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Why should I not vote for Trump in 2020?

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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

The swamp is full!!! Vote for Bernie and really screw the billionaires!!


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posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Ya know not sure why I bothered replying to you in the first place...should just ignore you as you literally haven't added anything of worth to a thread on here that I can even remember...but you do you boo boo!



posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Andrew Yang is a way better candidate. If he ran against Trump it would be a hard decision either way.



posted on Sep, 10 2019 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DBCowboy

First, Congress writes the laws. The President writes the EO's. I think you should probably read the Constitution before posting anymore.

Second, this thread isn't about whether or not Donald J. Trump, the fascist-in-chief, is a fascist or not so we should probably move the conversation elsewhere. Can you point to any EO's or laws that Donald J. Trump has signed that have relinquished executive power since he's taken office? Feel free to post them in a new thread!


Perhaps it is YOU that needs to re-read his post. He said, and I quote


Name me one thing that Trump has signed into law that is fascist.


See, that is part of the presidents job, to SIGN INTO LAW. Yes, Congress writes the proposed laws (known as a bill), and the President SIGNS THEM to make them laws. He also has the power of the veto against a bill in order to send it BACK to Congress to review and change to be resubmitted to him to consider and possibly SIGN INTO LAW.



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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 02:34 AM
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Outside point of view (Australian who cannot vote in your elections despite the fact Trumps trade war is about to put Australia into its first Recession since the early 1990s.)

I'm confused by some of what is being said in here. The Democrats are not remotely communist. Going by definitions of political science, no communist society has ever existed in history with the possible exception of Revolutionary Catalonia (1936-1939) en.wikipedia.org...

Communism means no government in the conventional understanding of it, and no state. It is the organisation of a society via a committee of labourers.



Communism

A social-economic system in which means of production are commonly owned (either by the people directly, through the commune or by communist society), and production is undertaken for use, rather than for profit. Communist society is thus stateless, classless, moneyless, and democratic.


en.wikipedia.org...

The Democrats in the US are not even Socialists, even the ones who identify themselves as such, at least not by traditional definitions of Socialism.



Socialism

A social-economic system in which workers, democratically and socially own the means of production and the economic framework may be decentralized, distributed or centralized planned or self-managed in autonomous economic units. Public services would be commonly, collectively, or state owned, such as healthcare and education.


en.wikipedia.org...

Where are the democrats proposing the seizing of ownership rights of all private enterprise and redistributing into the democratic ownership of the workers via the state? I have not heard any democrat express anything of the sort? Please show me an example if I have missed any such announcements. If there is a plan to democratise the private sector into democratic state ownership, then I could see Socialism but I have not heard of any examples of this.

So what are the democrats proposing then imo?



Capitalism

A social-economic system in which the means of production (machines, tools, factories, etc.) are under private ownership and their use is for profit.


en.wikipedia.org...

Combined with...




Welfare-State

A social-economic system in which the state plays a key role in the protection and promotion of the economic and social well-being of its citizens. It is based on the principles of equality of opportunity, equitable distribution of wealth, and public responsibility for those unable to avail themselves of the minimal provisions for a good life.


en.wikipedia.org...

A Capitalist Welfare State. This is what exists in Australia, the UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Japan, etc etc...

The Democrats are not Communist, or even Socialist. They are just proposing a more European style of Social-Democratic Capitalism.

An outsiders perspective.
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DBCowboy

First, Congress writes the laws. The President writes the EO's. I think you should probably read the Constitution before posting anymore.

Second, this thread isn't about whether or not Donald J. Trump, the fascist-in-chief, is a fascist or not so we should probably move the conversation elsewhere. Can you point to any EO's or laws that Donald J. Trump has signed that have relinquished executive power since he's taken office? Feel free to post them in a new thread!


“Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

The dNc party line
The aNtifa standpoint
The social media calling card
Every msm outlet

The ‘left’ today is the very definition of fascism.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: DBCowboy

First, Congress writes the laws. The President writes the EO's. I think you should probably read the Constitution before posting anymore.

Second, this thread isn't about whether or not Donald J. Trump, the fascist-in-chief, is a fascist or not so we should probably move the conversation elsewhere. Can you point to any EO's or laws that Donald J. Trump has signed that have relinquished executive power since he's taken office? Feel free to post them in a new thread!




The ‘left’ today is the very definition of fascism.


Nah




Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum. Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right by explaining: "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be".


en.wikipedia.org...

A general definition



Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.


en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

If the best the Democrats can come up with is a Socialist Millionaire or is it Billionaire, the Pedophile and The Skinwalker, I'll vote for Trump again. He has done more for this country and dare I say the world then any president in the last twenty years.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:43 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I agree, a social credit score system is a terrible idea and I oppose it vehemently. I can't imagine a Democrat running against him that is a better choice though. When the time comes I will look at my choices and make a decision based on everything. So as much as I oppose that idea, Democrats would take it further.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:45 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: DBCowboy


Now some leftists have issues about being called a god-damned communist, but when you support an ideology that wants government to control the means of production, then effing own it, comrades!


Rather be called a communist than a god-damned fascist.

Would you rather be a communist, or not be a fascist and called one? Personally I'd rather be called a racist fascist than actually be a racist socialist or communist.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: harold223

And you just explained why liberals are fascist. They desire extreme inequality. They desire free speech, but only for them. Clyburn just came out and said liberals today would not vote for the Bill of Rights, specifically because they do not want their opponents to have the 1st amendment.

