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For Those Against Trump, Win or Lose

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posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe
a reply to: lostbook

Perhaps you can tell me exactly what he has done to boost the economy at the expense of the environment? Keep in mind we have exceeded the carbon emission goals, in spite of how useless they are, since he was president.


After years of decline, US carbon emissions are rising again
www.vox.com...




posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

At the end of the day Trump is dishonest, self-serving and is allergic to taking any responsibility.

Hell, he mispoke and publicly announced that Alabama was going to get hit by hurricane Dorian.

The National Weather Service had to issue a release saying it would NOT get hit by hurricane Dorian.

Did Trump say "my bad"?...Nope he doubled down, panicked people be damned.

He took a NOAA map, drew a fake path with a sharpie marker and then showed it to reporters in the WH to prove he was right.

www.nbcnews.com...

It's just amazing...The man has serious mental issues. No Joke.

Biden is much more tolerable than HRC and HRC only lost by only 70k votes over 3 states after a massive voter suppression campaign, while taking the popular vote by almost 3M.

Compared to Trump, Biden looks like JFK. Whatever your politics, the prediction that Trump will win re-election is ridiculous.

www.realclearpolitics.com...


The majority of the country would vote for a random stranger over Trump



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 10:29 AM
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I'm not sure if you know this but, the USA has been in a perpetual state of war with the world for over 70 years . name a ten-year span since WWII that we haven't used our military to enforce a policy or agenda. stop being an ostrich and take your head out of whatever hole it's in. name another president who didnt further their own agenda...doesnt make it right.... just makes it true.

a reply to: shanjuran



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 12:53 PM
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Who is this man you speak of?



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

Trump is a national embarrassment. You'd need White Obama.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

Well said.


I voted for Trump for several reasons. One was because I know in my heart this nation could not have survived obama 2.0 which is all we would have gotten with clinton, or worse yet clinton 2.0. The main reason I voted for him is because he is not a career politician. Anything he can do to rid us of those career leaches is fine with me. I support him 100%.

I was watching the news last night, not certain but pretty sure it was fox (I was flipping channels alot) I heard someone say that, "Trump is being treated so unfairly. Every single thing he says is immediately checked, cross checked, scrutinized, twisted, attacked, and vilified like no sitting President before him. They attack his words, his actions, his policies, his wife, his children, his business. It has to stop. It is hurting this nation."

What amazed me the most is that the person who said it was Heraldo Rivera.

I have struggled to understand why democrats and the media seem determined to find flaw in every single thing Trump says or does. After two years I think I finally got it. The reason is really very simple: Dems and the media invested so much time and effort in stating very pointedly and in no uncertain terms that Trump didn't have a chance in hell to win and he was a fool to run against hillary that there is absolutely no way for them to walk it back. They were rabid in their assertions that Trump would be a disaster of a POTUS and the death of this nation. Dems and the media were so sure of themselves they put their reputations (what little they had) on the line - and got their a$$es handed to them for it.

Now the only thing they can do is sabotage every effort Trump makes and try to pick apart every single thing he says and does in a desperate attempt to find something, anything, they can use to say, "See? We were right."

Sorry, but its not going to happen. Even if Trump gets caught beating puppies with a baseball bat it still won't be enough to erase all the hate and stupidity from the left for the last three years. It will barely scratch the surface.

The dems are in full meltdown mode - and either proud of it or in complete denial about it. Its actually fun to watch. The guy I know irl I used to battle with is now in therapy because of Trump. Now mind you, he said that in a public forum with the intent of showing how bad Trump is... It never even crossed his tiny little mind that it says more about him than it ever will about Trump.

Absolutely amazing - but fun to watch.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 02:50 PM
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I would vote for Trump because he's terrible and I love his divisiveness...

I hope Trump's 2nd term brings about civil unrest and a new order...

I think he will break the system, but not in a way his supporters want.
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posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Thank you for your insightful post. I think you nailed it - they stuck their necks all the way out and got chopped. I'll only add that it's not just the dems but the entire lying world media that got smacked. That's why there are those like the poster directly above yours. It's Mushroom World - keep 'em in the dark and feed them sh!t all day.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 03:22 PM
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You know it's kind of maddening watching the left practicing synchronized insanity.

That is until I remembered that George Soros donated a record 18 billion dollars to his Open Societies Foundation charity.

It is a full scale grassroots movement for people with an affinity for scripted idiocy.

Add to that the umbrella corps that own the mediapublishing houses that have pledged loyalty to this dumbing down of society by pushing the pettiest, most antagonistic narrative foisted upon a pill popping society of lazy c@#&$ with no sense of accountability for their own lives and you'll find yourself smack bang in the middle of 2019.

There are no flying cars but have you seen the garbage disposal technology?

What kind of person burns down his own house on the instructions of a diabolical global elite that craves one big authoritarian state that will ultimately make Stalin seem like little league?

As soon as Obama ok'd the propaganda act upon US citizens is when things got really hairy real fast.

A vote for the democrats is akin to suicide albeit a very slow method. And yet...



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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I've actually warmed up to Trump since he became president. I'm not sure what to say my political leanings are. I believe both parties are mostly full of crap.

I also do not care about what Trump says. I just want him to act in the publics best interest. I find Trump to be better at doing this than the last few presidents. This is a definite improvement to me. He may be stupid. I do not care.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

You are 100% right. When he was in the primaries in 2016 my family and I voted for Marco Rubio, but when I saw all the bs that the left-wing media & the left in general were claiming about him, since then we(my family and I) actually listened to his agenda we changed our vote for Trump.

