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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: The2Billies
I wrote these and posted them in another forum on page 4 of the posts. I finally decided to give them a thread of their own for discussion - improvement suggestions.

The original commandment is listed first with the new and improved modern version below it.

Ten Commandments of today US society:

1. You shall have no other God before me.
You shall have no Judeo-Christian God as he is oppressive, sexist and represses LGBT. You shall honor all other Gods as sacred and equal.


There are many progrssives that are born again, bible believing Christians.

There are many Conservatives that are neo-Nazi's and atheists.

Then there are people who claim to be Christian, but if they met Jesus would immediately call him a Middle Eastern rag head. If they listened to Jesus' words and looked at his clothing and beard, they'd also call him a progressive and a hippy (I keep thinking of the Westboro Baptist Church in this situation).


2. You shall not worship graven images.
You shall honor all graven images of all religions as sacred and equal and worship them when in the presence of those who worship them out of cultural respect.


There are atheist progressives who don't and won't honor any god symbols. There are also Christian, Mormon, JW, Muslim, Bahai, Sikh and Jewish progressives who also disdain idolatry.

Just like there are Conservatives who are Hindu's, Catholics and Buddhists and who do worship graven images.


3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
You shall take the Christian God’s name in vain (and only the Christian God’s name in vain) as often as you like and use as many ugly and offensive and sexually charged words as possible in all your television shows, music, and movies.


Again, you are attributing this to progressives when conservatives do the same thing.


4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
There must be no special religious day or set aside day of rest for everyone, even the hard working poor, especially the hard working poor, as it interferes with shopping, eating out, and entertainment.


Do the malls and casinos that have Trump signage close on Sundays? Do conservatives do no Sunday trading?


5. Honor your father and mother.
Condemn your father and mother for all the emotional baggage you carry in life.


The parents and grandparents of the current Americans fought to rid the world of right-wing autocratic governments like the Nazis and the Fascists and their hate filled ideologies.

The American Alt-Right are the direct descendants of Nazism and Fascism ideologies.

To allow the evil of the Alt-Right a voice in society is a dishonor of the sacrifices, struggles, hopes and beliefs of all the American patriots who fought in WW2.


6. You shall not kill.
You shall not kill - Except for the unborn fetus, even a 39 week old, viable and healthy fetus within a healthy XX personage, which may be killed upon demand of the uterus owner.


Well, considering groups such as 'The Republican Majority for Choice' and 'Democrats for Life', it would appear that it is the conservatives who are for abortion and the progressives, against.


7. You shall not commit adultery.
Every adult shall be free to gratify themselves sexually at any time with any consenting adult with no legal repercussions or moral judgement laid upon them.


Didn't Trump pay some prostitutes? Isn't he a divorcee? Jesus said that if you divorce and re-marry, both partners are guilty of adultery. So Trump is an adulterer. I imagine so are many other conservatives.

Clearly, this is not a particularly progressive problem.


8. You shall not steal.
You shall not steal, except, to take from those who have, to give to those who have not. You shall only “give a fish” and not ask anyone to at least attempt to “fish” for themselves, for that is unkind, unfair and unjust, and they will forever be in your servitude and vote as you tell them to.


Really, conservatives don't steal?

Do you think that Trump actually personally earned his billions through the works of his hands?

How could anyone honestly amass such incredibly large amounts?

Clearly not a particularly progressive problem.


9. You shalt not lie.
What is a lie, what is the meaning of is? What is truth, it is relative, my truth is mine, your truth is yours, except my truth is better than yours and my truth is always and forever right. Even if my truth defies biology.


They used to say you could tell when a politician is lying, because their mouth is moving. But Trump lies using electronic media as well.

Again, you are blaming the progressives for a fairly universal sin.


10. You shall not covet anyone’s wife or any of their goods.
It is ok to desire your neighbor’s wife because all sexual relations are value free. It is ok to desire and even demand your neighbor’s goods so that you have goods equal to those of your neighbor for that is social justice.


