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Iran Can Win a War Against the U.S. with Help From Syria & the DPRK

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posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:25 PM
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The Ability to Defeat the United States in War

Iranians, Syrians, Iraqis and Koreans of the DPRK are able to defeat the USA with an attack of opportunity. What does this exactly entail? It is the ability to take the advantage away from the technically supperior however morally inferior Americans at a time when they would not be able to withstand defeat. With 150,000 troops in and around Irq they are committed to the region. With engagement with all contries previously mentioned the United States will not be able to committ Americas fire power and boots on the ground to every region and she will be drug down into the ground. The USA could be trapped and defeated by such a ploy.

I draw my lesson from the teachings of Sun Tzu and the tragedy of Napoleon. From Sun Tzu, I believe that the USA least expects Iran, and Syria to act aggressively and this is why they will hesitate to launch an immediate response. From their response to the DPRK open and blunt declaration that the DPRK has the atomic bomb, I believe that the USA will not be charging into Syria and Iran. Such being the case I suggest that all three targets of the USA are able to provoke the USA to do their worst; but be prepared that in the event that the US does attack, the three will be prepared to fight back. The USA knows that they will not prevail if they attack all three at once; but why allow the Americans to pick one at a time ? Why not share the resources of all three in an alliance ? The USA invaded in a coalition force so why not the three allies Iran, Syria and DPRK form a combined Guerila Force of trained fighters ?

Just as they did in their illegal invasion of Iraq, the USA is preparing the scene for a repeat of their performance in their invasion of Iraq. They have “rammed through” the accusation that the assassination of Hariri was the work of Syria, which of course we all know they do not know and they are merely sticking it to the Syrian. I believe the assassination of Hariri is the work of the American CIA; what is more credible than the fact that the USA will go to any length to stick it to the Syrians with or more probably without any evidence that it was the work of the Syrians. However no matter what the truth maybe, the end result is for Iran and Syria as Muslim nations unite to protect themselves from the predatory THUGS (the USA) !

In the unlikely event that the USA plucks up enough courage to invade Iran and Syria, at the same time, the invaded are able to fight the Americans in a conventional battle because US forces will be too thinly distributed that even their superior fire power will be neutralized. The strategy for the Muslim forces is to draw the USA into battle in Iraq, Iran and Syria all at the same time.

The second point in any strategy for opportunistic provocation is for the allies Iran and Syria to bear their chest and Insult the Americans, since from past practice we know that diplomacy is useless against the Americans so why not insult them and bring them down a few pegs in the process. The strength of the USA as a sole superpower is a myth created by Western Media; that being the case why doesn't the third world take the opportunity to strip the myth from the Americans.

The point is what will this do to the American Economy. They'll lose more than they could actually gain even if they won all their wars. America would lose militarily, morally and financially.




posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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So what you are proclaiming is a pre-emptive strike before the American pre-emptive strike?



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:41 PM
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Uh...yeah...sure...

Have you ever had high school history? I don't know, but there was a little conflict about, oh, 65 years ago called WORLD WAR 2. If i'm not mistaken, the United States of America fought massive OFFENSIVE wars on two fronts against the Nazi's and the Japanese. These nations were a lot more powerful than North Korea, Iran, or Syria. Sure, we had the allies, but they were losing the war until we came in and saved their asses (coughFRANCEcough haha). Adolf Hitler had arguably the greatest conventional war machine in history, and we defeated him. Now do you honestly think that NK, Iran and Syria could even coexist to coordinate SUCCESSFUL attacks on US troop positions? Serioiusly! Think about this! Sure, they could throw a nuke at us somewhere, but for what? To be incinerated? Besides, we woudln't be fighting the war alone, either. Austrailia, Great Britain, and South Korea would be our key allies. There's no way in hell Syria, Iran, and NK could defeat the USA in a war. It wouldn't be possible.

And you think that in the event of an enormous war like this, that America would economically dwindle? Once again, i'll point to WW2. During wartime, American patriots take pride in doing whatever they can for the war effort. Our economy is HELPED by war.

