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The United Kingdom doesn’t exist.

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posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 03:51 PM
It is essential to the whole debate that it is fully understood that to have a 2nd referendum, and for it to be democratic, the first result has to be honoured and delivered, which it hasn't, because we haven't left the EU yet. If the remainers that have impeded and frustrated the delivery of the first result actually accepted it in the first place, the whole thing could have been done with, and remainers could then have set about seeking to bring about another referendum.

It is a particular group of Remainers who do not want the first result honoured because of the loss of both privilege and personal finance. They are not blocking the process for ordinary people who voted to remain, they are doing it for themselves, to safeguard their own benefits. Oh yes, they'll give the impression that they are fighting the remain corner, and they will happily take all the whinging from ordinary remainers as support for their own arguments. These remainers do not care for the democratic process, they only want to serve one interest, and that is 'self'. You do not allow that to happen!!!

What part of 'the EU is not democratic' do remainers not understand? Why do remainers want to hand Britain over to the unelected and unaccountable EU? Why do they want to sell and betray Britain into the hands of the EU? If you want to do that you cannot be English, because no Englishman would ever betray or allow the betrayal of their country. If the Scots and the Irish want to separate, then let them go, if the Welsh want to do so, then let them go. I believe eventually they will want to come back and re-amalgamate the UK again. It will take decades and it will take a lot of economic pain. We are stronger together and united, but it is something you have to let them find out for themselves (I suspect they already know).

As for the EU...# 'em! We should be able to trade with any European country without having to hand over an ounce of sovereignty or self-determination, or to dilute our English culture and our English way of life. Without having had Britain tethered to them the EU would not be as strong as it is today...that is, strong in all the wrong ways. We will never all sit around a campfire and sing Kum bah Yah, our cultures and mindsets are entirely different, we can visit each other, but we don't have the stomach to actually live with each other, and to be honest, I doubt any of us would want to.

Those who voted to leave did so out of irreconcilable differences in ideology, we see what the EU is, and we rejected it, and will continue to do so. If we allow dickheads to hand Britain's sovereignty over to the dictatorship that is the EU, what need is there for monarchy, that would have to be dissolved?

Britain is for the British, and I do mean the real British, the English, the Welsh, the Scots, and the Northern Irish (until Ireland is allowed to fully repatriate some time in the future). It is not for the EU!!!

posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 04:04 PM

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
A few things....

Firstly yes the UK voted to leave the EU but what that actually means is very ambiguous, you can leave the EU and still be part of the ECC for example.

Yes a deal was always part of the plan, you can reading on the VoteLeave owns website who said there would be a UK/EU treaty in place.

The vote was never legally binding.

Its astounding that Leavers say its undemocratic to ask for a second referendum to settle this issue yet have no issue with the proroguing of parliament. You see yes there was going to be a recess but the plan was to vote to cancel this recess to keep the current session running to find a way through this impass but Boris has robbed parliament of this opportunity. When the speaker is calling it a democratic outrage then you know there is a problem.

Both sides have a lot to answer for, I am fed up of one side blaming the other the truth is this is what happens when you use direct democracy to direct a parliamentary democracy it doesn't work. Lets stop pretending its "undemocratic" to block no-deal because no-deal will be economically devastating or this country.

It is entirely undemocratic to block a no deal.
Parliament's and the Govt's #1 job is to leave the EU and ensure the country is prepared with the best deal possible - including no deal if the EU are not prepared to give us a deal.
It's really simple. The group that are trying to stop the Govt from leaving the EU (pretending it's about no deal and removing a major bargaining chip of this Govt in the negotiations), are traitors to this country. They can lie to themseleves that they are not, but they're not fooling anyone.

You see the one thing these people have NEVER articulated is HOW we leave on the 31st Oct (or the 31st March already gone for that matter). They have no answers to that and that is JUST how they like it. Stall, pretend the sky is going to fall and carry on the delay until staying in the EU is the outcome. They may not realise it, but they are wholly transparent.
edit on 2/9/2019 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 04:14 PM
a reply to: elysiumfire

This is all just part of a larger worldwide operation to not only shape the narrative that globalism necessitates the removal of sovereignty.. As well as work towards implementing that system.

Part of the method for achieving that is done by cutting off successful nations at the knees to bring "world equality" and solve "wealth inequality." Im not sure its occurred to these folks they could instead bring less successful nations up, since that flirts dangerously close to empowering the average person.

posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 04:23 PM
I quite agree,Serdgiam, you expound on it quite succinctly, and eloquently, and I am quite aware of the globalist goal. It is not for the benefit of the ordinary man or woman, and I wish they could all see that, every man and woman. We are being made into cogs of their machine to serve their needs and egos.

posted on Sep, 2 2019 @ 05:12 PM

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Flavian

There is no legal obligation for them to abide by the vote.

So why have a vote? What was the object of spending £129 plus million to

hold a referendum which was not going to be legal and didn't have any objective?

A senseless waste of money.

There is a legal obligation to leave on the 31st of October but there isn't anything legal that says they can't just revoke article 50, remain in the EU and totally ignore the vote.

All pointless..... why bother..... if nothing can be held to account.

Yes they said that they would respect the vote but its only words, there was never any legal obligation to adhere to the vote.

Only words? what a waste of £129 plus millions .......

posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 06:25 AM

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird

Oh ya, democracy not working. That's sad, but then again, it never worked for the Greeks either, and they invented it.

But anyways, so much drama over nothing. The worst news to come out of that little island across the pond in the past 50 years is the spice girls break up. The world, lived through that much bigger catastrophe, and pretty sure will live through this as well.

It did work for the Greeks, they let the spartans rule in their own way and the Athenians ruled in their own way , because they knew fair well that the Athenians and the Spartans were two different cultures united by diplomacy.
Spartans were warrior like and always waged war, where as the Athenians were more diplomatic and philosophical and thats why they created city states and the republic.

However the UK doesnt have any city states, accept for London, but London wants to control the rest of the Uk like we are its porperty
and not our own individual city state with our own rules
and there is no republic when we have a monarch.

End it now , and give us our city states with devolved power and a republic!

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posted on Sep, 4 2019 @ 02:48 PM

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Flavian

Yes but the point am making is a factual one, there is no legal obligation to adhere to the advisory vote.

Am not arguing about what we should and should not be doing just clarifying the legal position.

Parliament decided to adhere to the result of the 'advisory' vote and overwhelmingly voted to trigger Article 50 based on that. This then makes it legal and forces mandate to proceed. There is no legal mandate to reverse Article 50 as the House has not voted on it.

They are unlikely to reverse the decision as they do not want to risk being the party that defied the decision as laid out by the people.
edit on 4 9 2019 by PaddyInf because: (no reason given)

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