Since the beginning the left, and deep state with the help of the left-wing media, have been making lie after lie after lie about Trump. OMG Melania is nowhere to be seen, after the left-wing media themselves covered the surgery Melania just had, and what did the left do?... "We care about Melania, Trump did something to her..." LOL The LIES continue to this day, and unfortunately people that either don't have time to research, or only listen to CNN/MSNBC/any other left-wing news media, believe every lie the left has been making.

I truly hope that Trump is re-elected because we have in the democrat party "full blown socialists," and they will not only crumble everything good POTUS Trump has done, but will implement more policies that will ruin EVERYONE except the left-wing elites. These aholes are calling for "zero carbon based electricity/transportation etc by 2030..." And they claim "people will have to get used to being a little bit uncomfortable..." These IDIOTS are insane, and too many people believe this insanity...







edit on 5-9-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe



A Fair Argument there Brother . Truth Always Defeats Lies in the End.........









tv.infowars.com...



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

After years of decline, US carbon emissions are rising again
www.vox.com...




You want to claim POTUS Trump is dishonest and the first thing you do is post a fake news story which has this particular graph which shows the article is lying?...


www.vox.com...

Transportation is the only data which seems to be showing a trend of going up a bit, but it could just be a dip for all we know...
The others show several dips and that could be what the data at the end of the graph is showing.



edit on 5-9-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment & correct link.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Every single line on that graph is moving upward, right about at the 2017 point..wtf are you looking at?



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Every single line on that graph is moving upward, right about at the 2017 point..wtf are you looking at?



I know...Weird right? It's like being a trump zealot effects visual perception.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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Trump is just our chance to use a good punch back at the Deep State. He's just one in a sequence of political martial arts moves. They're revealing who they are in their war with Trump. Entities who used to be very quiet are suddenly feeling the need to speak out, almost in defense, because of how outspoken Trump is. It's a game they were not prepared for, but they're pouring everything they've got into the media and false-flag crises to create situations which make it hard for Trump to lead. We have to use Trump to secure a place for a worthy successor in 2024. Eventually his value to OUR values may run out or turn around. We have to realize what has been enabled under Trump, but expect that we'll need other successors to continue to fortify the Republic and the Constitution against the globalist left and the Deep State they've created in America.
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posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: Extorris

No, its knowing how to read a chart. Obviously, you do not.

Just because one point on the graph is higher than another does not mean it is a trend. It means one point on the graph is higher than another. Trend data takes time. That is why its called a trend.

Trend: the general movement over time of a statistically detectable change.

Transportation is the only one on the chart that is measurably higher at the end of the graph. Power is clearly trending downward. The other two are not in great enough variance to be noted as trending. The slight uptick at the end of the graph for industry and buildings is no greater than any other temporary uptick along the same scale. It has to exceed the normal uptick and sustain that upward motion until it is beyond the range of the normal vacillation to be considered a trend. These graphs clearly do not indicate upward trending for anything other than Transportation. But power is trending downward at a greater rate than transportation is trending upward. As such, the overall result is good.

ElectricUniverse even highlighted a trend and you still didn't get it. Try to keep up guys. Please. It makes things so much easier.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 11:24 PM
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For those who tend to go far left or far right, here is some information about your problem with mental fluidity or narrow mindedness. www.sciencedaily.com...

Evidently some people cannot see both sides and evaluate things properly, they may not be smart enough to evaluate the whole picture.

So, do not go to far left or right, stay in the middle because that is where people who can think correctly reside.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

I agreed with much of your post and found it overall to be reasonable and rational. As a Libertarian I have never voted for or supported either of the two mainstream party's so I didn't experience any of the initial animus directed towards Trump that started out as just ridiculous and over the top and has steadily gone downhill all the way over into crazy town. The absurd reaction towards Trump and by extension towards the right isn't new to American politics nor has it always been limited to just one side (think: Clinton impeachment/Ken Starr) but it has been a growing phenomena that has concerned me. I've noticed the increase in bitter feuding and hateful rhetoric that has been ramping up in both frequency and ferocity and has resulted not only in deeply dividing the electorate which is bad enough but it also has essentially rendered neither side capable of functioning as an adequate foil for keeping the other side of the aisle in check. Another result of all of this political discord being sowed has been a dramatic shifting of power or political seesawing back and fourth between election cycle's in which neither side upon taking power even attempts bipartisan gestures and instead only panders exclusively to their own narrow base and then often proceed to further agitate and alienate not just the other side but all those who's politics don't exactly line up with the current agenda. We have become a nation divided almost hell-bent on civil war in a world that is very much a powder keg that is ready to blow and it doesn't bode well for anyone.

Aside from the missile attack on Syria, frequent tendency's towards brinkmanship and the all too common increases that we've become accustomed to in government spending from both sides the only serious concern I have really had about Trump's policy is his stance on the red flag laws and what appears to be a gradual shift of the entire system towards eroding the 2nd amendment. Just in the last 100 years the world witnessed Hitler, Stalin and Mao all use some familiar tactics similar to what we see occurring right now: fear-based propaganda, false flags (burning the Reichstag, real and staged mass shootings), psychiatric labeling (excuses to disarm veterans or any deemed unfit), etc. to disarm the people and what followed was the systematic murder of almost 100 million innocent people as well as shutting down all dissent and leaving the remaining masses terrified. This could be the greatest threat to liberty and may be all that substantively remains in the way of tyranny and oppression. I continually hope that Trump isn't just the current incarnation or puppet of the elite playing political good cop to the right (something akin to Obama and the left) and that things will eventually work out, the nation will slowly heal and the world won't blow up... but I'd be lying if I ignored all the signs over the years and said I thought everything was just fine.



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 11:56 PM
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Plus, people who make surveys or who know surveys are being taken...are capable of using media-plays to nudge data. We should assume that all surveys which are generated by the media or by academics are somewhat biased.







 
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