And if you think America will EVER lose "MORALLY", you are an imbecile. Those bastards took out the WTC and the pentagon in 2001 and, although we were shaken, we did not lose any morals. If anything, we gained morals. THe majority of Americans truly believe in our system. It's tried and true for 230 years my friend.

You know, if you're jealous of the American way, you could always move here. We are a nation of immigrants. We are the most powerful nation in the world. Thank you, and next time how about you think before you post?!




posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by rapier28
So what you are proclaiming is a pre-emptive strike before the American pre-emptive strike?


Actually it is Co-ordinated response to America's pre-emptive strike on the world starting after WWII with korea spreading throughout S.E. Asia, S. America, the M.E. and other regions of the globe.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:42 PM
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The USA invaded in a coalition force so why not the three allies Iran, Syria and DPRK form a combined Guerila Force of trained fighters ?


It's kind of hard for three isolated nations that don't even share borders to form an alliance. When war breaks out, those nations will be able to offer each other nothing but maybe moral support.

And a guerilla force would do what, exactly? There is no danger to military strength from just a guerilla force. It's a mere annoyance. You could never really harm America with solely guerilla warfare militarily or economically. It would take a massive war, where you can actually meet us in the field. Something neither Iran, North Korea, or Syria can do even together.

They can not launch any attack on American troops. They lack both economic and military capability to do that. Iran couldn't launch an invasion on Iraq, and its out of the question for Syria. At best Iran could lob some missiles our way, in which case America responds with incredible speed and might.

North Korea is kept completely in check by South Korea. American troops aren't even needed.

And if we were attacked first, you'd see our allies come back to our side. Europe won't accept Iran attacking America. Japan won't take it. Canada won't take it. Australia won't take it. The last thing you want is America backed by the entire modern world. Even Russia would have to step aside and give the ok.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:43 PM
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DISTURBED BELIEVER, I totally concur.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Kwintz

And if you think America will EVER lose "MORALLY", you are an imbecile. Those bastards took out the WTC and the pentagon in 2001 and, although we were shaken, we did not lose any morals. If anything, we gained morals. THe majority of Americans truly believe in our system. It's tried and true for 230 years my friend.


Wheter or not I'm an imbecile or not is not the question. But thanks for feeling all mighty and powerful. You have just demonstrated my point. Americans talk tough but cry like a baby when it hurts. Our soldiers are nothing compared to the DPRK morally. They can withstand things our troops couldn't. Maybe it's because they haven't had western comforts all their life, or maybe it's American soldiers sucked on their momma's tit too long. Whatever the case is 'those bastards' that took out the WTC were your own government. How's that for morals.



You know, if you're jealous of the American way, you could always move here. We are a nation of immigrants. We are the most powerful nation in the world. Thank you, and next time how about you think before you post?!

Yeah thanks Born and Raised yankee right here, but sadly I don't think America is worth it. Bomb it to hell I say.



[edit on 5-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

The USA invaded in a coalition force so why not the three allies Iran, Syria and DPRK form a combined Guerila Force of trained fighters ?


It's kind of hard for three isolated nations that don't even share borders to form an alliance. When war breaks out, those nations will be able to offer each other nothing but maybe moral support.

And a guerilla force would do what, exactly? There is no danger to military strength from just a guerilla force. It's a mere annoyance. You could never really harm America with solely guerilla warfare militarily or economically. It would take a massive war, where you can actually meet us in the field. Something neither Iran, North Korea, or Syria can do even together.

They can not launch any attack on American troops. They lack both economic and military capability to do that. Iran couldn't launch an invasion on Iraq, and its out of the question for Syria. At best Iran could lob some missiles our way, in which case America responds with incredible speed and might.

North Korea is kept completely in check by South Korea. American troops aren't even needed.

And if we were attacked first, you'd see our allies come back to our side. Europe won't accept Iran attacking America. Japan won't take it. Canada won't take it. Australia won't take it. The last thing you want is America backed by the entire modern world. Even Russia would have to step aside and give the ok.


