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The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves The Slaves That Time Forgot

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posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you think "the new socialist party in the U.S." would ever consider reparations of all other people whom were not black? I doubt it.
Shrieks-Like-The-Wind Warren is way ahead of you, she has already filed a bill seeking "gay reparations"




posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: LABTECH767

When it comes to slavery and teh Irish it is all over the place and it went the other way too mate....................

Norwegian Vikings used slaves captured in Africa and settled them on return in their Ireland colonies to work the land. Hence so many modern Irish and their diaspora having north / central African DNA to tell the story


Ahh, that is one of the many explanation's, even when old Brian Baru and his men (half of whom were nativised viking descendants themselves) drove the viking's out (they didn't or places like Limerick may not have so many pretty 'Irish girl's today' - well before most of them moved abroad to other nations - rather they just defeated them and drove the then 'current' viking's away but they called it driving them out) there were ancient link's between the Ancient - and very cultured Irish and British (whom despite being joined at the hip and sharing the same culture (And a great deal of the same DNA) before the Roman period used to frequently raid one another for slaves, woman (despite the Celt's being surprisingly progressive in sexual equality for there period) and treasure - they also had ancient trade link's to north Africa and the ancient classical world and since long before that to at least the neolithic period, along these trade routes human DNA also traveled as did cultural influence, Ireland has a surprisingly diverse ancestry including quite a lot of Berber both from Islamic controlled Spain and even before that to north AND West Africa and from long before the Phoenician/Carthaginian period, also though never taken control of by Rome they were frequently raided and indeed frequently raided back into Roman territory so genetic material traveled that way as well.

There are also claim's of Egyptian ancestry as in England which given the importance of the ancient tin trade (used for bronze making) of Cornwall just a hop and a tiny jump from Eira is not that surprising.

There is also a fair share of Semitic/probably Jewish Ancestry in the Irish.

And there are claim's of linguistic similarity's between the Gaelic/Irish language and the Semitic language tree though it is regarded as an Indo-European language, words such as Shamrock which in Arabic for example is Shamrack seem to suggest that it at least has some linguistic factors shared between these languages so the classification of the Gaelic language family origin may be wrong or it may be actually far more of a hodge podge language just like most modern tongues are today.

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posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Maybe I’m wrong, gonna do some reading now..

But as a BS prediction, usually when they put something in “” like “Irish slaves”, it is because they really weren’t that, that is why in conversation or writing someone would put it in quotation marks...

Because the author called them “slaves”, but they really weren’t “slaves”.



Just pointing out a common propaganda trick.. put a false claim in quotations, then when pushed say “I didn’t say it... I was just quoting whoever “.



Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.


COVER IT UP COVER IT UP COVER IT UP COVER IT UP COVER IT UP COVER IT UP YOU'RE RACIST

S+F for the OP.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: peskyhumans

What they were doing was getting rid of those they saw as a nuisance within what they considered their domain. Vagrants on the street, the mothers whose only crime was stealing some bread to feed her hungry kids, the poor person who couldn't afford their taxes, as well as some with more serious crimes. And, no, they weren't forced to come, but they were given a choice where the other option was much worse. And, ya there were poor people who were eager to sign away a few years of their life in exchange for free open land and more opportunities. I mean, let's face it, the working conditions for the poor in england was not that much better than what you described. It was a choice of either doing what the factory ordered you to do or risk a trip back to the work house.
So you had indentured servants from england working next to the Irish, german, and African being treated horribly. Unskilled workers were treated horribly, kids were sent out to be apprentices to learn a trade and were treated horribly. Thus, the rise of labor unions..
But, the story of the African diverged from that of the indentured servant and lasted far longer after the practice of indentured servants ended and became more brutal because the servants were no longer of the masters own kind but so different that is was easy for them to justify whatever kind of treatment because they were savages and less than human.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
Ireland has a surprisingly diverse ancestry including quite a lot of Berber both from Islamic controlled Spain


Totally know where you're coming from
The famous 'Irish eyes' some inhabitants have the way they radiate it is exactly the same as Berber eyes. Totally awesome link between the two but it's only sea that seperates them and totally unique to these two peoples Also totally agree on the Jewish front....... Maybe a strong connection through the Phoenician who were the same people back then on their trading routes, in addition to the later settlement especially far south of Ireland by Sephardim fleeing the Spanish Inquisition. Many Irish names descend from those fleeing the Catholic church



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

10:55 second video. Then we can understand who and what companies uphold the modern slavery of today.

