Schrödinger's Cat is a bunch of BS

originally posted by: CryHavoc
Schrödinger's Cat is a bunch of BS
It just requires some selfish guy who thinks whether he observed something or not makes a bit of difference. It doesn't. The Cat is either dead or alive. It's not both.

You do not understand the concept behind this thought experiment. What it points out is *incomplete observation* results in a faulty conclusion. To sum up the experiment: one cannot know whether the cat is alive or dead until the box is opened up and the cat is observed.

Fortunately for me, I shave my Shrodinger's Cat with Occam's Razor.

BUT! Is your cereal box half empty or half full? The cat would know.

Clearly Schrodinger hated cats so much that he wanted to put them in a state of quantum flux so as to never allow their waveform to collapse into the observed phenomenon.

originally posted by: TheTruthRocks
To sum up the experiment: one cannot know whether the cat is alive or dead until the box is opened up and the cat is observed.

The state may not be known, but it doesn't actually exist in both states. There can be only one.

originally posted by: TheTruthRocks
Fortunately for me, I shave my Shrodinger's Cat with Occam's Razor.

Beautiful!

And an interesting way to say that you shave your pussy.

isnt it wonderful that we can think about a thought experiment like Schrödinger's box and the cat , yet we havent a clue what consciousness even is which is the reason we can observe things to begin with.

a reply to: CryHavoc

It just shows that you don't fully understand the concept. Schrondinger's Cat demonstrates the act of measuring or observing something changes that thing. Light exists as a wave and as a particle until you measure it. Superposition of particle spins, quantam entanglement. This concept is not only not bs, it kind of laid the groundwork for all current high energy physics. Clearly, you are no Einstein, Einstein.

a reply to: richapau

Isnt there also the confusion over the word "observer" as in you dont need a conscious observer like a human with eyes and a brain to physically observe the experiment as in see the light information in their eyes .

observation in this sense is referred to as measurement !
it is the act of measurement of light in the double slit experiment
not a human observing the light

originally posted by: richapau
It just shows that you don't fully understand the concept. Schrondinger's Cat demonstrates the act of measuring or observing something changes that thing. Light exists as a wave and as a particle until you measure it. Superposition of particle spins, quantam entanglement. This concept is not only not bs, it kind of laid the groundwork for all current high energy physics. Clearly, you are no Einstein, Einstein.

Gotta love when a discussion turns to insults.

Clearly you don't seen to get that the observer has no effect on the outcome other than the time of observation.

Also, you should really learn to spell Schrödinger before anyone will take you seriously.

Schrodinger's cat sure was ignored.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: CryHavoc

Simplified: Observation affects the outcome, and the outcome doesn't exist until the observation is made.

Or put another way, a spectrum of multiple outcomes co-exist in a probability wave until it is collapsed through observation into a single outcome.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, the Multi-Worlds Multiverse theorey takes this a step further and proposes that anything that is "possible" actually occurs in every instant and creates a new universe and timeline and our reality is just of those universes. So somewhere there is a parallel universe where you are President, somewhere a universe where you won the lottery, somewhere a universe where you struck by a meteorite and died as a baby ad infinitum. Your existence is a succession of the most likely outcomes, but all other possible outcomes split into other timelines and universes and also exist.

the Multi-Worlds Multiverse theorey takes this a step further and proposes that anything that is "possible" actually occurs in every instant and creates a new universe and timeline and our reality is just of those universes.

a reply to: Extorris

It's wrong.

So somewhere there is a parallel universe where you are President,

There is already a President. Someone else.

somewhere a universe where you won the lottery,

Someone wins the lottery.

somewhere a universe where you struck by a meteorite and died as a baby

That could happen to someone.

Every event is already being carried out in the classic sense. In our reality.

All real events. All different. All experiences that can possibly happen. Will happen to real people. Without magic or misrepresentation.

The individuals are the Many Worlds.

originally posted by: CryHavoc

originally posted by: richapau
It just shows that you don't fully understand the concept. Schrondinger's Cat demonstrates the act of measuring or observing something changes that thing. Light exists as a wave and as a particle until you measure it. Superposition of particle spins, quantam entanglement. This concept is not only not bs, it kind of laid the groundwork for all current high energy physics. Clearly, you are no Einstein, Einstein.

Gotta love when a discussion turns to insults.

Clearly you don't seen to get that the observer has no effect on the outcome other than the time of observation.