The fact you doubt you can be defeated shows the arrogance of the American Empire and her victims within oops I meant civilians.

P.S. in response to the other thread, We should make all Americans immigrants once again. Wouldn't you be surprised how many countries would bar you from immigrating. They don't want you, they don't like you, they hate you. Even European countries. Countries all over the globe want you dead, not because they're jealous of you, but because you are a thorn in their side.

Now to reply:

You state it's hard for nations who don't share borders to be in an alliance. Hah, look at Germany and Japan. Look at Usa Spain and England...get a grip dude.

You underestimate guerilla warfare. That's not my fault LOL


And everything else you said is a waste of time to respond too. Hmmm how much time did you take to read and think before you actually took the time to talk...exactly.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Ooo... This is getting personal now....

Please guys, if you really all feel so strong about the issue.

Feel free to join the military.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:51 PM
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Hey OOPS,
Good thing for you that the world is such a politically correct place, huh?
Cause if it wasn't, problem solved in less than 45 minutes, eh?
Wonder what the price would be for naturally mirrored glass?

Since this is a politically correct world, the "big Three" that you make reference too are simply nothing but a combined hypothetical.
Individually, they are inept.
Together, they are inept.

The only 'alliance' that will be forged between them is mere words and exchanges on nuclear technology and missile tech.

What "ifs" are better suited for predicitions and prophecy, such as the one you have started dealing with the body, blood, of Jesus, and the Kingdom of God.......







seekerof



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by rapier28
Ooo... This is getting personal now....

Please guys, if you really all feel so strong about the issue.

Feel free to join the military.


I'm an apostate, if you don't know what that means look it up. I am an American, but not an American of the 21st century. I'd be a great American if it were the 1700 -1820's. But not now. The Country of America needs to be erased from the planet. Exile all Americans from the N.A. continent. Give the land to Mexico, the Canadians, the French and American Indians...but Don't give it to Britain and Spain.

Hey, maybe China could have a piece!!



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 10:55 PM
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OOPS:

If you hate America so bad, how about doing something about it? Sitting on your ass feeding the public this garbage isn't doing you any good. Go protest or something you fool. And how the hell do you know the Korean military is a bunch of hardasses and the American military are softies? Oh and by the way dumbass, our government didn't attack us on 9/11. That's just conspiracy theorist BS.

Let me ask you one question: If war broke out b/t the USA, England, and Austraila vs. NK, Iran, and Syria, how much money would you put on NK, Iran, and Syria? Because i'd bet everything i had with anyone that the good guys would pull it off...

And by the way, quit saying how you wish America could be blown off the map. You're a dumbass. I'm not replying anymore in this thread, simply becuase you are a complete and utter fanatic. How about you take a look at cold hard reality and be thankful for the great country we live in? When The US demolishes the Iranian government, you'll feel like a dumbass, and rightfully so. Goodbye.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by Kwintz]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:01 PM
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Wheter or not I'm an imbecile or not is not the question. But thanks for feeling all mighty and powerful. You have just demonstrated my point. Americans talk tough but cry like a baby when it hurts. Our soldiers are nothing compared to the DPRK morally. They can withstand things our troops couldn't. Maybe it's because they haven't had western comforts all their life, or maybe it's American soldiers sucked on their momma's tit too long. Whatever the case is 'those bastards' that took out the WTC were your own government. How's that for morals.


Wow...What's your basis for any of this? It's just a whole lot of speculation. Anyone who has ever really studied military history would fine a few key themes among all great militaries. They didn't treat their men brutally like North Korea.


P.S. in response to the other thread, We should make all Americans immigrants once again. Wouldn't you be surprised how many countries would bar you from immigrating. They don't want you, they don't like you, they hate you. Even European countries. Countries all over the globe want you dead, not because they're jealous of you, but because you are a thorn in their side.


