China scientists warn of global cooling trick up nature’s sleeve

Stephen Chen

Published: 6:30am, 11 Aug, 2019

A new study has found winters in northern China have been warming since 4,000BC – regardless of human activity – but the mainland scientists behind the research warn there is no room for complacency or inaction on climate change, with the prospect of a sudden global cooling also posing a danger.

The study found that winds from Arctic Siberia have been growing weaker, the conifer tree line has been retreating north, and there has been a steady rise in biodiversity in a general warming trend that continues today. It appears to have little to do with the increase in greenhouse gases which began with the industrial revolution, according to the researchers.

Lead scientist Dr Wu Jing, from the Key Laboratory of Cenozoic Geology and Environment at the Institute of Geology and Geophysics, part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said the study had found no evidence of human influence on northern China’s warming winters.

“Driving forces include the sun, the atmosphere, and its interaction with the ocean,” Wu said. “We have detected no evidence of human influence. But that doesn't mean we can just relax and do nothing.”

Wu and her colleagues spent more than a dozen years studying sediments under Moon Lake, a small volcanic lake hidden in the deep forests of the Greater Khingan Mountain Range in China’s Inner Mongolia autonomous region. They found that winter warming over the past 6,000 years had not been a smooth ride, with ups and downs occurring about every 500 years.

Their findings confirmed an earlier study by a separate team of Chinese scientists, published by online journal Scientific Reports in 2014, which first detected the 500-year cyclical pattern of China’s summer monsoons and linked it to solar activity.
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China scientists warn of global cooling trick up nature’s sleeve

This is the second peer reviewed article from China in which they found that mankind is not the cause for the warming in northern China. in fact both studies found that there is a 500 year cycle, and also fund that warming over the past 6,000 years had not been a "smooth ride" with ups and downs in temperature occurring about every 500 years... This 500 year cycle has been linked to solar activity and not to atmospheric CO2.

What's more, the scientists caution people that nature can catch us unprepared and instead of more warming, that a cooling cycle also poses dangers.

As the scientists mention: "Wu and her colleagues are concerned that, as societies grow more used to the concept of global warming, people will develop a misplaced confidence in our ability to control climate change. Nature, they warned, may trick us and might catch us totally unprepared – causing chaos, panic, famine and even wars as the global climate system is disrupted."

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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

She doesn't seem to be talking about global cooling. She seems to be talking about internal variability affecting the area around Moon lake.

According to Wu, the variation in solar activity alone was usually not strong enough to induce the rapid changes in vegetation the research team recorded in the sediment cores of Moon Lake. Instead, the scientists found the warming impact was amplified by a massive, random interaction between surface seawater and the atmosphere in the Pacific Ocean known as the El Nino-Southern Oscillation.

Weird. The terms "500 year cycle" and "random interaction" don't seem to go together very well.

I don't suppose you've found a link to the actual paper? The South China Post seems to be confused.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Nobel cause corruption!

Sometimes you need to look the the Chinese and Russians for the truth of things. It is no wonder the overlords in the U.S. Deep State don’t like them.

a reply to: Metallicus

Sometimes you need to look the the Chinese and Russians for the truth of things.

Yeah. When they confirm your personal paradigm, they're right. If not, they're wrong.

Right?

I don't suppose you have a link to the actual paper? Seeing what it actually says would probably be the first place to start.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wether we are contributing to climate change or not, it doesn’t alter the fact we are polluting the crap out the earth, poisoning the oceans and effectively making the planet a harder place to live on for future generations.

Greed is the problem.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Sometimes you need to look the the Chinese and Russians for the truth of things. It is no wonder the overlords in the U.S. Deep State don’t like them.

Of course you need no further proof. China agree, China good.

a reply to: Phage

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Vegetation and Climate Change During the Last Deglacaition in the Great Khingan Mountain, North East China

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Conclusions (from the study)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The pollen record from Lake Moon in the Great Khingan Mountain, Northeast China covers a time interval from 20.9 ka to 10.8 ka BP. It reveals six significant shifts in the vegetation: alpine meadow between 20.9 and 20.3 ka, dry steppe from 20.3 ka to 17.4 ka, alpine meadow again in the period of 17.4–14.4 ka and forest steppe since 14.4 ka within an expansion of steppe during 12.8–11.8 ka.