Promiscuity leads to proliferation of sexual disease and psychological problems (only sociopaths can entirely separate sexual encounters from desires to pair bond). Conservatives 'screw around' too.

You are equating charity with coveting - social justice is closer to charity than to coveting. It is about the state distributing resources for the maximum good.

And if we are talking of coveting, what of the conspicuous acquisitiveness of Donald Trump?

In short, while you have clearly shown that ancient values are being eroded, you have implied that it is entirely the fault of the progressives in society.

It isn't.

Human nature itself is corrupt - conservative and progressive.

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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
Man I love threads that wreak of undeserved superiority complexes.


I do too. BTW, it's "reek", not "wreak."



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Raggedyman

But if everybody was Stalin, we wouldn't even mind the Hitlers...

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe or buy this nonsense that all atheists are terrible people.
That's just silly


I think that many atheists are terrible people. Just like there are many religious people that are terrible people.

But I think, on balance, that atheists are worse per capita.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Raggedyman

I mean, I could easily say the same...

Yeah, right, the last thing the world needs is more Jerry Falwells or Joel Osteens
yuck


Because they are so evil?




posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: The2Billies

I think my main problem with your OP is that you are lumping in PC fascists with modern day atheists and agnostics.

Two separate things.

PC culture can and will destroy itself.
Modern thinking and science is something completely different.


The Fascists were a right wing autocratic political movement originating in Italy and strongly allied with the Nazis (who considered themselves a Fascist movement).

I know Americans like to stuff around with the language but describing progressives, left-wingers, libertarians and the 'politically correct' as fascists is the polar opposite of what the word actually means.

PC culture will remain while ever there are people who have absolute standards (like those set out in the Bible) and a concern that those standards are being eroded.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

That's a nice response to the "10" of the OP.
Good counterpoints.

One minor objection: Catholics don't worship graven images.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: The2Billies

I totally understand and agree with your main point.
I've spent many years thinking and debating this subject and I have come to my own personal conclusions.
I really think religion is more harmful than helpful.
We shouldn't be competing in a world of opposing religions and religious values. This is so damaging.
What is even more damaging is the effects of religion that I have witnessed in America.
So many people do nothing with their lives but sit around and consume. TV, food, entertainment, etc.
They do not grow. what is the point of them growing? All they need to know is that Jesus is waiting for them one day...

I am not allowing my daughters to be brainwashed by religious indoctrination.
I don't want them thinking there is some magical crutch to use to limp around life with.

You're born, you'll die, you only get one life, do something with it! Don't just sit around soaking in corn syrup and game of throne episodes while time passes you by.
There is no Jesus at the end of the rainbow. There is no heaven waiting for you when you die. Get your slice of heaven NOW while you are still here and very much alive.

So... when I see this 10 commandments fluff, I can't help but feel that this is wayyy off track from what we really should be focussing on.
Like - live an let live and do unto others as you would want done unto you, etc..

not .. this progressive blah blah nonsense look what they did! stuff


By your own words we should all be alphas to get what you can any way you can since there are no consequences for ones actions. By your own words we should not have any laws that are religious based? No do not kill do not steal do not lie just do what it takes to get what you want no mater what since there is no morality. where does morality come from?



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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Better..




posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 05:55 PM
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1.Mohammed prophets are all Hebrews/Jews to Christian's. He essentially the only Arab that can see the future, an brags about being with Jesus, fighting Nega-Jesus.

2. Rainbows an Unicorns count too. Never mind a Phallus an a Bull. It's TRUE!!!

3. Cant say Jesus or God when having sex.

4. Cant have Saturdays off anymore.

5. Idk even no where to start.

6. Meh. Has any body read the good book. It a hell of good book.

7. No more crazy sex party or quacks.

8.No such thing as free.