I believe it was on 9/11 when the French themselves said, "Today everyone is an American," or at least something along those lines.


You state it's hard for nations who don't share borders to be in an alliance. Hah, look at Germany and Japan. Look at Usa Spain and England...get a grip dude.


Germany and Japan had global reach. Syria, North Korea and Iran are completely isolated. Germany and Japan didn't fight together, either. They had powerful militaries capable of reaching beyond their borders. The nations you named don't. Those two nations dominated their regions.


You underestimate guerilla warfare. That's not my fault LOL


Really? Go find me some examples where guerilla warfare alone destroyed armies, especially when two nations were fighting to the death. If Iran, North Korea, or Syria were killing American soldiers by the thousands, they'd see their nations completely leveled by the most extensive air campaigns in history, and they'd be completely helpless.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:02 PM
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Objective Pre-emptive Strike...

Discuss as adults.
Refrain from personal attacks and uses of profanity.
Do not circumvent the sites censors.

Keep it real.
Debate the issues impersonally rather than making them personal.

Just a precautionary heads-up.
Heed it.





seekerof


[edit on 5-3-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:03 PM
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Oh but I have much love for you and all the other Americans who are not Hypocrites, Arrogant, Warmongering, Unstable People.

Even if you call me a fool and imbecile and DUMBASS which you can get warned for and all those nice pleasant things I still like you. We can have an open discussion. Sometimes I might have to call you a dirty name too, but not yet.

America is a generated entity that does not serve her people. Of course you take advantage of the system and survive so naturally your instincts tell you to defend it. But you could have a true constitutional government heading your republic and have a reasonably democratic system to elect officials. Sadly you don't.


EDIT: I know seeker of, I gotta go look at skippy. You see how people just get so riled up when I state my opinions. The pain and pleasures of being a radical. Ahhh...understanding is a needle in a haystack and finding it is difficult.

Other Responses:

North Korea doesn't treat their soldiers brutally? Where did you get that one? And it's not true to say the countries mentioned don't have global reach. Besides it doesn't matter. America is in their Regions and that's what this is all about. They can strike in their own regions and take America out.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:07 PM
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Oh but I have much love for you and all the other Americans who are not Hypocrites, Arrogant, Warmongering, Unstable People.


You know, you can insult this era all you want, but what's with glorifying the early days? Honestly, what changed? Today we have equal rights. Then we had slavery and were driving out the Indians.

I don't think you would have made a very good American then, either.


North Korea doesn't treat their soldiers brutally? Where did you get that one? And it's not true to say the countries mentioned don't have global reach. Besides it doesn't matter. America is in their Regions and that's what this is all about. They can strike in their own regions and take America out.


North Korea is a brutal dictatorship. I'm just going to take a wild guess and say that they probably beat soldiers for small mistakes, and they don't get anywhere near the food and comfort of Western soldiers. Not to mention the government is just completely incompetent. What are these guys over there fighting for?

And being in a region isn't enough to start a fight. They're big regions. Iran and Syria could not bring their armies over into Iraq. A nation can only afford to deploy so many troops. It's only possible to actually transport a certain amount. It's only possible to produce enough supplies to keep them fighting. Iran, Syria, and North Korea are far too weak to do those things at levels to compete with America. And with North Korea, they'd have to face the South, which is perfectly capable of handling the North.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by Disturbed Deliverer]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:12 PM
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Yeah I probably wouln't have made a good America, I would have shot anyone I thougt was a threat to the future of the nation.

Just like today. If you really love America you should wake up and take control of her, otherwise other countries in the world will be forced to put her down like a mad dog and guess what, in the future countries will be able to 'CRUSH' America.

EDIT: Response to your Edit

Well China will help DPRK and Syria will destroy Israel with the help of Iran, at the same time The Iraqis and Iranians will be destroying the U.S. forces in the Region. Now the U.S. is cut in half and guess what, they will have no one to save them.

