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Walmart's New Gun and Ammo Stance

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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Gunfight at the OK Corral was all about Wyatt and Morgan Earp doing a little gun confiscation mission. So maybe...who knows.




posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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Walmart will not be graced by my presence nor will it have my dollars.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: Phoenix

Lol...


Said like everyone ever, 2 days before the next trip to Wally World lol.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
Wow.
Walmart is going to be like the old west.

Dodge City 1879:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Dammit. Now you've got a hankering for Prickly Ash Bitters to address my cacogastric ills and sprue.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

I don’t think many historians would agree with you..


It was almost certainly an assassination by the warps..

The “victims were not even all armed and obviously were not prepared for a fight.

That is WAY closer to a shady police shooting... oh it actually literally is a shady police shooting lol..



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: Phage

if the second amendment says “shall not be infringed and infringed literally means restrict.. how did dodge city restrict them?!?!


How does any law get passed that restricts gun ownership?!!


It is almost like no one thought the second amendment referred to personal gun ownership until the 1980s?!?!


Lol

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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: burdman30ott6

The wonderful thing about capitalism is that someone will step up to fill the void. It actually is an opportunity for someone to open a small mom and pop shop where no other options exist. In Kodiak, an ammo and reloading shop could make a nice second income for one of the licensed guides if one does not already exist.



How do you do that in an era of nearly every transaction being electronic, Blaine? How in the blue hell does a Mom & Pop get the capital required to start those businesses, let alone find enough hard cash paying customers to offset the ridiculous policies of some of the major banks in regards to firearm and ammo sales? This crap doesn't matter at, say, a Walmart because they're large enough and generate enough capital that the banks won't dick with them, locally owned stores, however, haven't got a prayer against these fools.
www.uslawshield.com...

Citigroup announced a new policy to business partners on March 22. This new policy prohibits the sale of firearms to customers who have not passed a background check, or customers who are under the age of 21. The bank is also barring the sale of bump stocks and standard-capacity magazines.

The new policy applies to all Citigroup clients who offer credit cards backed by Citigroup, borrow money, use banking services, or raise capital through the company.

The policy will restrict businesses who use Citigroup from selling items in their store that are otherwise completely legal in most states and at the federal level, just because their bank says they can’t.


www.pymnts.com...

POLITICSBanks, Credit Card Companies In Talks To Monitor Gun Sales
ByPYMNTS Posted on May 1, 2018
Credit cards

Banks and credit card companies are looking at ways to pinpoint gun purchases via their payment systems in what could be the first step in restricting purchases of guns.

The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the discussions, reported the talks are in the early stages and would bring a lot of pushback from pro-gun groups. Still, the financial companies are looking at ways to help in the wake of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida that left 17 dead.


Also, how many tax breaks and pandering tomfoolery at the expense of the tax payers are Mom & Pop stores benefitting from versus the massive list the asshats from Arkansas are the beneficiaries of?

We used to be traveling this road, with small local gun shops being the go to... then the Goddamned ATF pulled their little Fast & Furious stunt and in the aftermath they managed to close a handful of SW gun shops that had refused to cooperate with them in violating the law... this snowballed into other shops closing their doors or considering it, only to see some states start to open the door to lawsuits against small business gun shops, something no small business owner can afford. The big boys are playing games at this point and, frankly, I think it's past time for us to stand up and slap the piss out of them. Remove every tax break they get, remove every special dispensation they have received, and then see if they're still so eager to crusade from their ivory tower.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: Phage

Statistically, the most violent old west towns became far more violent when these laws were sparsely enacted. The towns that embraced freedom, on the other hand, were nowhere near the lawless hell some romantically view them as. In fact, there's a reason why the killers in the old west were cannonized (most with greatly overhyped body counts and crime figures by east coast dime store novelists)... that was because they were a gross exception and, thus, were in such minor numbers as to become celebrities. Many of those old west gunslingers had literally shot only one or two people in their lives, yet they were turned into grizzled killers by writers with dollar signs in their eyes and a lustful public in places like Chicago and NYC, eager to read these dramatizations.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Every Right is an Individual Right unless it specifically says it's a State Right.
Also remember the 9th Amendment. Sort of takes care of the confusion of what's a Right and what's not for "the People".



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Have they shot anyone yet? Is Walmart not selling something going to keep them from shooting at a Walmart in the Future?



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

With any business, you must first have the money on hand to support it's start up.

FFL licenses are not that difficult to get unless you have been convicted of a felony in the past.

Small towns in remote locations are one of the few places where you can do that, when you have no competition. The cost of not buying from the local merchant pushes people to buy local and with Walmart no longer in the picture? I can see it being profitable and no doubt someone living there will jump on that right away.

Selling guns may have a prohibitive start up cost, but selling ammo and reloading would not need that kind of money up front. Probably would not support anyone, but it would be a nice second income.
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posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Phage

if the second amendment says “shall not be infringed and infringed literally means restrict.. how did dodge city restrict them?!?!


How does any law get passed that restricts gun ownership?!!