Those companies should be banned or denied access to even trade within western countries.


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posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

So now the Republican Party is supposed to give everyone who registers a full background check before they allow a person in?

Is that how the Democrats do it when they basically chuck free registration at anyone and everyone willy nilly?



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 04:54 PM
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The problem with your post is that if Americans are paying reparations for slaves, they wouldn't be paying reparations for slaves in other countries, it doesn't make sense. Then you have to look at the statistics and ask, what percent of slaves in America were white? Probably not high enough to make reparations for white slaves to make any sense.

As far as reparations go, I'm not for it at the moment.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: funbobby

You want the US to pay reparations to slavery in other countries as well as our own?
Slavery has been around since the rule of the bigger fist was first discovered.
The US had nothing to do with it.

Indentured servants didnt have it great but they were not slaves and would eventually win their freedom having paid for their passage to America.
They entered into an agreement.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

I'm not sure what part of my post your post addresses, it seems like a non-sequitur.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 05:22 PM
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Anyone wearing Nike shoes or reading this on an Apple device are actively financing slavery.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: MisterSpock
a reply to: JustJohnny

Lol....snopes.....

You're dumber than I thought. You got that going for you....



In other words, the information you provided doesn't agree with what I posted so names lol

You talk alot of # about the left but go ahead and remind us all what the right has been doing to end human trafficking??? Which is, as i'm sure you know the main contributer to modern day slavery.... its ok we'll wait.

What do other countrys have to do with anything? They have slaves in the middle east? Good to know, they also throw gay people off of roofs, stone rape victims and pour acid on peoples faces.... Why should that stop people(particularly of color) from supportong reperations for the u.s making their ancestors slaves?

And last but not least your whole post makes little sense seeing as the slave trade and also slave laws, were in place nearly 100 years after the u.s won its independence... so posting about irish indentured servants in the new world while it was still a british colony is as dumb as they come.

I think its pretty moronic to act like the poc asking for such are in the wrong in anway shape or form. Idk about you, but i'd be pretty pissed if someone in my familys life was stolen and was treated worse than an animal untill death....and i really dont give a damn how long ago it was. Add to that that poc didn't even have the same freedoms that whites had for nearly 120 years AFTER the civil war and its not hard to see why african americans would be seeking compensation....But its alot easier to hold the opinion you have, when your ancestors or race weren't the ones affected.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
African Americans were sitting in the back of bus til 1955 and drinking out of separate water fountains right up until the 60s. meanwhile other nationalities that were discriminated against were high ranking members of society, literally running the police force, fire departments and trades in some areas and one even became a president.

there was a huge difference between chattel slavery and indentured servitude which you would know had you not cherry picked the one article backing up your distorted view of reality. While indentured servants in the United states were a mix of political prisoners and people who literally signed up for it, African American slaves had zero rights and were forced to be slaves generation after generation and did not secure rights bestowed on to other disenfranchised groups until the civil Rights act of 1964. Basic knowledge for anyone not trying to push a stormfrontesque agenda. SMH.

Indentured servant noun
Definition of indentured servant
: a person who signs and is bound by indentures to work for another for a specified time especially in return for payment of travel expenses and maintenance

Source: Merriam Webster dictionary.



Completely agree. At least theres a few people on this site with a brain left. But even after the civil rights act blacks still had plenty of discrimination and injustice to live through. It really wasnt till 20 to 30 years ago that racism really started to die out with the majority of people.


And just for the record.... cause I know the man babby republicans will claim such, I don't think the op is racist for having this view. I just think he or she is stupid af. Theres a big difference....



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: darkbake

What the percentage of whites descended from African slaves? What about the blacks descended from black slave owners or from white slave owners for that matter?

This is why reparations are a very, very bad idea.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 08:03 PM
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a reply to: Jg513

What's a "man babby"?



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
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It is only in rightwing world where no one knows basically every race and culture kept and were slaves at some point..
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Wrong... the ones whom are acting like no other race ever endured racism, or slavery is the radical left...



originally posted by: JustJohnny
Here is the difference..

African slavery was HERE and less than 2 life times ago.. quite a bit less..

Almost No African American before the last generation received ANY benefit from their fire fathers labor.. zero..

None inherited a business, land or anything else..


Wrong again... I posted EVIDENCE that the first person in the U.S. to legally own a black slave for life was another black male. His name was Anthony Johnson, and after his "indentured servitude ended, after 14 years, he was given land and was set free. He was the first person in the U.S. to own a black slave for life, and he went to court to get that "right."