When countries stand up to America, the world watches, they don't stand up too. Only England does because of reasons you should know. Old Europe doesn't need America to be the big father anymore. They could just as live without them. When the Iranians, Syrians, DPRK and Iraqis are allied. The U.S. will have a 2 front war in the pacific and the middle east and the will lose.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:16 PM
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Yeah I probably wouln't have made a good America, I would have shot anyone I thougt was a threat to the future of the nation.


Then you probably would have killed a lot of founding fathers, our first president, Lincoln, or we can go later and say Roosevelt. They all did things far worse than anything Bush has.


Just like today. If you really love America you should wake up and take control of her, otherwise other countries in the world will be forced to put her down like a mad dog and guess what, in the future countries will be able to 'CRUSH' America.


We've got a few decades before that would ever be possible. And there will never be a time when America couldn't bleed any nation that challenges it very badly. Any superpower looking to fight with America better be prepared to risk their superpower status, even in victory.


Well China will help DPRK and Syria will destroy Israel with the help of Iran, at the same time The Iraqis and Iranians will be destroying the U.S. forces in the Region. Now the U.S. is cut in half and guess what, they will have no one to save them.


What you're talking about is a world war at this point, but whatever...

China won't help North Korea. They stand nothing to gain by helping the North, especially if they were the instigators. Right now China is still far too weak to oppose America like that. Their economy relies completely on American companies.

The Iranians have no way of aiding the Syrians. With Iraq and Afghanistan in America's hands, they couldn't give do anything. They don't have the resources to act, anyway. It would take everything they had to fight against America. Israel has fought against all of the Middle East in the past alone, as well. There's no way Syria and Iran are going to take them out alone.


When countries stand up to America, the world watches, they don't stand up too. Only England does because of reasons you should know. Old Europe doesn't need America to be the big father anymore. They could just as live without them. When the Iranians, Syrians, DPRK and Iraqis are allied. The U.S. will have a 2 front war in the pacific and the middle east and the will lose.


Europe can not live without America. Besides the fact that we are still very close friends (in spite of Iraq and the media), economically and militarilly are fates are tied together. If America's economy suffers, Europe suffers. Their economies are very weak if you didn't know. They can't live without America. In this day and age, the world economy could not lose America. No other single nation comes close to having as much impact. All of Europe together is about the only equal.

A two front war against the Middle East and North Korea is nothing. In WW2 we fought both Nazis and the Japanese, two nations that were formidable on their own, and had true fanactics. Besides that, we'd never be fighting heavily against North Korea. The South would.

[edit on 5-3-2005 by Disturbed Deliverer]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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Ok...you said a lot but I don't wanna talk about this anymore, I'm going to sleep in a while. But you said Europe can't live without the U.S. but you imply that China can live without the DPRK...

I live in China and I know that culture has a lot more to do with relationships than the westernized world. And on top of that, it goes beyond culture, it goes back to the fact that all the people on the Korean peninnusla and japan originated in China. All the language, Kanji and Korean comes from hanzi or chinese script. So in essence the DPRK will always have a friend in China and china will spare her own to save the DPRK. Eventually they want all Americans kicked out and the whole peninnsula turned back to communist rule.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 11:55 PM
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Ok...you said a lot but I don't wanna talk about this anymore, I'm going to sleep in a while. But you said Europe can't live without the U.S. but you imply that China can live without the DPRK...


China can survive fine without North Korea. The economic ties can't be much. Politically North Korea holds China back in many ways. China does not need conflict in their region yet, and North Korea is most likely to start something.


I live in China and I know that culture has a lot more to do with relationships than the westernized world. And on top of that, it goes beyond culture, it goes back to the fact that all the people on the Korean peninnusla and japan originated in China. All the language, Kanji and Korean comes from hanzi or chinese script. So in essence the DPRK will always have a friend in China and china will spare her own to save the DPRK. Eventually they want all Americans kicked out and the whole peninnsula turned back to communist rule.


China gains nothing by having North Korea but maybe a nice bumper. The cultural ties are ancient. There's nothing between the two nations today.



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