What do the elite get from poisoning the water of poor people? Why don't Americans care anymore?

I believe the science that lead exposure leads to violence and lower IQ.

Flint horrified me! It was a Republican that poisoned those people! Both Democrats and Republicans suck! They don't care about society! They don't care about the future!

Are they racist or just classist? What do they gain from making poor people stupid and violent?

It seems like since 2014 the world has gotten madder and madder. We have a generation of alienated angry suicidal young men committing mass shootings, increase of greed, increase of economic inequality, increase of anger and hate, and half of eligible voters do not vote.

Things we are experiencing now would be unthinkable in the 80s and 90s!

It seems like the world is going off the rails.

What is happening? Who stands to gain from this?

Why don't people care?

Lead in the gasoline, pencils and paint have disappeared for a good reason.

I wonder if the lead laquer in chinaware bowls is still being used. That really worries me since most bowls are made in China.

What republican? The govenor is a d....the mayor was a d. The move to change water supplies was made by a d. And its because the city was mismanaged and they found themselves in too much debt. Even GM quit using the suly cuz the water was corroding he engines.

It IS disgusting...but there are lots of poorer places than flint. Eastern ky and west virginia for example. Obama and Hillary gutted those places which fueled an opioid crisis.





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The money and infrastructure to fix it is a big problem. A lot of these pipes where put in before they knew any better. To replace a towns water infrastructure is a big job with many places affected. With a life time exposure to these water sources, cognition effects and complacency is standard.

With a very strong militant force taking over the US congress, more resources have been put into global domination than civil wellbeing.

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They get money.

Money brings them power.

Money brings them more time to spend with their family instead of working.

If you never go out into nature except to play golf and your big house and property are kept clean by the staff.
Then why would you care if some water somewhere else is poisoned. You can always pay to have water cleaned for yourself after all.

The small businesses do it because they are trying to become the guy that can pay for clean water.

Is anything done to mitigate the lead within the water supply network?

The company I work for has managed to remove practically all the lead from it's network but it is still present in some homes so we have strict pH control and phosphate dosing.

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Well you won't find the answers on ATS I promise you that. But I'll
give you a clue. The answers to your questions aren't a big secret at all.
Sadly most people reject the answers and the truth. So pull your head
out seek and you will find. Or quit asking.

The governor had nothing to do with poisoning the water. He did have problems with believing so called experts that said citizens of Flint were not being poisoned though. He believed the experts instead of believing the customers complaining about the funny tasting water. Heck, the water in our local towns sucks, they keep saying it is safe, but it just tastes like crap. Lots of people using bottled water here because of the crappy city water.

There was no way that the governor could have known that the lead was leaching out of the pipes, he fired the people that deceived him after he found out the people complaining were right to complain. This is more of an issue with someone with credentials blowing off what the common people are saying instead of actually investigating it open mindedly. It happens all the time, doctors are really good at blowing off what people say, so are many professional people with college conditioning. The people are trained in college to believe in what they are taught, to believe in what should be the case, not what actually is the case.

if you knew what you were talking about in Flint you would know Detroit shut Flints water supply off early causing them to have to start the water treatment plant earlier than planned.

Just an FYI

About thirty years ago I read an article on the condition of the Detroit water system. Apparently, back then at least, the system was in such bad shape because they merely added to it over the years without upgrading it. In the oldest neighborhoods they still used pipes made from tree logs in the late 1800s. The lead pipes were added after that, but before they realized they were causing lead poisoning (or so they claim). After galvanized pipes came into use, they were joined with lead solder in addition to being galvanized. Even the safer copper pipes were joined with lead.

They knew using lead pipes for transporting water was a stupid idea since the late 1800s. But lead piping was being used since the ancient Roman empire started using it (the word plumber came from the Latin word plumbum, meaning lead). Some cities began banning it's use as early as the 1920s. The use of lead house paint was banned in the US in 1978, long after studies showed it was poisoning the people inside the homes. The use of lead water service pipes was banned in the US sometime in the 1960s.

