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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aspie
If parliment opens again in a few weeks with the Queen making a speech, why doesn't she just call for another Brexit vote, That should easily decide for the direction to take.
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aspie
If parliment opens again in a few weeks with the Queen making a speech, why doesn't she just call for another Brexit vote, That should easily decide for the direction to take.
Ummm...knowing your absolutely absurd leftist ideology...its really no surprise that you would champion...holding repeated votes until your preferred outcome is reached...
Not shocking at all...true to form In fact...
YouSir
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aspie
So why not hold another vote right now? It's a very big issue for all of the peoples future. Why not hold a conformation vote of the PEOPLE right now?
originally posted by: 11SK1180
You should see the security for the chambers inside the house, Old men dressed like pirates, armed with swords.
All of this parliment is old fashion crap. More for show than anything else.
originally posted by: micpsi
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aspie
So why not hold another vote right now? It's a very big issue for all of the peoples future. Why not hold a conformation vote of the PEOPLE right now?
WE don't need that for general elections and we don't need that for referenda. Otherwise, losers would want a third vote, and so on.
originally posted by: contextual
originally posted by: YouSir
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Aspie
If parliment opens again in a few weeks with the Queen making a speech, why doesn't she just call for another Brexit vote, That should easily decide for the direction to take.
Ummm...knowing your absolutely absurd leftist ideology...its really no surprise that you would champion...holding repeated votes until your preferred outcome is reached...
Not shocking at all...true to form In fact...
YouSir
2016: "We have to leave the EU in order to assert the supreme sovereignty of UK law."
2019: "We have to ignore the supreme sovereignty of UK Law in order to leave the EU."
originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
To answer your specific point, the act is symbolic, as is a lot of stuff in the UK parliament to show displeasure at Parliament being prorogued/suspended/call it what you will.
There are various acts of ceremonial theatre that crop up from time to time, the most famous being Black Rod and the state opening of Parliament. Worth a google read.
As for Brexit....
This all started with Dave Camerons ego, in an attempt to appease the Euro Sceptics in the Tory party. He ran an election manifesto that called for a vote on EU membership, so eventually we had to have a referendum.
The referendum had no legal bearing. It was designed to guide parliament and the government of the day on the opinion of the country. Both sides of the argument fought dirty and lied a whole lot but Cameron's government smugly believed the vote would be to remain, and everyone in it went to bed on the night of the referendum expecting that they would wake up the following day with a remain vote, and a better power base in the Tory party, and build off their considerable parliamentary majority to move forward.
Except, that didn't happen.
So Cameron buggered off, even though he said he wouldn't if he lost, and eventually Teresa May took charge.
May then decided to throw a snap election to consolidate her majority and pass a deal. That backfired spectacularly and she ended up with an agreement with the DUP (Irish fanatics) that barely propped up her government.
Somewhere along the line - even though the referendum wasn't legally binding and probably to save face - (and without a majority) May decided that 'Brexit means Brexit' and that's when it all hit the fan, because instead of negotiating a deal first, then triggering the leave mechanism, she did it the other way round.
That then set up a storm, because the leave side of the argument didn't really have a plan (because they thought they weren't going to win and were relying on bull# in the main) and the 'negotiations' started from a position of absolute chaos.
Eventually May came up with a deal with the EU, but the leave side of the Tory party weren't happy with it because 'Brexit means Brexit' and the whole set of shenannigans surrounding her deal fell through, because she couldn't command a parliamentary majority to pass it into law.
Two years later and May had got no where, and after trying to pass the same bill regarding her deal three times, resigned.
That then triggered another leadership contest, which Boris Johnston won. Johnston is a hard line eurosceptic and wants to leave the EU without a deal, which is akin to essentially ripping the UK out of a long term mutual partnership arrangement by cutting off an arm. Johnston's government seems to believe that only the UK side of the argument matters and the other EU member states who have been the UK's partners for a long time can go stuff themselves.
In the meantime - following May's attempt at a deal - other MP's and the public have realised that the leave camp didn't have a clue what they were talking about and were winging it all along, so the calls for a second referendum have increased.
At this point you have to understand that even Nigel Farage, the bloated windbag mouthpiece of UKIP recognised at the time of the referendum that if it was a close result there might need to be a second referendum (although he seems to have amnesia about that now)
So, in a country of 68 million people, 44 million were eligible to vote in the referendum. 72% of that number voted, and the winning margin for leave was just over 1.5 million votes.
This is then is the 'majority' that ardent leavers stick to as the 'will of the people'
The remain side argue that the landscape has changed - a lot - and that most people hadn't realised what a snow job was being done on them during the original referendum.
Boris Johnston doesn't want a second referendum. He wants to leave the EU on the 31st October with no deal. Parliament has passed a law that says he can't do that - but that law hasn't been formally accepted and come into being yet, so, in a sneaky move Johnston has attempted to prorogue (suspend) parliament to prevent further debates and simply drop out by default with no deal on October 31st.
That has backfired, so he has attempted to call an election. The election call is clever because he can go to the Queen, ask to dissolve parliament and set a date for the election and in doing so the law would not be passed until the next sitting of a new parliament, which would (amazingly) be after 31st October and then be too late.
The opposition parties know this, and won't agree to an election, so we are now in a state of deadlock, and parliament has been suspended, with the opposition parties not willing to hold an election until the law is in place to prevent no deal.