9. If polcitcal correctness stutters or second guesses, follow rule number 6.

10. Again, no more crazy sex parties.

Any thing above broken, follow number 6.
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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut


Your deep feelings are showing.

This was not about conservative versus liberal.

It is about how traditional values (in the form of the 10 Commandments that WAS a major basis for the way people should treat each other) are being thrown out the window in favor of a "new morality" (that is being promoted by the media, social media, Hollywood, and music.

BTW EVERY group has it's bad people. This is not about individuals to prove a point, it is about overall society.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger




I guarantee you there are kids watching that stuff on Netflix on a nightly basis.


Not the kids fault either. They don't understand the effects that viewing such
depravity can have on their minds. Or how it might manifest in displays
of adverse behavior down the road. I'm sure for some it's effects amount to
a major game changer in life to the negative.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: The2Billies

I think my main problem with your OP is that you are lumping in PC fascists with modern day atheists and agnostics.

Two separate things.

PC culture can and will destroy itself.
Modern thinking and science is something completely different.



The Fascists were a right wing autocratic political movement originating in Italy and strongly allied with the Nazis (who considered themselves a Fascist movement).

I know Americans like to stuff around with the language but describing progressives, left-wingers, libertarians and the 'politically correct' as fascists is the polar opposite of what the word actually means.

PC culture will remain while ever there are people who have absolute standards (like those set out in the Bible) and a concern that those standards are being eroded.


The progressive left has an equal amount of fascist tendencies as you claim people who believe the 10 Commandments are a good foundation for morality do.

Remember Hitler was a socialist.

Definition of Facist: From Webster Dictionary:

1.often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality

The progressive left stands for a centralized autocratic government (socialism)
Severe social regimentation (there are strict progressive rules of speech and interaction with people not of ones own racial identity group)
Forcible suppression of opposition - ANTIFA - doxing; cyber bullying - attempting to get people who disagree with them fired from their jobs, personally disgraced for life
A tendency toward exercise of strong control - rioting, property damage, violence if someone trys to even speak about anything the left disagrees with ideologically
Early instances of army fascism and brutality - perfectly describes ANTIFA

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Progressive leftists have absolute standards that they protect:
Abortion through 39th week even if the XX adult is healthy and the fetal tissue healthy.
All white people are over privileged and must acknowledge and atone for their privilege.
No one may speak to someone with more melanin than you without deeply examining what one can and can not say to avoid accidentally hurting feelings or accidentally saying something insensitive.
When first meeting a person, one must first look at their skin color and then their chosen gender before speaking or interacting with them to avoid accidentally being insensitive.
Every form of sexual interaction is permissible, not to be held in any form of judgement, not to be discriminated against, and to be encouraged and celebrated, as long as it is between consenting adults.

Just because you appear to loathe the Bible and Christians in general from the things you have written, doesn't mean that the standards are evil and should be thrown out. Although I admit it is a very progressive stance on morality.


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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies
Those ten 'laws' were never intended to be understood as dictatorial "Commandments"; that if broken would be delt with or by a brute enforcement of concequences. They were actually just a personal "Covenant" "THE TEN COVENANTS" one made with a percieved Creator being (a handshake agreement with a wink and nod) to BEHAVE as a civilized being understanding the 'golden rule'; be unto others as yea would be unto oneself.


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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Raggedyman

But if everybody was Stalin, we wouldn't even mind the Hitlers...

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe or buy this nonsense that all atheists are terrible people.
That's just silly


I think that many atheists are terrible people. Just like there are many religious people that are terrible people.
But I think, on balance, that atheists are worse per capita.


How can you think those that lack enlightenment (your words those atheists) are terrible people? They are on a journey of disenlightenment just as you are and may not be as far along as the rest of us metaphysical aces. There is some hope for those ignoramous cretin moronic idiots. I would say any organized religion has murdered just as many indigenous peoples of this earth as land grabber colonists.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 10:29 PM
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I hope you all can see that this is a parody.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
a reply to: chr0naut

That's a nice response to the "10" of the OP.
Good counterpoints.