The vegetation changes and reconstructed temperature and humidity index from the Lake Moon show distinct changes such as H1, B-A warming and YD events recorded in the North Atlantic. The onset of first deglacial warming of the study area was at ~20.3 ka BP, which synchronous with the decreasing of the global ice volumes and rising of the sea level. This warming trend is interrupted by H1-like event, which suggests that the shutdown of thermohaline circulation has a significant effect on the EASM. The B-A warming after H1-like event implies a drastic warming and wetting of the deglacial climate under strong EASM influence. The following YD-like event suggests declines of temperature and humidity caused by the weakening of EASM, while the temperature and humidity rise further in early Holocene because of the intensification of EASM once again.

The pollen-based temperature reconstruction in the study area suggests that the change of ice volumes in high latitude region might play an important role, while the humidity could mainly be affected by the ocean conveyor belt circulation, teleconnected with the North Atlantic region after B-A warming.

EASM means East Asiam Summer Monsoon

Conclusions (from the study)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Pretty sad when we have to rely on communist Chinese scientists to present any factual data on climate change.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

hold up a minute.

you don't trust american and european agw scientists because they are bought and paid for by the gov through grants, but trust communist scientists (that can literally be killed if their finding disagree with the partys stance) against agw?

weird.

originally posted by: stormson
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

hold up a minute.

you don't trust american and european agw scientists because they are bought and paid for by the gov through grants, but trust communist scientists (that can literally be killed if their finding disagree with the partys stance) against agw?

weird.

The only real problem with that theory is that the Chinese government has no intention of implementing carbon taxes or other climate scam tax system on it's citizens like the communists in America support like for example Jay Inslee, Washington state's governor is promoting.

originally posted by: Phage

Yeah. When they confirm your personal paradigm, they're right. If not, they're wrong.

Right?

I don't suppose you have a link to the actual paper? Seeing what it actually says would probably be the first place to start.

We also need to understand that China is the greatest polluter on the planet in CO2, most polluted cities, plastics in our oceans etc. A study like this favors them and of course a communist Goverment that basically invented propaganda. A scientific paper that supports what China is doing would mean the scientist are good citizens of the People's Republic of China. A paper that does not....well we know what happens to those types of people...

Phage,

We had a good talk in the recent past about how little the sun influences climate changes and I remember saying that scientist keep using it as a scapegoat, and here we are once again see it use as an important causal in all this.

originally posted by: stormson

hold up a minute.

you don't trust american and european agw scientists because they are bought and paid for by the gov through grants, but trust communist scientists (that can literally be killed if their finding disagree with the partys stance) against agw?

weird.

Here is some realities climate change aside.






I think they are planning on building another 100 coal power plants. China doesn't care....

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

The only real problem with that theory is that the Chinese government has no intention of implementing carbon taxes or other climate scam tax system on it's citizens like the communists in America support like for example Jay Inslee, Washington state's governor is promoting.

Since 2011, China has been experimenting with cap-and-trade programs in several pilot cities, including Shanghai and Shenzhen. The country plans to gradually roll out a nationwide cap-and-trade program starting in 2020, with several years of testing before expanding to major sectors like electricity, steel and concrete.

If China manages to follow through, it will have created the largest carbon-pricing program in the world. But the government has not yet finalized key details, like how high it will set the overall emissions cap. Chinese officials have been talking with representatives from California and the European Union, trying to learn from their often-rocky experiences in designing cap-and-trade programs....

a reply to: Xtrozero

those graphs are great for the "why should we change if they aren't crowd".

the answer is: because you mow your grass even when your neighbor doesn't.

a reply to: blend57

Well there goes the sunshine in China.. I got that wrong.

originally posted by: stormson

those graphs are great for the "why should we change if they aren't crowd".

the answer is: because you mow your grass even when your neighbor doesn't.

I agree, but my point is people keep putting down the US as a huge offender, hating Trump for dropping out of the Paris accord while China was in it etc... Then we look at reality and it paints a different picture.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

No Biggie...look at how many others are implementing the tax...it will eventually be heading our way I think. No matter how much time we spend on the climate change argument. That's really what I wanted to point out... your post just gave me the opportunity to do so.



The US has it enacted In some states already:

With Congress largely gridlocked on climate policy, the main carbon pricing efforts in the United States have unfolded at the state level.

There are some signs that carbon pricing could expand further in the states. Virginia and New Jersey are making moves to join the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, and several Northeastern states are planning a similar program for cars and trucks that would put a price on transportation fuels and invest in mass transit, electric buses or other low-carbon solutions....

If that article is factual, it will be coming to a state near you soon because....money. The argument of whether it is caused by humans or not is irrelevant at this point. It seems that either way we are going to have to pay to slow it down because that is what's needed.

Just my opinion of course.

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