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ANTIFA = Domestic Terrorists

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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

They use force, not all of them use violence. In fact, most of the people distance themselves from violence and wont slap a Nazi, physically. Which is fine and even more effective after all:

The horror of candles

Dresden Nazifrei (you wish)
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: contextual

If you claim to be ANTIFA, what's the endgame? What kind of policy are you all looking for to create an environment "safe from fascism"?

Because to me, the most anti-fascist environment is one where everyone has equal rights, and as much freedom as possible. Once someone gets to start playing thought police, that's step one towards fascism... Not away from it.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

What percentage of America do you think is nazis? How many do you think there are here?



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Will you be happy when proud boys are next to be labeled terrorists?

The proud boys were created as a joke. Only leftists see them as a threat. To join you need to name 5 breakfast cereals while being hazed and not masturbate for a month...

It was literally created to troll leftists. Now their mere presence in Democrat controlled cities brings it to a standstill and makes national news. Bringing to light the intolerance of Democrats.

I do believe they are winning their battle in this culture war...



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: contextual

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 1point92AU

Antifa are communists. They encourage, support, desire, communism.

Many are violent. Sure. All communists are anti-Constitution. All are anti-American.

But we can't label an entire ideology as domestic terrorists.


Ours is a free society (supposed to be anyway) and with that freedom comes the risk that others will believe differently.

There are already laws against the violence Antifa conducts. We don't need new laws or labels to punish them.




Being anti fash myself i'm honoured to be labelled a terrorist, I clearly need to put more effort in however.

You're parents must be proud...



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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Who ever says, “I’m pro fascist!”?



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't think the political activism of the people in those towns like Charlottesville has to be justified by the numbers of Neo-Nazis nationwide.

Actually, I don't care how many there are. Never again, no thanks.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


I don't think the political activism of the people in those towns like Charlottesville has to be justified by the numbers of Neo-Nazis nationwide.


I actually live about an hour and a half from Charlottesville. Two marginal groups (mostly out of towners) converged their to play out a LARP at the expense of the locals. That mixed with local law enforcement incompetence created a perfect storm.

Neo-nazis are asshats, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that ANTIFA, which creates just as much disruption is any better.

Do you really think ANTIFA is protecting any nation from fascism? Do you think that citizens are incapable of combating fascism on their own?

Because I don't like fascism, and I don't feel I need to be part of a group or party to call it out. Nor do I feel the need to march against it. There might be a few thousand fascists in America... A drop in a pond.
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Honestly, go out and meet those people? I've talked to actual conservatives while holding a fcking candle during an Antifa protest, this topic is so twisted and full of misconceptions... it's ridiculous.

There will be agent provocateurs, idiots and overall sociopaths in every group. Can we talk about that? Can we talk about this blatant effort to label dissent actual terrorism?

You've been pretty close with mentioning fear already, this is just another case of fear-mongering and I'll buy none of that. Rolling back neoliberal privatizations and austerity Bollocks will help a lot to keep the streets generally more safe, and intact. I know... this PubOps dreamer and his neoliberalism again, but yeah.



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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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Honestly, go out and meet those people? I've talked to actual conservatives while holding a fcking candle during an Antifa protest, this topic is so twisted and full of misconceptions... it's ridiculous.


I know plenty of people from both sides of the spectrum, most of them are great people with differing opinions... Though the further you get to either side, the more choppy the waters IMO.


There will be agent provocateurs, idiots and overall sociopaths in every group. Can we talk about that? Can we talk about this blatant effort to label dissent actual terrorism?


I'd rather convict individuals of crimes they commit than labeling anyone associated personally.


You've been pretty close with mentioning fear already, this is just another case of fear-mongering and I'll buy none of that. Rolling back neoliberal privatizations and austerity Bollocks will help a lot to keep the streets generally more safe, and intact. I know... this PubOps dreamer and his neoliberalism again, but yeah.


The fear mongering happens on both sides. ANTIFA's whole mission statement (here at least) is built on there are a few thousand nazis in our country. I think the ideology, execution, and justification for it all are wrong and self defeating, but that's just my opinion.

