post could beat the jackasses in the debate






posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 11:52 AM
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So you believe there is no correlation between popular vote and winning?

That is correct. Any correlation is indirect and thus irrelevant.


Glad I decided not to take you up on a Vector Math tutorial. You might have told me that magnitude is irrelevant.

I never offered you a tutorial. I challenged you to a contest. I charge $20/hour for tutoring on contract, $30 an hour for one-time services, one hour minimum per visit. How would you like to pay?

As for a contest... like we like to say here... any time you feel froggy, hoss, you go ahead and jump.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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Trump won.

Waiting on the "but"...


That does not automatically make Trump a good President. He barely got elected, 70k votes over 3 states and he has become much less popular since then, both in those states and across the country.

There it is!

Barely got elected... that's like barely pregnant. There's no such thing. He was elected, be it by a single vote or tens of millions. It only exists in your mind as some sort of mental salve to ease those hurt feelings. Well, the rest of us are tired of hearing it. This is exactly what has drug the DNC down to the level of complete irrelevancy it is achieving. The Democrats took over the House in 2018... but can they pass a bill? No... they refuse to work with the Republicans in charge of the Senate, so nothing much passes the Senate. If something ever did, it would be vetoed.

They can't even get their act together on how to impeach the President, despite starting calls for it before the man ever took office! I'm still waiting for one evidenced example of a "high crime or misdemeanor." Just one. "Being mean to us" is not a high crime or misdemeanor.

All they (you) can do is complain and point unfounded rumors. "Look at his approval polls!" So what? DNC operatives funded/ran those polls. I could take a crayon and draw the Mona Lisa... doesn't make it real. "Look at all the scandals!" Yep, scandals all started by the DNC and their henchmen, the MSM... and that are regularly proven not just false, but maliciously manufactured from thin air. No one cares any more. You have cried and whined and complained to the point that it means less than nothing.

What's the difference between a hardened Democrat and a puppy? A puppy will quit whining after 6 weeks.

TheRedneck



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