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GOP takes NC... twice. News sources are silent.

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posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

I had been hearing the opposite, that the DNC was outspending the GOP three to one. Of course, that was just TV ads, so there may have been other expenditures as well where the spending was unbalanced.



That may have been 3:1 from out-of-state money...




posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Justoneman


Western part of the state has two tribe of Native Americans. They are conservatives.

Oh! That's right! I knew Cherokee was there (visited it once) but it had slipped my mind.

Thanks for reminding me.

TheRedneck


It is so amazing to see them embrace the freedom for all and you can do what you want within reason ideas so fully when they speak of the America we are. My only fear is they were beginning to believe MSM a bit, but what was I thinking? Especially, they know they have been lied to repeatedly! God bless them all.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 07:27 AM
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What if they gave an election and nobody came?

Manipulate that.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: DeepImpactX

Lol. Then the delegates would decide themselves. They don't need us.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris

Does the team with the most points win each time? Or are we sharing victory now... care to explain that to poor dumb little me?

TheRedneck


How much the winning team wins by is called the "spread", the margin of difference between the two competitors.
The spread is a reflection of both teams strength or weakness and specifically how they fare against one another in direct competition.

It is a critical and vital data point to predicting future outcomes.
Even people that don't gamble, like myself, can understand it's relevance.

NC 9th has gone GOP for over a half-century without exception.
In 2016, Robert Pittinger won re-election against a Dem by an 18% margin.
And Trump won the district by 12% in 2016.

A GOP win in 2019 by only 2%, speaks to a shrinking "spread" or point differential. More so considering Trump's direct involvement with the candidate and the massive amount of money invested.

2% is different that 18% or 12%.
It is significantly less. It is actually, by far, the smallest margin of victory the GOP has had in that district in 56 years.

Your inability to acknowledge that basic mathematical truth is in keeping with your OP headline and posts.


GOP takes NC... twice. News sources are silent.


The GOP DID NOT take NC. They took NC 9th district.

The GOP DID NOT take the 9th twice. The first election was INVALIDATED because the GOP candidate's campaign team was found to be engaged in full on voter fraud collecting and throwing out Dem ballots.

News Sources were NOT silent, they covered it closely and extensively.

In short, when an OP begins with dishonesty and the author continues to be dishonest his postings, I find it contradictory to ATS's claimed motto of "Deny Ignorance".

It is possible you haven't been dishonest, but rather sincere, which would mean that you are of the mind that elections officially invalidated due to voter fraud is a legitimate "Win", and also believe 2% and 18% and 12% are all the same. Maybe you also "heard somewhere" that the Dems outspent the GOP by 3:1 and you just erroneously posted it as casual fact to great applause despite all sources showing the opposite.

When a long succession of obvious, significant and relevant factual errors go largely unacknowledged and offered as facts by an author to fit a specific narrative, it is rational to assume a dishonest intent to mislead readers and fellow posters.

If you want to hide behind the defense of "ignorance" then work harder to dumb down your posts.

I will continue to "Deny Ignorance" unless ATS has abandoned that motto? Seeing your "Mod" status, please advise.



edit on 12-9-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Extorris


How much the winning team wins by is called the "spread"

Yes, I know all about the spread. It's used a lot to bet on football games.

The point I am making is that Dan Bishop is now a US Representative. He is just as much a Representative as he would be if he had won by 40% instead of 2%. He will still represent NC in the US House of Representatives. For that purpose, the spread is not relevant.


The GOP DID NOT take NC. They took NC 9th district.

Is the NC 9th district not in NC?


The GOP DID NOT take the 9th twice. The first election was INVALIDATED because the GOP candidate's campaign team was found to be engaged in full on voter fraud collecting and throwing out Dem ballots.

I never stated the GOP took the 9th district twice. I stated that the GOP took two separate elections in NC, ergo, took a NC election twice. They also won the 3rd district. The only way you could have possibly missed that was either to have not read the OP at all, or to have some as-yet-unknown eye disease that selectively removes anything surrounding the number "3."

So I assume you didn't miss it... you just need a narrative.

I do not consider the regular election as a win, because it was invalidated. Actually, I hope anyone involved in the cheating finds themselves sitting behind bars for a very long time. I do consider this time a win, especially because of the scandal: even with voters well aware that the party had cheated before, the party candidate was apparently still preferable to the DNC candidate. The "spread" you are so concerned with, despite it mattering not who goes to Washington, was actually more this time around than it was when the GOP cheated!


News Sources were NOT silent, they covered it closely and extensively.

Yes, they did eventually announce the results. But compared to other special elections, I almost forgot this one was going on, with the news playing in the background all day! No one on ATS made a thread about it, again unlike any other special election. Compared to a few days ago, when the election was being hyped as this bellweather for the 2020 election, there was nothing on the news about the results.