Everyone has their rights to think what they wish so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.... And for those who do infringe, enforce the law.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: YouSir

Remember when Obama was president and some in his administration wanted to label vets as domestic terrorists.

Now I understand that Antifa are nothing more than communists who hate America. But we need to defend their right to speak.

When they get violent and attack people?

Shoot them and kill them.

Labeling them will only empower them. Hell, San Francisco has labeled the NRA a domestic terrorist organization, if some anti American gets in in 2020 we’ll be back to labeling vets and anyone who follows the Constitution as domestic terrorists.


Ummm...if only it was a right to speak...speech doesn’t involve armed insurrection...nor is it a qualified right to burn property...beat people into coma...break heads and bones...

None of what they do is first amendment related...or constitutional...their objective is to destroy our way of life...#byanymeans...

Returning vets were labeled terrorists by that same #byanymeans...they neither congregated in groups...nor sought to stop anyone from their free exercise of rights...


Frankly...I find it disingenuous of you to even quantify them in that sense or within that same context...

Good...intelligent...and moral people will always understand the vast gulf between those diametrically opposed viewpoints...


I say again...NONE of what Antifa represents or espouses is related to their free exercise of speech...NOONE is clamoring for any of their rights to be abrogated...NONE...

Antifa surrenders it’s rights willingly by their actions...they neither uphold or honor the Constitution and or our rule of law...instead they sow terror every time they gather...

They can opine all they wish...but keep the masks and Molotov’s and truncheons at home...it’s by exercising those tools that crosses every line...

It’s simply not good enough to wait until they do more damage...they’ve chosen their methods...arresting them is a badge of honor to them and has no deterrence what so ever...they simply slither back to the comfort of their clique and swing their chains again...

Is what it is...and they are what they are...a collective who seeks political change through the use of force against peaceful persons that only wish to exercise their rights and remain unmolested as they go about their daily grind...


Antifa does not believe in...nor practice rights to speech...life...liberty...or the pursuit of happiness...they want chaos...not order...they don’t believe in inalienable rights...


I can’t be plainer than that...








YouSir
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 12:39 PM
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Ummm...oopsie...twice...isn’t always as nice...
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: YouSir

Antifa has no redeeming properties, true.

But they have become the militant arm of the Democrat Perty, and we’d have to essentially label the democrat party a domestic terrorist group.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: contextual

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 1point92AU

Antifa are communists. They encourage, support, desire, communism.

Many are violent. Sure. All communists are anti-Constitution. All are anti-American.

But we can't label an entire ideology as domestic terrorists.


Ours is a free society (supposed to be anyway) and with that freedom comes the risk that others will believe differently.

There are already laws against the violence Antifa conducts. We don't need new laws or labels to punish them.



Antifa is just short for anti-fascist. you either support fascist ideology or you don't, it's like being pregnant you either are or your not, there's no middle ground.
Calling anti-fascists Communist is lazy, Obama is anti-fascist but Capitalist.

Being anti fash myself i'm honoured to be labelled a terrorist, I clearly need to put more effort in however



Ummm...actually...you really need to drop the Anti from that fascism...you are quite fascist in your methodology...you even have the uniform...and hide behind masks...

If what you entailed was in any sense honorable...just...or right...you would drop the masks and bike locks and chains and baseball bats...

Instead you’d rather hide behind your faux anonymity so that you can sow discord and mayhem...so that you can beat senseless anyone not conforming to your particular insanity...


You repeat the past...and we all know that stupidity is repeating the same action and expecting a different result...

Methinks you’ve swung one bike lock too many and crushed one skull too many...hopefully the full weight of the law will fall upon all your house...and you will be ground back into the dust of history...where you belong...


Goodbye...and good riddance...





YouSir



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:03 PM
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ANTIFA is a bunch of loosely run organizations rather than one. They have clashed with opposing groups, like in Charlottesville. The opposing factions engaged in violence, and as we know, one of the participants drove his car into a crowd.

Just using the violence of a few or even bunch to deem groups terrorists is a slippery slope, and as I've said would just be a matter of time till other groups see the same outcome.

