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Mysterious Object From Interstellar Space Coming Our Way

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posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: odzeandennz




strange you mean it hasn't been observed in our otherwise predictable solar system... yea.. there's nothing we can't explain here. sorry. no aliens


Yes thats what strange means. Something that does not fit into the norm. The debate rages on regarding this object. If out best of minds on the subject disagree on what this is then your not simply going to explain it away with a sentence.




posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Assassin82

you'll find that there's nothing mysterious if you have a trajectory and velocity you can determine an origin...funny Webster used God as a definition...

mysterious is for sensationalists looking to turn science into the new ufology...and get more views on YouTube whilst promoting their merch and patreon ...


So are you saying we were able to figure these things out?



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Assassin82
you'll find that there's nothing mysterious if you have a trajectory and velocity you can determine an origin...funny Webster used God as a definition...
mysterious is for sensationalists looking to turn science into the new ufology...and get more views on YouTube whilst promoting their merch and patreon ...


 
AMEN


the 2017 object from outside the solar system... did not enter the Heliosphere head on--- it came in from the front (bow wave area) but somewhere about 45degrees north, then skirted our SUN, and was flung out towards the constellation Pegasus in our night-sky
((this object is depicted as entering the Bow-Wave front of the Heliosphere from about 20 degrees above the horizontal plane (Galactic orbital plane) ~if the linked diagram is accurate depiction))

this second extra-solar interloper/visitor is from another point of origin than the 2017 object was from, so it's not such a 'mystery' … its only the physics of motion

strange that the whole solar system is just starting to enter a large molecular cloud, but there is no connection to the super fast foreign objects making their passing visitations as the solar system enters a high energy molecular cloud for the next hundreds-of-years


the info sources should be reporting the trajectory/speed, heliosphere entry location to all us interested lay-people & enthusiasts
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posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: purplemer

Why couldn't you just fire a harpoon at it and speed off. Not only could you study it, you could use it to take you to velocities we could only dream about.



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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I'm a little late here.

The paper for I2/Borisov is here:

Interstellar comet 2I/Borisov

Authors:


Piotr Guzik, Michał Drahus, Krzysztof Rusek, Wacław Waniak, Giacomo Cannizzaro, Inés Pastor-Marazuela

(Submitted on 12 Sep 2019)

Abstract:

Interstellar comets penetrating through the Solar System were anticipated for decades. The discovery of non-cometary 1I/'Oumuamua by Pan-STARRS was therefore a huge surprise and puzzle. Furthermore, its physical properties turned out to be impossible to reconcile with Solar System objects, which radically changed our view on interstellar minor bodies. Here, we report the identification of a new interstellar object which has an evidently cometary appearance. The body was identified by our data mining code in publicly available astrometric data. The data clearly show significant systematic deviation from what is expected for a parabolic orbit and are consistent with an enormous orbital eccentricity of 3.14 +/- 0.14. Images taken by the William Herschel Telescope and Gemini North telescope show an extended coma and a faint, broad tail - the canonical signatures of cometary activity. The observed g' and r' magnitudes are equal to 19.32 +/- 0.02 and 18.69 +/- 0.02, respectively, implying g'-r' color index of 0.63 +/- 0.03, essentially the same as measured for the native Solar System comets. The discovery of this object indicates that interstellar comets might be common and creates a tremendous opportunity to study the first such object in detail.

arxiv.org...

However...

I2/Borisov is likely NOT to be the second detected interstellar object. That would go to an asteroid in a retrograde orbit (going the opposite direction than all the other stuff around the sun) called 2015 BZ509.

Paper:

An interstellar origin for Jupiter's retrograde co-orbital asteroid

Authors:


Fathi Namouni, Maria Helena Moreira Morais

Abstract:

Asteroid (514107) 2015 BZ509 was discovered recently in Jupiter's co-orbital region with a retrograde motion around the Sun. The known chaotic dynamics of the outer Solar System have so far precluded the identification of its origin. Here, we perform a high-resolution statistical search for stable orbits and show that asteroid (514107) 2015 BZ509 has been in its current orbital state since the formation of the Solar System. This result indicates that (514107) 2015 BZ509 was captured from the interstellar medium 4.5 billion years in the past as planet formation models cannot produce such a primordial large-inclination orbit with the planets on nearly-coplanar orbits interacting with a coplanar debris disk that must produce the low-inclination small-body reservoirs of the Solar System such as the asteroid and Kuiper belts. This result also implies that more extrasolar asteroids are currently present in the Solar System on nearly-polar orbits.


That sucker has been sitting there for 4.5 billion years. Watching. Waiting. Being totally contrarian. ATS ought to love 2015 BZ509.
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edit on 13-9-2019 by anzha because: good grief I need a weekend.



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: schuyler




Likely a comet.


Was Oumuamua a comet. I had some very strange properties. Comets have tails. This object did not. Its acceleration as an object does not match what we know about comets.




