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Operation Yellowhammer. Brexit and it's likely effects.

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posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: 83Liberty

.....then why did they change it.

Take your politics out of this and something stinks




posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Tories have been in power now since around 2010, what way has the homeless figures went since they got in?

Thats rights, dramatically the figure has risen.

Where are all the council and housing association properties that should have been built to accommodate our growing population?

What about the bedroom tax, whos idea was that?

Then there is the fact that since 2010, the number of people relying on food banks has gone up from the tens of thousands to the millions.

Austerity is a very Tory shaped product designed to kill poor people.
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posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: 83Liberty

I'm not sure base case is what you believe. It is more the expected outcome.


The base case is the model's expected case, determined by using the assumptions that the project team consider are most likely to occur.



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Tories have been in power now since around 2010, what way has the homeless figures went since they got in?
Thats rights, dramatically the figure has risen.
Where are all the council and housing association properties that should have been built to accommodate our growing population?



Labour's social housing record
Mr Hunt cited a little recognised figure about the comparative record of the Labour government and its Conservative predecessor.
"There is less social housing built in the last 13 years under Labour then there was under the previous Conservative Government".
What are the figures behind his claim?
Mr Hunt cited a little recognised figure about the comparative record of the Labour government and its Conservative predecessor.

What are the figures behind his claim?
Analysis
Between 1979 and 1996 (CONSERVATIVE GOV) the total building for houses by local authorities and by registered social landlords was 913,690, while from 1997 to 2008 (LABOUR GOV.) building totalled a significantly lower 290,750.

Given that the last Conservative Government was in power for 18 years and the DCLG figures only cover Labour's first 11 years it is worth looking at the average building under each Government.
Again the figures back up Mr Hunt. Between 1979 and 1996 an average of 50,761 new homes in the social housing sector were built, compared to 24,299 from 1997-2008.

The most striking aspect of the figures is the steep decline in local authority housing during the period in question, falling from a peak of 88,530 new homes in 1980,[CONSERVATIVE GOV.] to a low of 130 in 2004 [LABOUR GOV].


fullfact.org...



What about the bedroom tax, whos idea was that?



If I was in social housing I would be glad of that, it only applied to couples or

singles living in larger family accommodation.....most people down size when

families have moved out, less rent less rooms to furnish, heat and clean as you

get older. I've done it myself.



Then there is the fact that since 2010, the number of people relying on food banks has gone up from the tens of thousands to the millions.


I don't wish to down play it on the truly needy but human nature being what it is

everyone likes a freebie? even those who have no need for one. You only need

to visit trade shows to see how those who dont need things will fill their bags with

chatty plastic giveaways



Austerity is a very Tory shaped product designed to kill poor people.


TBH every family/household practices austerity at times in their lives I have,

looking at what they have and where they can make cuts, shop at cheaper

outlets, have two veg instead of three and so on.........



posted on Sep, 14 2019 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Hilarious

Worst case scenario

Essentially this is like planing for a cat5 hurricane hitting Mew York

Not likely at all but possible

Spoiler: it’s horse poop


Its actually the "base case"

The leaked document called it the "base case" yet now its been turned into "the worse case"

Makes me think that actually the gov are hiding something.


Why didn’t these remain civil servants ask the ports if what they wrote was possible?

The reality is they just guessed and didn’t bother, because literally every port authority said yellow hammer was BS and that if calais couldn’t function for whatever reason there are over 100 ports who would love to steal their business and orders, which is absolutely true

Once again.. yellow hammer is a remain fear porn document



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 03:46 AM
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originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
Hilarious

Worst case scenario

Essentially this is like planing for a cat5 hurricane hitting Mew York

Not likely at all but possible

Spoiler: it’s horse poop


Its actually the "base case"

The leaked document called it the "base case" yet now its been turned into "the worse case"

Makes me think that actually the gov are hiding something.


Why didn’t these remain civil servants ask the ports if what they wrote was possible?

The reality is they just guessed and didn’t bother, because literally every port authority said yellow hammer was BS and that if calais couldn’t function for whatever reason there are over 100 ports who would love to steal their business and orders, which is absolutely true

Once again.. yellow hammer is a remain fear porn document


Can you link to the port authorities saying that? Perhaps give names to these 100+ ports?



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol




Operation Yellowhammer. Brexit and it's worst case scenario effects

Fixed that title for you.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Soloprotocol




Operation Yellowhammer. Brexit and it's worst case scenario effects

Fixed that title for you.



Come on dude, we all know that it was changed from "Base case" to "worst case"



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Fine but lets but let's not pretend there aren't going to be consequences of leaving.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:24 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I've never pretended there will be no consequences from leaving but I do believe the benefits will outweigh the negatives in the end.

I understand people fear change but sometimes change needs to happen , this is one of those times.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ScepticScot

I've never pretended there will be no consequences from leaving but I do believe the benefits will outweigh the negatives in the end.

I understand people fear change but sometimes change needs to happen , this is one of those times.


I have absolutely no problem with people arguing the case for the benefits outweighing the costs. I might personally think it unlikely but it's still a legitimate argument

I do have a problem with people claiming everything will come up peachy or sticking their heads in the sand about very real problems that'll need addressed.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:35 AM
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The entire purpose of the Yellowhammer document is for mitigation against a worst case scenario. The very opposite of sticking heads in the sand.