Even going to Google and searching, I got mostly days-old predictions about the election... maybe two links on the 1st page that mentioned that Bishop had won. In order to find the actual numbers, I had to go to one of those and click through again to the page I linked in the OP. When other special elections have happened, especially when the DNC candidate managed to win, there is wall to wall media coverage.

Are you going to tell me it was because of the Russians next?

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

I never stated the GOP took the 9th district twice. I stated that the GOP took two separate elections in NC, ergo, took a NC election twice. They also won the 3rd district.


Correct. That was my bad and reading error.

The rest, both what you responded to and what you chose not to, is a dead horse to me.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Extorris


Correct. That was my bad and reading error.

Fair enough.


The rest, both what you responded to and what you chose not to, is a dead horse to me.

Which raises the question in my mind: do you normally argue so fiercely over dead horses?

NM, it was rhetorical.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris


Correct. That was my bad and reading error.

Fair enough.


The rest, both what you responded to and what you chose not to, is a dead horse to me.

Which raises the question in my mind: do you normally argue so fiercely over dead horses?



Only with those that willing to debate facts rather than invent them.

It requires some back and forth to figure that out.

You answered my question. Dead horse.
edit on 12-9-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

"Last week the Democrats were touting the special election in North Carolina’s 9th District as the first major contest of the 2020 cycle, and the polls indicated that Democrat Dan McCready might win what should be a pretty safe GOP seat. By Wednesday morning, after Republican Dan Bishop had won, their focus had shifted and much commentary was devoted to his “thin margin of victory.” Little notice was taken of certain voting patterns that should frighten the Democrats. Specifically, McCready did far worse than expected in every county but one, and many of those counties are dominated by minority voters.

The most unnerving example, from the Democratic perspective, is rural Robeson County. The ethnic makeup of this county is as follows: Native American (38.6%), White (25.7%), Black (24%), Hispanic (8.52%), Two or More Races (2.15%), Asian (0.66%), Other (0.275%). On Tuesday the Democrat received a fraction of the votes he received in 2018, running for the same seat. Ryan Matsumoto of Inside Elections provides the gory details: “McCready won Robeson County by only 1.11 points, a MASSIVE decrease from his 15.31 point margin last November.” In 2012, Obama carried Robeson by 17 points.


This is a county of about 143,000, and 74 percent of these folks are clearly not the racist rednecks the Democrats would have us believe make up most of the Trump/GOP base. The shift away from McCready was the result of disenchantment among minority voters with the Democrat. Moreover, though Robeson was the most obvious, it was by no means the only ethnically diverse county whose voters “walked away.” Nearly 60 percent of Cumberland County’s approximately 333,000 residents are Black, Hispanic, or a member of some other minority group. McCready won it in 2018. Dan Bishop won Cumberland on Tuesday.

Much the same scenario was played out in every county except the affluent white areas of Mecklenburg County, the only place where the Democrat improved on his 2018 performance. Bishop only flipped two new counties from blue to red, but he turned several from dark blue to pale blue, reducing McCready’s margins in enough ethnically diverse rural counties to win. So, what’s going on here? The answer will be obvious to all but the willfully blind. Despite consistent attempts by the Democrats to frighten minorities with evidence-free claims that the economy is faltering, no one is buying that tale."

spectator.org...



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: JonathanNicholas

This is positively devastating to the dems.
It is absolutely an indicator of things to come.
A far bigger indicator then is being reported.
Minorities are pulling a #Walkaway in massive numbers.
This will be the primary story post election.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: JonathanNicholas

The real wake-up call will come in either 2024 or possibly 2028. People are walking away from the DNC, but they are not walking to the GOP. They are walking towards Trump, who just happens to be affiliated (at this time) with the GOP.

The Republicans have 2020 in the bag pretty much... but they better get their own act together in the next 4 years.

TheRedneck



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris


Correct. That was my bad and reading error.

Fair enough.


The rest, both what you responded to and what you chose not to, is a dead horse to me.

Which raises the question in my mind: do you normally argue so fiercely over dead horses?



Only with those that willing to debate facts rather than invent them.

It requires some back and forth to figure that out.

You answered my question. Dead horse.


Can you beat it even more? I think so but it is pointless, normally.

Do you have a point with supporting references or just having fun flogging that proverbial horse?



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Agreed.
The story will be that a significant number of minorities stayed home not that they "jumped ship".
Black folks are not coming out for Biden just because he was Obama's VP.
Not enough will anyway.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: JonathanNicholas


The Democrats are greatly overestimating the share of the minority vote they will get. Just watch what happens next year. Watch.



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: JonathanNicholas
a reply to: JonathanNicholas


The Democrats are greatly overestimating the share of the minority vote they will get. Just watch what happens next year. Watch.


This thread is right wing fantasy porn.

Speaking of REAL #walkaway.. ..
Why the man Trump once called ‘my African American’ is leaving the GOP
www.pbs.org...



posted on Sep, 12 2019 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

He obviously has been blackmailed and bought-off 😎



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