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The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves The Slaves That Time Forgot

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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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By John Martin
Global Research, March 16, 2018
Oped News 14 April 2008
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England’s “Irish Slaves” Meme: The Numbers

By Liam Hogan, June 10, 2016

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
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The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves
The Slaves That Time Forgot


We have got in the U.S. several socialists, they are not democrat anymore, wanting to implement "reparations" to pay for the African slave trade. But if such reparations were to be implemented why are these people not pointing to other slaves which were used around the world such as the Irish?

In the 1600s, and even to this day, there is still a slave market in several Muslim countries, yet the left around the world don't say a peep about these other slaves, many of whom still exist to this date.

Why is it that socialists, no longer democrats, want to impose "reparations" and want people whom were not alive during the slave trade in the U.S. to pay for those reparations? IMO this is nothing more than another excuse socialists, no longer democrats, want to impose simply to gain the votes of blacks.

If these "socialists" were really concerned about the people whom suffered under slavery then pretty much everyone whom is alive today would have to be paid "reparations." Nearly every race has had to suffer slavery throughout the history of Earth. Hispanics, blacks, Asians, and even whites all have had to undergo slavery.

Heck in the U.S. there were actually some blacks whom had black slaves. Such as Anthony Johnson whom lived from 1600-1670, and was the first person in the colonies to legally own a black slave. Of course Johnson did not come to the Americas on his own volition. He had been captured by other black tribesmen and was sold as an indentured servant to merchants. But back then indentured servants could only serve an average of 7 years, others had to be servants for longer, and after their servitude their owners had to free them and give them 50 acres of land. However Johnson worked as an indentured servant for 14 years.

In 1654 Johnson went to court to fight for "his right to own a slave," and as a matter of fact he fought to keep his black slave for life and he won.

The First Slave

So what about this type of cases? Should all blacks whom live today and are relatives of slave owners like Johnson also be forced to pay "reparations" to other blacks?

What about the Irish? Should Britain pay reparations for the Irish slaves they used?

What about the Jewish people whom were slaves of Egypt?

What about the Jewish and Christians whom were forced to be slaves, or even slave wives, of Muslims starting with Mohammed?

What about the Hispanics, mostly from Spain, or all the other slaves which included whites alongside people of other races which the Romans had?

What about the Chinese people whom were slaves of dynasties like the Shang dynasty? Should the relatives of those whom held slaves pay other relatives of the Chinese they held as slaves?

If we were to post all the slaves that were ever owned and if today's relatives of those whom held slaves had to pay "reparations" the entire world would have to implement such a law.

So why is it that socialists, no longer democrats, only want to concentrate on blacks and not on all the other people whom had to live as slaves throughout the history of the world?

"Reparations" is one of the many stupid laws that "socialists" want to implement yet they don't want you to know about all the other slaves, and slave owners whom were not white.

Do you think "the new socialist party in the U.S." would ever consider reparations of all other people whom were not black? I doubt it.







edit on 2-9-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP that hits close to home for me, as I am Cherokee and Irish.

My Irish side came to America as "indentured servants" in the early 1700's.

I've always found it odd that slavery is a topic again in America but it's only the black slaves.

Almost like they are targeting a voting bloc...

And for the record, the subject of reparations nowadays is just identity politics at its worst.

S&F!



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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No one want to hear this!!! You may be called the dreaded “R” word!



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP that hits close to home for me, as I am Cherokee and Irish.

My Irish side came to America as "indentured servants" in the early 1700's.

I've always found it odd that slavery is a topic again in America but it's only the black slaves.

Almost like they are targeting a voting bloc...

And for the record, the subject of reparations nowadays is just identity politics at its worst.

S&F!







Also a bit strange that the resurgence of the discussion is historic and not in any way pertaining to the actual slavery that is taking place in modern times across the world.

It's almost like it's a talking point for the intellectually(and morally) dim and not an actual discussion taking place out of any desire to solve actual problems of the modern human race.



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock

If politicians solve all our problems, then what use are they after that?

Nah... for them it's all about job security.




posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: MisterSpock

If politicians solve all our problems, then what use are they after that?

Nah... for them it's all about job security.



Make good firewood......



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Maybe I’m wrong, gonna do some reading now..

But as a BS prediction, usually when they put something in “” like “Irish slaves”, it is because they really weren’t that, that is why in conversation or writing someone would put it in quotation marks...

Because the author called them “slaves”, but they really weren’t “slaves”.