So it was a matter of building the water system by the easiest and cheapest methods that were in common use as it was expanded. The government likely knew about a lot of the risks, but the water quality was just good enough to not alarm anyone for a long time. Now we've got a patch work of aging infrastructure that is super expensive to upgrade and poisoning people in older neighborhoods.

ETA: The Lead Industries Association (LIA) that was formed in 1928 was a strong lobby that advocated the continued use of lead pipes for water service. Because this was in reaction to the awareness of lead poisoning the water since the 1800s, it is an indication of the greed aspect involved in not using safer and cheaper materials like iron for pipes.

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The problem here is that both parties have avoided infrastructure spending for decades. Its not sexy enough and doesnt win you local elections.

Oops! Double post!

originally posted by: CmdrShep2154
Flint horrified me! It was a Republican that poisoned those people! Both Democrats and Republicans suck! They don't care about society! They don't care about the future!

I think you answered your own question there. No one seems to care about the actual issues. They just want to blame the other political party for it.

We’ve been talking about this Flint water issue since OBAMA. The whole thing has become a bureaucratic mess. “It’s the republican’s fault!” “The democrats are to blame!” You know what’s not happening? No one is FIXING THE FECKING PROBLEM!

The issue is not that people don’t care. We all care. It’s our government that doesn’t care. We rely on a faceless, soulless entity to solve all of our problems instead of taking responsibility and fixing the problem ourselves.

Edit: Newark is facing the same problem now. Judging by the way that Flint has been handled, it most likely will not be resolved anytime soon. I bet if this happened where any politicians lived, it would be fixed in twenty-four hours.

Shouldn't this have been one of the "shovel ready" projects that Obama spoke of when he was touting his "stimulus package".

I wonder where that money went?

“I don't drink water. Fish fook in it.”

― W.C. Fields

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What do they gain from making poor people stupid and violent?

Divide-and-conquer. Both for power and profit. Can't have problems actually solved because then there's no problems to get folks all riled up and agitated about.

Chicago, for example. Some of the highest rates of murder and mayhem in their inner cities, which too many people use as a cudgel to blame ALL Black people for the crimes of a relative few. And, of course, which too many people use as a cudgel to blame ALL guns for the crimes of a few using them to murder.

Think Black Lives Matter. Do these people not know or understand the problem with lead poisoning in their own homes and neighborhoods? Because I've never seen Black Lives Matter address this issue.

Kanye tried... Kanye was ready, willing and able... and within a month his charity -- the charity Kanye founded -- was basically wrested away from him. Because, ya know, Kanye won't hate on Trump. Forget whatever good Kanye could have and would have accomplished. Nope. Can't have that cuz orange man bad.

Think of Jay Z. Talked Meek Mills and others out of meeting with Trump on prison and sentencing reform... only to recently announce a for-profit deal with the NFL to promote his own brand of political activism. Why? Because the NFL and JayZ have so much more power to make the necessary changes than the president? Nope. They just don't want the president (or anyone) fixing the problems they can exploit and make a fortune off of.

And in the case of lead in water, there's a quick and easy fix: Relatively inexpensive home reverse osmosis water filtration systems remove lead from water. That's how easy it is to fix the problem.

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The elites dont care because they live in gated communities far from the hollowed out pits of despair in fly-over country. As far as they are concerned, fly-over country is just another third world region to be avoided at all costs. Its kinda like Brazil where the wealthy live in private compunds and helicopter over the slums encircling the cities to go to work everyday.

Sadly, fly-over country really is becoming a third world region of a first world so-called nation. In truth, the elites dont care about their so-called fellow Americans because they understand that the US is a nation-state unraveling. Its less a real "country" than it is a colony of the big corporations.

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Remember these tips.

It's a lot easier to buy clean water than it is clean air.

Try not to eat or cook with plastic, use vitrified dinnerware.

Organic is sometimes not as good as you think it is

You and only you are responsible for your own health

They get votes. Career politicians don't care about issues, they only care about votes & will tell you anything to get your vote, whether its true or not. Many career politicians have never worked an honest day's work in their life, like Bernie Sanders. Political office is a service, not a career. This is why we must not vote for career politicians.

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Are they racist or just classist? What do they gain from making poor people stupid and violent?

Power and money. Some people like it so much they will kill for it.