Now in a new study that is currently under peer review, Roman Rafikov, an astrophysicist at the University of Cambridge, argues that the same forces that appeared to have accelerated ’Oumuamua — the same forces that should have also produced a tail — would have also affected its spin. In particular, the acceleration would have torqued ’Oumuamua to such a degree that it would have spun apart, breaking up into smaller pieces. If ’Oumuamua were a comet, he argues, it would not have survived.


www.quantamagazine.org...



It was likely an object that had characteristics of both a comet and an asteroid.

The change in velocity coincided with it warming up due to sunlight, so that is why those studying it said it was comet-like in that respect (it is known that comets will change velocity and can even have a net acceleration due to outgassing).

However, there was no coma (the outgassed material that surrounds a comet like a cloud) that they could observe, which was why those studying it said it was asteroid-like in that respect.

So the likely answer is that it was an asteroid that did exhibit a little bit of comet-like outgassing. Not enough to create enough of a coma to be visible to our instruments, but enough to affect its velocity. And/or it was heated by the sunlight in a way that -- due to its long, thin shape -- might have resulted in change in velocity not expected by those studying it at the time.

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posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
Rendezvous with Rama

The Ramans do everything in threes.

On 19th October 2017 an incoming interstellar object was discovered by Pan-STARRS, a system similar to Spaceguard. Like Rama, the object had an unusually elongated shape. Before the official Hawaiian name 'Oumuamua was selected by the International Astronomical Union, a popular choice was Rama.


ʻOumuamua

Before the official name was decided upon, the name Rama was suggested, the name given to an alien spacecraft discovered under similar circumstances in the 1973 science fiction novel Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke.

ʻOumuamua was compared to the fictional alien spacecraft Rama because of its interstellar origin. Adding to the coincidence, both the real and the fictional objects are unusually elongated.


Dang you beat me to it!



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

Cool that another interstellar thing might be showing up. Now that we're getting a better idea what to look for it might happen more often.

You know what would be cool? If this thing were on the same orbit as Oumuamua.


That is exactly what I was thinking what is it originating course...

if it does have the same trajectory and origin and is again elongated, it could very well be some sort of launch vehicle. Then the next question would be, is there an object that was put in a solar orbit from these spent (launchers?)



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: purplemer




I wonder what this second interstellar object might be



lua koa o kahi koa



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: purplemer




I wonder what this second interstellar object might be

lua koa o kahi koa

Melli kaliki maha.



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: abeverage

Actually, if NASA could get it funded, it's possible to get a probe to Oumuamua. Someone just has to get it through NASA and Congress.

Paper on the subject:

arxiv.org...



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: anzha
a reply to: abeverage

Actually, if NASA could get it funded, it's possible to get a probe to Oumuamua. Someone just has to get it through NASA and Congress.

Paper on the subject:

arxiv.org...


Well we do have the space force...



posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
I want science to ban words like 'mysterious' and 'phenomena'


Exactly..!!

They can be very "triggering", words..!!


And possibly also a little racist towards interstellar visitors...!!


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posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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'Omuamua came at us from the direction of the constellation Lyra, near Vega. Borisov's Comet is arriving from the direction of the constellation Cassiopeia, near the border with Perseus. The two points are widely separated on the celestial sphere. There is no apparent connection of the source of one, with that of the other.
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posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Assassin82

So Oumuamua collected and returned its data and now they're sending a ship to investigate, interesting.

Guess they should be here by Christmas , hope they bring prezzies rather than just deciding to come for lunch.




posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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Just don't call it Wormwood. At least not yet anyway.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Ross 54
'Omuamua came at us from the direction of the constellation Lyra, near Vega. Borisov's Comet is arriving from the direction of the constellation Cassiopeia, near the border with Perseus. The two points are widely separated on the celestial sphere. There is no apparent connection of the source of one, with that of the other.


 


the only common trait the two objects have is that thy are traveling swiftly, in a direction Opposite of the Spin of the Galaxy arms

the 2017 object and the 2019 object might well be debris from a long ago Super Nova's which are directly Ahead of our Solar System, pretty much a 'window' that is 20 degrees larger (up & down and side-to-side) than our Orbit Path which itself moves in a wave action ~~~~~~~~~ in It's 250 million year Galactic Orbit


BTW...how did Fukushima get spelled Wormwood
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posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: Assassin82

No offense but if an object on that trajectory begins "orbiting" Mars, we won't need a spaceship to know what it is.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: Assassin82

No offense but if an object on that trajectory begins "orbiting" Mars, we won't need a spaceship to know what it is.


👌🏼



posted on Sep, 16 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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The objects showed up only once survey scopes increased ther power. There is no evidence there is any change in the rate of fly-throughs. Early guesstimates are that at any time, within the orbit of Neptune, are thousands of such non-solar-system passers-by.



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