Both sides are seeking equity, and by that search, they will both find less.

How is trying do deem them terrorists any different from when hate crimes came about? It's just adding laws to laws that already exist to punish something in the first place.

This is why I dislike both sides, they're willing to dissolve rights of many just to go after their opponents.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: YouSir

Antifa has no redeeming properties, true.

But they have become the militant arm of the Democrat Perty, and we’d have to essentially label the democrat party a domestic terrorist group.



Ummm...works for me...

Scratch that...just label the progressives...liberals on the other hand are people too...
Not that any vocal ones remain within that party...





YouSir



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker


Ummm...you only parrot the preferred talking points...loose organizations my ass...

It’s not a bunch or a few...it’s the collective...every time they gather together in their uniforms and behind their masks...they sow discord and mayhem...they cause destruction to persons and property...

“I reject your version of reality...and substitute my own”


I will agree that your woefully misinformed and under the spell of MSM talking points...and to disagree natch...

I might ask if Polly wants a cracker...






YouSir



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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Except my opinions typically don't fall in line with mainstream media.

I'm vocally against the mainstream media and ANTIFA, so I don't think it's fitting, but I don't plan on or think I'll change your mind.

This is just the rights version of hate crimes. Instead of their race or sexual preference, it's politics.

What difference does it may if I attack someone because they're gay, black, liberal or concervative? Assault is illegal. Calling it a hate crime is silly because obviously you have hate if you attack anyone without cause.

You're fixated on ANTIFA though their opposition has engaged in similar violence, such as a guy plowing through a crowd with his car.

But I'm not for labeling any domestic organization terrorist, it negates the constitution which is promised to us all. Everyone has the right to due process, a lawyer, and a fair trial no matter what crime they commited... Even if I don't like them.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:37 PM
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ideology, execution, and justification


Quick reminder: you guys should be protecting the constitution against this Brave New Oligarchy of 1984 one day. Just saying!

With all this Forever Warfare going on it's great news to see more and more people picking up pitchfolks, so yeah... no. Sanders would be President if it wouldn't be for the Boomers. Boom! This is a done deal already.

However. I'm just the outside agitator from 'little' Germany with it's crippling public services and social systems. We can call this crap Brave New Fascism already, maybe you guys should read more Horkheimer, Adorno, Fromm or Arendt to get the drift? Chomsky? I can't possibly break it all down in a few sentences, but this problem is bigger than your regular Neo-Nazis going berzerk. And it's all connected.



Everyone has their rights to think what they wish so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.... And for those who do infringe, enforce the law.


Yeah. That's pretty much what we're left with after all those Wars on the Unions, Socialists, Minorities, Poor, Drugs and Terror. This world is a dark place, mate. We can be happy when we're free to think what we wish, and I didn't even start to talk about Edward Bernays and the War on Truth.

It's easy to say Antifa's ideologies are wrong, but are they? I'm not very picky when it comes to a Renaissance, I'll take pretty much anything to avoid another French Revolution. And we're pretty close already.

'A deep and boiling anger': NBC/WSJ poll finds a pessimistic America despite current economic satisfaction


Great day to have a little rant like that, innit? There's a storm brewing outside...



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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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Ummm...your slippery slope analogy is moot...every right of center...conservative...and returning Vet was already labeled a terrorist...by Obama’s Justice department...

Labeling someone or someone’s that use violence against peaceful persons out exercising their constitutional rights for their fascist ideology as a terrorist...is somehow in your illogic...negating the terrorists constitutional rights...

Dude...just listen to yourself for a minute...

Just listen to yourself...one crazy nut job runs some people over and it’s the whole other side...

Yet an entire organization...your words...no matter how loosely you wished to parrot that talking point...an organization nevertheless wears a uniform hides behind masks...and beats other’s senseless and destroys public and private property...is equivocal...and I’m the one equivocating...


Fixated...when the hell do I ever discuss them outside of threads spun by other people...about that very same topic and OP...


Besides...get your story straight...that one nut job that drove his car into the crowd...was at a BLM congregation...
Not Fascist...anti-fascists...






YouSir



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