One minor objection: Catholics don't worship graven images.


It's debatable.




posted on Sep, 13 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies


BTW, this is also the Jewish 10 Commandments, least you fail to insult them also.

You are aware that the ten commands of the Mosaic covenant belong only to that covenant between the Hebrew tribes and their deity? They do not apply to the general population of that or this era unless that covenant is adopted by those who adopt the entire covenant.

Also seven of the commands of the Mosaic covenant were already instituted by both Adam and Noah long before the Sumerian's came into existence as Hebrews. Jesus gave the same commands in His various teachings at various times and called them His doctrine. That doctrine is either accepted or rejected, as you have pointed out, by peoples choice. Nevertheless, being rejected today is nothing new as the same rejections have happened in all cultures since Adam.

The falling away syndrome has been in progress for thousands of years and probably will continue till most religions are exterminated and new ones brought into play. Actually the rule of law is only as good as the enforcement of that law. The difference being that the statutes and ordinances must be constant in order for a law to be a law.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: The2Billies

I think my main problem with your OP is that you are lumping in PC fascists with modern day atheists and agnostics.

Two separate things.

PC culture can and will destroy itself.
Modern thinking and science is something completely different.

The progressive left has an equal amount of fascist tendencies as you claim people who believe the 10 Commandments are a good foundation for morality do.

Remember Hitler was a socialist.


Hitler's 'socialism' was about nationalization of private industry which centralized money and power to the government, which became a dictatorship. It had nothing to do with the distribution of wealth among the citizenry, and particularly the underprivileged, which is one of the aims of socialism as we now understand it.


Definition of Fascist: From Webster Dictionary:

1.often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition


Which was the actual definition that I was making reference to (note the quite specific reference to the 'Fascisti').


2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality.


So you see social equity programs and balanced redistribution of public money and other contributory resources (i.e" the goals of socialism) as autocratic (i.e: pertaining to the rule of a despot with unlimited power) and dictatorial (i.e: pertaining to a dictator) control?

Fascists are pro right-wing dictatorships. Fascism is the diametric opposite of communism and socialism.


The progressive left stands for a centralized autocratic government (socialism).


No, the progressive left are not for a dictatorship with unlimited power (that is what the word "autocratic" means).

Nor does socialism necessarily mean centralized government. Small, distributed and multi tiered governments can also adopt socialist principles just as easily as large centralized ones. By far, the most numerous types of socialist states existing today are not Marxist-Leninist ones and are multi-party systems with tiered government.

List of socialist states From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Capitalism is about the acquisition of wealth by each individual. Socialism is about the distribution of wealth for the good of the citizenry in general. They are opposites.


Severe social regimentation (there are strict progressive rules of speech and interaction with people not of ones own racial identity group)


"Political Correctness"? What about the incredible social stigmatization of all who question your government and are therefore deemed 'unpatriotic', socialists (when they may possibly not be) and traitors?

Or (and I suppose you have never thought much about this), the US is the only country in the world that teaches 'Civics' in schools. In other countries, children study law, politics, history and economics, but few other countries run classes that explicitly indoctrinate their children with only one particular political system.

No wonder Americans have such sensitivity to political correctness, they are all in fear of being outed as non-conformists and therefore unpatriotic, socialist, traitors.


Forcible suppression of opposition - ANTIFA - doxing; cyber bullying - attempting to get people who disagree with them fired from their jobs, personally disgraced for life

A tendency toward exercise of strong control - rioting, property damage, violence if someone trys to even speak about anything the left disagrees with ideologically


Yes, the non-conformist, unpatriotic traitors. How dare they speak/act out against your patriotic government leaders.

I mean, look at the issues of all those non-caucasians who, even today, get in the way of a truncheon, taser or a bullet. those !@#$%^ keep filling up the prisons that all the good 'Bible Belters' have to keep paying taxes for!