No one is saying it will come out 'peachy', rather pointing out that just talking about worst case scenarios and pretending the sky is falling is nothing more that Remainer propaganda - taking the worst case and scenario, assuming no mitigation, and proclaiming end times.
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posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 04:43 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


The entire purpose of the Yellowhammer document is for mitigation against a worst case scenario. The very opposite of sticking heads in the sand.

No one is saying it will come out 'peachy', rather poiting out that just talking about worst case scenarios and pretending the sky is falling is nothing more that Remainer propaganda - taking the worst case and scenario, assuming no mitigation, and proclaiming end times.


The document is, depending on which title you believe, either a base case or a reasonable worst case. Nothing about the sky falling in but a set of very reasonable assumptions.

If you read through the thread you will see numerous posts denying the accuracy of the document. People sticking their heads in the sand are posters on this site, not the authors of the document.




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posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 06:26 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Am just saying lets not go pretending that this isn't the absolute worse case, its the "base case" and the government chose to change it for some reason. That should at the very least be raising a few eyebrows



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Am just saying lets not go pretending that this isn't the absolute worse case, its the "base case" and the government chose to change it for some reason. That should at the very least be raising a few eyebrows


Isn’t all this just semantics though, arguing about how your leaving?

To the outside world, England looks weak and it looks like globalists aren’t allowing them to leave EU

How long has it been since the vote? May tried twice and globalists did ad hominem attacks and wanted a new leader and now look

There will be a second vote, it will be manipulated and England will never be free



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: ADUB77

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Am just saying lets not go pretending that this isn't the absolute worse case, its the "base case" and the government chose to change it for some reason. That should at the very least be raising a few eyebrows


Isn’t all this just semantics though, arguing about how your leaving?

To the outside world, England looks weak and it looks like globalists aren’t allowing them to leave EU

How long has it been since the vote? May tried twice and globalists did ad hominem attacks and wanted a new leader and now look

There will be a second vote, it will be manipulated and England will never be free


Not semantics but vitally important to construct out future commercial and legal relationship with rest of Europe.

Also nothing to do with 'globalists' or even that much to do with the EU. It's an internal debate about what details of how we leave.

May left because she couldn't even get her own party to agree on a deal. Again nothing to do with 'globalists'.

Finally it's the UK not just Engkand.

Other than that your post was bang on...



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ADUB77

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Am just saying lets not go pretending that this isn't the absolute worse case, its the "base case" and the government chose to change it for some reason. That should at the very least be raising a few eyebrows


Isn’t all this just semantics though, arguing about how your leaving?

To the outside world, England looks weak and it looks like globalists aren’t allowing them to leave EU

How long has it been since the vote? May tried twice and globalists did ad hominem attacks and wanted a new leader and now look

There will be a second vote, it will be manipulated and England will never be free


Not semantics but vitally important to construct out future commercial and legal relationship with rest of Europe.

Also nothing to do with 'globalists' or even that much to do with the EU. It's an internal debate about what details of how we leave.

May left because she couldn't even get her own party to agree on a deal. Again nothing to do with 'globalists'.

Finally it's the UK not just Engkand.

Other than that your post was bang on...



How long ago was the vote? It is semantics at this point because you wasted your time and now you don’t have any time left.

There is a clear “remain” group who is supported by global interests

This group has stalled and wasted your time and now you leave, I guarantee you Canada would send you whatever it is you need, you just need to ask



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: ADUB77

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ADUB77

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I remember the 1970's , food shortages , power cuts and fuels rationing , we survived that just as we'll survive anything EU departure can throw at us , I'm ready for the pain in order to get the gain.


Am just saying lets not go pretending that this isn't the absolute worse case, its the "base case" and the government chose to change it for some reason. That should at the very least be raising a few eyebrows


Isn’t all this just semantics though, arguing about how your leaving?

To the outside world, England looks weak and it looks like globalists aren’t allowing them to leave EU

How long has it been since the vote? May tried twice and globalists did ad hominem attacks and wanted a new leader and now look

There will be a second vote, it will be manipulated and England will never be free


Not semantics but vitally important to construct out future commercial and legal relationship with rest of Europe.

Also nothing to do with 'globalists' or even that much to do with the EU. It's an internal debate about what details of how we leave.

May left because she couldn't even get her own party to agree on a deal. Again nothing to do with 'globalists'.

Finally it's the UK not just Engkand.

Other than that your post was bang on...



How long ago was the vote? It is semantics at this point because you wasted your time and now you don’t have any time left.

There is a clear “remain” group who is supported by global interests

This group has stalled and wasted your time and now you leave, I guarantee you Canada would send you whatever it is you need, you just need to ask





Leaving was bever going to be an overnight process. The time was wasted by the May government who enacted article 50 with no clear plan or support in her own party

We already do trade with Canada just as we will keep trading with the EU. It's just going to be more expensive and difficult.



posted on Sep, 15 2019 @ 07:58 AM
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Would Canada supply electricity and gas via sub-sea inter-connectors?



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