The First Slave


originally posted by: JustJohnny
And the rapes.... well we all know what happens when you give males god like power over females.. the rapes would have been universal and besides pissing off the white women, were 100% legal ..


Plenty of white women were also raped by certain Native American tribes, or by the Mexican soldiers...



originally posted by: JustJohnny
North and south kinda reconciled by agreeing it was all the slaves fault for not knowing their place... and yes that was specificities said by the elected politicians of the time.


BULLCRAP... Care to show EVIDENCE that the north blamed slaves for the civil war?...


originally posted by: JustJohnny
AND ALL OF THAT ONLY ENED 50 YEARS AGO..


Yet people like you keep forgetting that it was the DEMOCRAT PARTY which wanted to keep slavery and whom fought for their "right to keep slaves..."

It was also the DEMOCRAT PARTY the one that vetoed every attempt in which Republicans tried to implement Civil Right Acts giving freedom to blacks, and other minorities such as women. It was also the Republican party with Republican women whom succeeded in also giving the right to vote to all women meanwhile DEMOCRATS tried to veto such legislation...

As for your claims that I must be a racist for posting this thread... Just another BS claim made up by another lefty.







edit on 4-9-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: Jg513
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You talk alot of # about the left but go ahead and remind us all what the right has been doing to end human trafficking??? Which is, as i'm sure you know the main contributer to modern day slavery.... its ok we'll wait.


So, combating human trafficking is the contributor to modern day slavery and it's the fault of the right?... Care to actually give CREDIBLE sources for this claim?...


originally posted by: Jg513
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Why should that stop people(particularly of color) from supportong reperations for the u.s making their ancestors slaves?
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Because NO ONE whom is alive today were part of the people whom kept slaves...

What's more. Since it was DEMOCRATS the ones whom wanted to keep slavery alive and well perhaps it should be democrats, not tax payer money, whom should pay these reparations from their own pockets...

Go ahead and yell at Pelosi, or any other DEMOCRAT, that they should give blacks their own money...


originally posted by: Jg513
And last but not least your whole post makes little sense seeing as the slave trade and also slave laws, were in place nearly 100 years after the u.s won its independence... so posting about irish indentured servants in the new world while it was still a british colony is as dumb as they come.


Wrong again, Republican states passed laws to abolish slavery and made slaves living in Republican states free men and women BEFORE the Civil War.


Republican Philadelphia
Republican Platform of 1856
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Resolved: That, with our Republican fathers, we hold it to be a self-evident truth, that all men are endowed with the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that the primary object and ulterior design of our Federal Government were to secure these rights to all persons under its exclusive jurisdiction; that, as our Republican fathers, when they had abolished Slavery in all our National Territory, ordained that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, it becomes our duty to maintain this provision of the Constitution against all attempts to violate it for the purpose of establishing Slavery in the Territories of the United States by positive legislation, prohibiting its existence or extension therein. That we deny the authority of Congress, of a Territorial Legislation, of any individual, or association of individuals, to give legal existence to Slavery in any Territory of the United States, while the present Constitution shall be maintained.
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Republican Philadelphia

Everyone's family has had problems in the past, to claim that people whom live now, and WERE NOT PRESENT when slavery existed, must pay reparations to people living now is not only stupid, but it isn't right.

NO ONE whom is alive today partook in slavery of black people.

However, since you want to be mad at someone, perhaps you should put your hatred towards the party that wanted to keep slavery and fought for over 200 years to keep slaves... That is the DEMOCRAT party...



posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 01:59 AM
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LOL @ this white nationalist crap. You guys really need to tone down the propaganda. It's pathetically obvious how bigoted you guys are.
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posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How about we collectively try to end the child slavery and human trafficking that is currently happening on earth instead of trying to fix the past by paying people who were never slaves some money for their victimless life


there are child slaves forced into warfare , child slaves forced into sex , forced into slavery and sold to the highest bidder
and it happens to men and women too .


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posted on Sep, 5 2019 @ 06:08 AM
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descendants of neanderthals demannding reparations from homo sapiens

Descendants of Elam requesting reparations from Sumer

descendants of Europeans demanding reparations from the Roman Empire

Indigenous peoples of the big turtle demanding reparations from the Vikings

where do we stop ?

Honestly , we cant fix the past with money, money doesnt fix a damaged Ego

but what we can do as a species is ensure we dont enslave anymore humans or tolerate it .

Yet here we have child slaves, human trafficking , you name it , it happens.



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