Also, you should really learn to spell Schrödinger before anyone will take you seriously.

I agree. The observer has no effect on the state of the object. The object is what it is. We just don't know what it is until we look at it our selves. The act of seeing it with our own eyes did not change the state at all, it merely just confirms the state of the object in question.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
Schrodinger's cat sure was ignored.

But was its cat box empty or full?

originally posted by: jidnum
I agree. The observer has no effect on the state of the object. The object is what it is. We just don't know what it is until we look at it our selves. The act of seeing it with our own eyes did not change the state at all, it merely just confirms the state of the object in question.

But you still have to look.

a reply to: CryHavoc

You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with cats or boxes. What the double slit and Schrodinger's cat go to suggest and many experiments since have just given more creedence to is that like in a video game, the real world is rendered in real time. The common example is that when you play grand theft auto, all the characters you see on the streets are not living some life according to the programming throughout the game or the level. Instead because. It is all the computer is capable of, until you are actually looking down one of those streets the characters don't exist and the street doesn't exist. All that exists are a list of possible characters and the streets zipped up information and if you have an older computer you can even see it. Just turn the corner quickly and you can see gray and as you watch fractals and odd shaped segments will be rendered or filled in because for all that ai to work as well as all the game functions it needs the total capacity of the system so until it is in the characters field of view it ain't there. Once you pass something on screen it goes back to not being rendered at all and not existing. Modified slit experiments suggest it is highly likely that life is not rendered till it is beheld and some experiments even say they have found the rendering capacity for the software that is life on Earth and the slit experiments proves it. The speed of light is possibly the speed of the computer our simulation is running on. Why else would it be that anywhere but in a computer simulation would rendering things at full speed actually make the whole program slow down to catch up as happens in real life. Dunno if I believe it all but it's quite compelling in that it might also mean that many people we interact with or maybe even everyone on Earth but you is just a soulless SIM character going about nothing till you cross paths.

originally posted by: rom12345
Schrödinger's Cat
is both BS and not BS at the same time

Only if you don't observe it.

a reply to: CryHavoc

First off, you have to remember the truth... there is no cat.

It is a metaphor, a method of communication
, a comparison where your common sense version of the world is not adequate to describe the quanta interactions.

(Technically, we are alive, dying, and or dead all the time... that is why you urinate! You are clearing dead things out of your blood stream)

You have missed the whole point! You are so sure that you are right that you are calling a thought experiment BS... so did Schrodinger! He wished that he had used a different metaphor to explain the concept.

You are aware that they (boffins) took a photo of superposition this year?? I mean, seeing is believing, right?

Einstein didn’t like the idea either and called it “spooky action at a distance.” But a hundred years of experiments keep on showing that it exists and that we don’t know everything.

Besides, science is only a small part of the story but one that is verifiable and repeatable. Ideas change. And you might want to be more open to possibilities than closed down. Less stressful that way.

First of all the thought experiment was an attempt by Schrodinger to ascribe the characteristics of a quantum particle to an existing real world object (the cat).

They are nothing alike and do not react the same way. Quantum objects can exist theoretically in all possible states. Cats exist in only one. Objects of a large size are nothing like Quantum size particles.

Yes its weird and spooky but its a proven scientific fact that Quantum objects exists in every possible state. Quantumn diodes exploit this phenomenon in a variety of devices we use daily.

An electron approaches a barrier. One possibility is that the electron reaches the barrier, disappears and continues on its path on the opposite side.

Guess what you can mathematically predict exactly how often this will occur. These devices have been used for decades and they are very precise.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

A quantumn tunneling microscope is an an example of a real world device that uses this phenomenon.

The cat is either alive or dead. A quantumn particle can be both due to the nature of things of that size. Once an object reaches a size beyond the Planck scale they no longer behave as a wave and they also no longer exist in a super position of states.

I liked it better when it was called Zeno's arrow.
Because arrows are better than cats, and the question of if the arrow is there yet or not is continuously ongoing the more you re-assess it.

It is like the stupid cat in the box ad infinitum

a reply to: dubiousatworst

Zeno’s Paradox was about discrete distances in an infinite mathematical framework (I.,e., they are not compatible which is part of the answer to the Schrodinger’s Cat question. The maths are different).

The cat is about thinking differently. That is about it. And still plagues Newtonian physics vs quantum mechanics. Macro vs micro.