Early instances of army fascism and brutality - perfectly describes ANTIFA


So the ANTI FAchists are fascists? Get real! Yes, they are terrorists and criminals, but just no, they aren't fascists.

You keep using the wrong word.

Arguably, your current government, where Trump continues to try exert control over Congress and the Judiciary (like calling a national emergency when it is actually a 'situation normal' that has existed for decades), is heading towards autocracy and fascism.


People in glass houses should not throw stones.

Progressive leftists have absolute standards that they protect:
Abortion through 39th week even if the XX adult is healthy and the fetal tissue healthy.


The actual legislation was up to 24 weeks, and only if the fetus was not viable and would not survive until birth, and there was danger to the health of the mother. No-one is asking to allow unrestricted killing of infants. That is abhorrent to all reasonable people (except perhaps the ultra-right wing, who executed babies along with their mothers in the German death camps).

That fact that you actually believe that progressives would argue for such an evil thing indicates the level of your capability to reason and your gullibility in regard to propaganda.


All white people are over privileged and must acknowledge and atone for their privilege.


Not all, but they are, as a group, advantaged well ahead of other social groups.


No one may speak to someone with more melanin than you without deeply examining what one can and can not say to avoid accidentally hurting feelings or accidentally saying something insensitive.


That only applies to racists and bigots. Normal people can talk without saying anything vilifying.




When first meeting a person, one must first look at their skin color and then their chosen gender before speaking or interacting with them to avoid accidentally being insensitive.


You could avoid saying bigoted things entirely, with everyone. That would be 'politically correct' and isn't itself a racist and bigoted attitude.


Every form of sexual interaction is permissible, not to be held in any form of judgement, not to be discriminated against, and to be encouraged and celebrated, as long as it is between consenting adults.


So you are saying that progressives are sluts. I am sure they have both standards and compassion, too.


Just because you appear to loathe the Bible and Christians in general from the things you have written, doesn't mean that the standards are evil and should be thrown out. Although I admit it is a very progressive stance on morality.


Jesus was against judgementalism and condemned the attitudes of the Pharisees who felt they were superior in regard to keeping the law. Jesus was clearly a progressive, looking not to judge people on their failures.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: Raggedyman

But if everybody was Stalin, we wouldn't even mind the Hitlers...

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe or buy this nonsense that all atheists are terrible people.
That's just silly


I think that many atheists are terrible people. Just like there are many religious people that are terrible people.
But I think, on balance, that atheists are worse per capita.


How can you think those that lack enlightenment (your words those atheists) are terrible people? They are on a journey of disenlightenment just as you are and may not be as far along as the rest of us metaphysical aces. There is some hope for those ignoramous cretin moronic idiots. I would say any organized religion has murdered just as many indigenous peoples of this earth as land grabber colonists.


While there have been religious wars and unjust deaths at the hands of the religious, they have been in a tiny minority of the total unjust and unfair killings. I'm not denying that it has happened but it has never been anywhere near significant in the total numbers.

A case in point, go back through your news archives and government statistics, how many murders have there been?

How many of those were religious?

Then study the history of human warfare. How many of those were actually religious?

- The same as it has been all trough history.

You have painted the good as evil in your mind, not based upon truth or an actual examination of numbers, but probably because you have been hurt.

No-one has a right to hurt others for no good reason and, sadly, the religious are very guilty of that.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: The2Billies
Those ten 'laws' were never intended to be understood as dictatorial "Commandments"; that if broken would be delt with or by a brute enforcement of concequences. They were actually just a personal "Covenant" "THE TEN COVENANTS" one made with a percieved Creator being (a handshake agreement with a wink and nod) to BEHAVE as a civilized being understanding the 'golden rule'; be unto others as yea would be unto oneself.



So true, whereas the progressive commandments are being dealt with with brute enforcement (ANTIFA) or consequences (doxing, cyberbullying, loss of job/business, loss of reputation)



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