As you can see with antifa and other liberal movements, By Any Means Necessary, forcible suppression of the opposition is indeed their modus operandi, and completely justified to be used against anyone who thinks differently than them.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: harold223

As an outsider, you should research more before you post. Not only are they socialists, they proudly proclaim themselves such.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 04:58 AM
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Placed on the far right by ‘most scholars’

So?

Your definition is exactly as I said “Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

The ‘left’ is the very definition of fascism



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 05:07 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: harold223

As an outsider, you should research more before you post. Not only are they socialists, they proudly proclaim themselves such.


I know some of them claim to be socialists. But as far as I understand, they are not putting forward any policies that are actually socialist? In fact, they are putting forward policies that have been the norm in other capitalist social democratic countries like Australia and Western European countries for decades. It is my belief that Americans have a skewed view on what constitutes socialism. That being, the seizure of private ownership of enterprise into State or worker ownership (either democratic or in the case of "authoritarian state socialism" such as the soviet union not so democratic). They may claim to be socialist, but their policies are not remotely so. Not by any traditional academic definition of socialism. Some on here are calling them communist?

Welfare is not inherently socialist. Neither is public ownership of infrastructure, health or education. All of these scenarios exist in Capitalist, Social Democratic States. Up until 20 years ago, Australia had free university, state owned ports, railways, domestic airline, two state owned broadcasters, universal healthcare, state owned public transport in many places, lots of state owned mines, the list goes on. Yet Australia was not a Socialist state. A Social Democratic Welfare State maybe, but it was still capitalist. Private enterprise for profit thrived and was encouraged. I don't see the democrats advocating for even half of what Australia had. US Democrats are not socialists. They are not advocating the seizure of the means of production lol



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 05:12 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: harold223

Placed on the far right by ‘most scholars’

So?

Your definition is exactly as I said “Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

The ‘left’ is the very definition of fascism


Well that's how things work in the world. Facism is just a word, an academic concept to try and define a phenomenon. Concepts need to be defined to try and make sense of the world and explain them to people in an ordered way and are done so by Scientists or experts in the field (in this case political scientists) by consensus. You can disagree, but that would be... like just your opinion... man lol. Most political scientists would disagree with you. Facism in political science discourse is as described above, on the far right of the spectrum. Some disagree, most don't.
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: harold223

Placed on the far right by ‘most scholars’

So?

Your definition is exactly as I said “Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

The ‘left’ is the very definition of fascism


Well that's how things work in the world. Facism is just a word, an academic concept to try and define a phenomenon. Concepts need to be defined to try and make sense of the world and explain them to people in an ordered way and are done so by Scientists or experts in the field (in this case political scientists) by consensus. You can disagree, but that would be... like just your opinion... man lol. Most political scientists would disagree with you. Facism in political science discourse is as described above, on the far right of the spectrum. Some disagree, most don't.

Wrong

Fascism is an ideology, a way of being and acting.

Openly advocating for the silencing of those ‘not like you’ is fascist

The ‘left’ today (by YOUR definition above) is the very definition of fascism



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 05:20 AM
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The definition above can be summed up with “Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

Oh and “it’s only fascism if the right-wing does it. When the left does it it’s called something else”

Or is it

“Because SOME fascist groups in the past have been right-wing, that means it’s impossible for e left-wing group to be fascist”

The ‘left’ today is the very definition of fascism.

Some would disagree, most don’t.
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posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: harold223

Placed on the far right by ‘most scholars’

So?

Your definition is exactly as I said “Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”

The ‘left’ is the very definition of fascism


Well that's how things work in the world. Facism is just a word, an academic concept to try and define a phenomenon. Concepts need to be defined to try and make sense of the world and explain them to people in an ordered way and are done so by Scientists or experts in the field (in this case political scientists) by consensus. You can disagree, but that would be... like just your opinion... man lol. Most political scientists would disagree with you. Facism in political science discourse is as described above, on the far right of the spectrum. Some disagree, most don't.

Wrong

Fascism is an ideology, a way of being and acting.

Openly advocating for the silencing of those ‘not like you’ is fascist

The ‘left’ today (by YOUR definition above) is the very definition of fascism


You believe that I am wrong. I say you are wrong, by educated definitions and the consensus on what that word used to describe an ideology is lol. I know your posts well Breakthestreak. In my opinion, and I am not going to hold out on this at all, you are a fascist. Probably one of the most fascist people on this site in fact and that is saying something. "Eat Sleep Conquer Repeat". Your very moto is fascist. Thus why you try so hard to paint your own truth on this site. You are a fascist, Alt-right warrior. This is how the Alt-right play the game. The Alt-right are on a mission to re-write the history of fascism because they feel the need to obfuscate on what they actually are...Fascists. There are peer reviewed research papers on this very phenomenon out there and many more in the making.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 06:19 AM
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And in a minute, Academia and the peer review process will be attacked. That is always one of the first things that Fascists attack, academia.



posted on Sep, 11 2019 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: harold223

Looks like the coin has flipped over to me

You read that definition and tell me it doesn’t describe the ‘left’ with accuracy.

It does

The ‘left’ is most definitely fascist, by very definition




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