Just pointing out a common propaganda trick.. put a false claim in quotations, then when pushed say “I didn’t say it... I was just quoting whoever “.



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: MisterSpock

If politicians solve all our problems, then what use are they after that?

Nah... for them it's all about job security.



Make good firewood......


I'm assuming they wouldn't burn very well.

But they COULD chop firewood well.

They should be our slaves once they have solved all the problems!!!

And the circle is complete.



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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Maybe I’m wrong, gonna do some reading now..

But as a BS prediction, usually when they put something in “” like “Irish slaves”, it is because they really weren’t that, that is why in conversation or writing someone would put it in quotation marks...

Because the author called them “slaves”, but they really weren’t “slaves”.

Just pointing out a common propaganda trick.. put a false claim in quotations, then when pushed say “I didn’t say it... I was just quoting whoever “.


If you are "indentured" (owned) for 99 years and your life expectancy was 47, then what does that make you?

Speaking of propaganda tricks... trying to manipulate the language instead of dealing with the reality...

pphhttt



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

www.snopes.com...



Oh what do you know snopes calls the America part false..


Because Irish people were not chattel slaves..surprise surprise.


“Unlike institutionalized chattel slavery, indentured servitude was neither hereditary nor lifelong; unlike black slaves, white indentured servants had legal rights; unlike black slaves, indentured servants weren't considered property.”


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Lol....snopes.....

You're dumber than I thought. You got that going for you....



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Indentured servitude didn’t last 99 years..we’ll not unless you were a criminal.


Also they did not own your children, you had rights and you were not considered property..



It wasn’t legal to rape your Irish indentured servants... it was legal to rape your slaves.. at any age... which they did in every single plantation and every other chattel slavery set up in world history.


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

wow... Yes you are wrong... Every race has it's history of slavery, and even in the U.S. there wasn't slavery at first, there was "indenture servitude" including for blacks whom were sold by other black tribes to merchants. But the left never mention these facts.



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Colonization is something I think most cultures, races, and creeds can sympathize with.

No one has a monopoly on it, and no one deserves to be under sold on how it effected them.
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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..



posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

I didn’t put it in quotations lol...


If they were comfortable calling them slaves they would not have either.


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Lumenari

Indentured servitude didn’t last 99 years..we’ll not unless you were a criminal.


Also they did not own your children, you had rights and you were not considered property..



It wasn’t legal to rape your Irish indentured servants... it was legal to rape your slaves.. at any age... which they did in every single plantation and every other chattel slavery set up in world history.


~sigh~

poor Johnny.

Yes, some Irish indentured servants had 99 years of servitude to do.

Some Irish males were only given 20... then they wore them out on the cotton barges in 5 years and threw them off the barge and into the water when they broke their backs catching bales.

Some Irish women were only given 20 years... but the spawn of the owner and the "servant" was property of the owner.

Rape was illegal, yes... the burden of proof was on the woman however.

So yes, after the 20 years was over they could leave their children behind and just leave, with no other way to support themselves.

I guess you have no idea where the term "red-headed stepchild" came from...

You have an internet connection and a brain.

If you used both, then you wouldn't be half as embarrassing to yourself as you are today.

But then you would be a lot less entertaining to me...

~pondering~


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Many owners of "indentured servants" kept their "slaves" longer than their contract specified, including whites like many Irish and they were harshly treated. I have even shown that the first person to have a legal slave for life in what were back then the British colonies was black, Anthony Johnson.

The claim that what the left wants to call "indentured servants" were not treated harshly is false. Even in Ireland it was completely legal for rich landowners to kill the Irish people whom worked their fields... And these people were not "indentured servants/slaves" they were not sold like many of the Irish were to some of the Caribbean islands... But you, and the PC want to claim that the Irish which were sold as slaves were treated nicely?...

Before slavery existed in the American colonies what the left wants to call "indentured servants" included blacks... i guess those blacks whom were "indentured servants" were treated good, and were never punished...





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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..


How very Progressive of you to think that 1863 was 2 life times ago...

Do you just re-write history as you go?

Or are you just that brainwashed?


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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How very conservative of you lol...


Please quote where I said that every race hasn’t been and kept slaves????


It just seems to me the slavery that was the backbone of half the American economy less than 2 life times ago is more relevant..


If you were a bit more progressive, and less of a nationalist, you'd probably care more about the current day slave trade and less about what happened 100 years ago.




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