It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

All countries should end birthright citizenship ASAP - my simplistic recommendations/proposals

page: 1
1

log in

join
share:

posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 07:12 AM
link   
We have all heard of the phenomenon of "anchor babies", "birth tourism" and "birthright citizenship".

We will look at this simplistically and I will present my recommendations/proposals simplistically.

In some countries like the UK and some EU countries until recently, you would automatically become a citizen upon birth if *at least* one parent was either a citizen or had "settled" status at the time of your birth.

My simplistic recommendations/proposals, as follows -


An individual, "C", being born in Country X, only becomes a (natural-born) citizen of Country X if and only if:

...BOTH the biological mother AND biological father of "C" were citizens of Country X at the time of "C" being born.

"C" will not automatically become a citizen if:

A. One or both of the biological parents have "settled status" and is not a citizen of Country X; or

B. One of the biological parents, not being a citizen of Country X at the time of the birth of "C", married a citizen of Country X prior to or at the time of the birth of "C"; or

C. One or more of the grandparents of "C" are citizens of Country X, but neither or one of the biological parents of "C are citizens of Country X; or

D. The identity of the one or both of the biological parents of "C" are unable to be verified or one or both are unable to be located and/or "C" has been adopted and/or taken into care at the time of birth in Country X (Appendix I - in such an instance, efforts will be made to trace the nation-origin of "C" and if such efforts are successful, "C" will be returned to said country; in the event that efforts are unsuccessful, "C" will be granted natural-born citizenship by whatever legislature or official is responsible in Country X such as a Secretary of State or a Home Secretary.)



Dunno if all of the bases have been covered - but it's an exemplary simplistic way of approaching the above...

edit on 4-9-2019 by AnakinWayneII because: Non-legally binding recommendations




posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 07:33 AM
link   
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Yep, gotta love reading to get through all that.

But yes! End birthright citizenship that way we could all just be citizens of earth and have a passportless free reign of the travel and live/settle anywhere we decide after exploring.....

The benefits of ending birthright citizenship would be exponential in so many ways.

Certainly it would finially be a step in the right direction towards real freedom.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:17 AM
link   
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I'm going to require a spreadsheet to fully understand all your scenarios; but let me give you a scenario.

Woman works in another country of which she is not a citizen. Her visa in that country is not considered a visa for immigration purposes. Meaning as soon as the employer released her she must leave the country.

She meets a man and gets pregnant. She has the baby in the country she currently works in but is not a citizen of. What nationality is the child at birth? Is it the mother's nationality tho it was born in another country? But what if Dad is from the country the child was born in? Is it now the dad's nationality? What if Dad is from an third country? Is it no longer dad's nationality because it wasn't born in dad's country? What if Dad is from a third country and was only in the country on a tourist visa or a work visa as well?

Now reverse the scenario to where dad is the one on a non immigration visa. Does that change things when it is mom holding the nationality of where the child is born.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:52 AM
link   
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

That's a solution to a problem that does not really exist, the problem is not people who have a parent who is a legal resident, the problem is that this law is being misused to allow children whose parents are not legal residents to get citizenship here. Thus the birth tourism problem in the US and "anchor babies", if you are a legal resident or citizen then you don't need an anchor baby. The solution is for Trump to go ahead and reinterpret that law.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 09:16 AM
link   
a reply to: funbobby

I agree that the Law is being misapplied. Birthright citizenship of a child shouldn't legitimize the immigration of the parent and under current US immigration law it doesn't. There is no reason to reinterpret anything because the Law is pretty clear that mommy isn't a citizen nor is she granted an immigration status simply because she has a US citizen child.

A baby only anchors the mother because people are not following the current immigration laws. On top of this all a Citizen baby can not legally sponsor mom until he is 18 and under current immigration law Mom has triggered a ban if she illegally entered to begin with.

The issue in America is we are not following current Law. If we just followed the law it would take care of so many problems.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 09:24 AM
link   
The constitution is not up for debate when it comes to guns, why should it be up for debate when ir comes to being born on American soil?



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 11:13 AM
link   

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: AnakinWayneII
Woman works in another country of which she is not a citizen. Her visa in that country is not considered a visa for immigration purposes. Meaning as soon as the employer released her she must leave the country.
She meets a man and gets pregnant. She has the baby in the country she currently works in but is not a citizen of. What nationality is the child at birth?


Unfortunately, it usually turns out to be the country with the most free goodies and benefits.
edit on 9/4/2019 by Inconceivable because: spelling



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 12:33 PM
link   
a reply to: Identified

EXACTLY



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 01:07 AM
link   

originally posted by: odzeandennz
The constitution is not up for debate when it comes to guns, why should it be up for debate when ir comes to being born on American soil?

Maybe because one of those amendments are from the original draft of the constitution, and another one was adopted after the civil war with the intent to give slaves citizenship, not foreigners the ability to pop out US citizens. I'll let you figure out which one is which.



posted on Sep, 6 2019 @ 11:28 AM
link   
All countries should just unite and change birth area from countries to Earth citizenship. While moving onto space. Ban all illegal space aliens from trying to get Earth citizen ships because they might be plotting to takeover the planet and wipe Human race out.

edit on 6-9-2019 by makemap because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 6 2019 @ 02:00 PM
link   

originally posted by: makemap
All countries should just unite and change birth area from countries to Earth citizenship. While moving onto space. Ban all illegal space aliens from trying to get Earth citizen ships because they might be plotting to takeover the planet and wipe Human race out.



Um...okay.



posted on Sep, 6 2019 @ 02:46 PM
link   
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

That is the truth. Get ready or stay stuck and be conquered. Every country needs a plan to change their system. It seems Americans are the only one who refuses to change and calls everything communist and other human brothers as invaders. This ain't the 19th century bro. So, don't expect any steam punk shhhs.
edit on 6-9-2019 by makemap because: (no reason given)




top topics



 
1

log in

join