It is almost like no one thought the second amendment referred to personal gun ownership until the 1980s?!?!


Lol


No idea about Dodge City, but when the law was enacted in Tombstone and lead to the OK Corral gunfight, AZ wasn't yet a state. As a result, in the ensuing lawsuit against the Earps, a territorial federal judge actually ruled the law was BS and the escalation by the Earps was likely criminal, EXCEPT that it was a frontier country incident and, therefore, set somewhat outside of the full coverage of the Constitution.
law2.umkc.edu...

Here's a nice one for you, though... go back 150 years and yes, you'll find the exact same demographics on the same sides as today. Republicans back then were arguing that the 2nd was intended to be an individual's unquestioned Right to keep and bear arms while the Democrats were arguing it was not intended to be such and that states should have the right to fully restrict as they saw fit, beyond what the federal government was willing to enact.
www.livescience.com...

One of the first rulings came in 1876 in U.S. v. Cruikshank. The case involved members of the Ku Klux Klan not allowing black citizens the right to standard freedoms, such as the right to assembly and the right to bear arms. As part of the ruling, the court said the right of each individual to bear arms was not granted under the Constitution. Ten years later, the court affirmed the ruling in Presser v. Illinois when it said that the Second Amendment only limited the federal government from prohibiting gun ownership, not the states.

The Supreme Court took up the issue again in 1894 in Miller v. Texas. In this case, Dallas' Franklin Miller sued the state of Texas, arguing that despite state laws saying otherwise, he should have been able to carry a concealed weapon under Second Amendment protection. The court disagreed, saying the Second Amendment does not apply to state laws, like Texas' restrictions on carrying dangerous weapons.

So your position was certainly appreciated by the court back in the days when blacks were 3/5th of a person and subject to all sorts of racist laws and controls the Democrats demanded be placed on them.

As to the modern appreciation of the Amendment, it has benefitted greatly from the devout lack of racism within current SCOTUS rulings. We've moved past racist policies like disarming society out of fear that the black man might be able to defend himself. Please, join us.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:04 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Read the links, it isn't just the start up cost, we're quickly heading to a point where banks, themselves, won't accept accounts from privately owned businesses that legally self firearms and ammunition. Citibank has already done it, in fact. How many mountains will we expect folks to climb before we admit there's an agenda at work here and it needs curtailed?



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

The Wild West, as you just pointed out, was not nearly so wild as it's portrayed in the movies, and in some literature...

Why? Because of the presence of **gasp of horror** guns. You walk/ride into a situation lookin' for trouble, you were very likely to find it.

...and a question for others in this thread who seem to think this decision by Walmart was a good one...

How is this going to stop anyone from walking in and shooting someone they happen to dislike?? All this does is convince some crazy individual that Walmart is now a free fire zone, a/k/a target rich environment. Just like schools. Just like churches. Etc...



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I'm not arguing there is no agenda being driven by the no guns crowd. I have no idea where that will end.

Credit Unions seems to be a work around if push comes to shove. No reason an industry can't create their own.

I was mainly intending on pointing out that Walmart is not the only game in town and often problems create opportunities.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: seagull

Yeah, most of them seemed to be boring, peaceful, idyllic little spots strategically located as water stops for stage horses and later trains. The classic musical ballads inspired by the real old west paint a picture considerably different from Hollywood's near apocalyptic vision too many people imagine when they think of the old west. To qualify as one of the few violent old west towns like a Tombstone, Dodge City, or Deadwood, the place needed to be attractive to outsiders in the form of mining or as a hub for livestock selling, have a significant gambling table that had stakes high enough to draw the handful of professional card players that roamed the west and drew trouble with them as they went, and have an abundance of alcohol ready and available, and be small enough in regards to permanent residents that there wasn't a major impetus to "protect" the culture of the existing town prior to the boom period's happening. Not a lot of towns met all 4 of those criteria.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TexasTruth

While your point is valid, I think this is more for the optics.

Apparently they've been having a problem with people getting rattled in light of recent events when they see someone open carrying in Walmart too, causing false alarms.

Though like you noted, this isn't going to do anything to stop a loony.


This will encourage the loonies...

What??? No one can carry guns??? Open season...



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: Iscool

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TexasTruth

While your point is valid, I think this is more for the optics.

Apparently they've been having a problem with people getting rattled in light of recent events when they see someone open carrying in Walmart too, causing false alarms.

Though like you noted, this isn't going to do anything to stop a loony.


This will encourage the loonies...

What??? No one can carry guns??? Open season...


Just conceal if you live in a freedom loving state.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Identified

They're just making a business decision. Guns and ammo are sold at specialty stores anyway. Walmart is not the place for best pricing on guns and ammo.

Get the ammo out of the store and you eliminate the supply riot. Not much security around the guns and ammo department. Sounds like Walmart is just trying to eliminate any trouble going forward.



posted on Sep, 3 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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And the Left hates Walmart because they refuse to unionize.

Walmart just does business, not politics.

Don't worry.







 
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