Not everybody has to have a soul

originally posted by: MaMaa
It's possible the idea of a soul is just that, an idea and it doesn't actually exist anywhere outside of our heads.

The idea of a soul is an attempt to describe consciousness as inhabiting a body.
if we can agree that consciousness exists, then we can understand the idea of consciousness inhabiting a body.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
It seems like we all assume that everyone has a soul.
But if we are to really understand what the matrix is about then we cannot assume that everyone has a soul.

The idea that everyone has a soul is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning. Because of this, it should not be accepted as fact that everyone has a soul.

The idea we live in the matrix is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning:

Reality is not what you think it is, wish it to be, philosophical materialism is just a fairy tale. Realism is wishful thinking. The Matrix is delusion

a reply to: SourceTruth
There are no souls.....
There is just the one life...... this is it.... whatever is happening.

originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: MaMaa
It's possible the idea of a soul is just that, an idea and it doesn't actually exist anywhere outside of our heads.

The idea of a soul is an attempt to describe consciousness as inhabiting a body.
if we can agree that consciousness exists, then we can understand the idea of consciousness inhabiting a body.

What actually exists?
Only what appears to be happening appears to exist.
Take a thought.... how long does it appear to exist?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

How do you know?

a reply to: SourceTruth
The thing is; what actually can be known?
And what is make believe?

Did the video get watched?

a reply to: visitedbythem

I recommend google if they want to know about sexual behavior.

Mind and tell them to open an incognito window all the same if there not wanting God to find their history.

Piss take aside i have always been interested in Nephilim/Rephaim/Anakim.

a reply to: Spacespider

To ask what a soul is made out of has the presumption that it is material.

Perhaps it is not. In fact, haven't we accepted by now that even matter is merely a collection of vibrating energy? What manifests as substance is merely our interpretation of it.

a reply to: povray

Our brains may be connected to the quantum realm in ways we have fully yet to realize or comprehend.

If we do have an essence, soul, shared consciousness, my bet is we will find it down there amongst the foam.

Might all just be Boltzmann Brains for all we know.

a reply to: Nothin

Kate Bush is an acquired taste. I haven't heard that song in years!

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I liked your video!

I'm still deeply shocked by the results of the following experiments. Most people just shrug it off as fake science because it is so counter intuitive to the mindset of realism:

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: Itisnowagain

How do you know?

Great response!

I think consciousness continues after death and here's why. Everything we've discovered about nature turns out to be so much stranger than anything we could have ever imagined. In this way thinking, the most strangest possibility is probably what will be the reality we experience.

originally posted by: povray
a reply to: Spacespider

To ask what a soul is made out of has the presumption that it is material.

Perhaps it is not. In fact, haven't we accepted by now that even matter is merely a collection of vibrating energy? What manifests as substance is merely our interpretation of it.

This is great post. The thing is people's presumption that all we are is material is so strong of a dogma it's really not possible to question it the way you have done.

Most materialists simply do not believe consciousness exists let alone a soul, animism, or vitalism. How can you argue with someone about vitalism if they do not even believe their own consciousness is real which they are directly experiencing every moment!!!

a reply to: dfnj2015
It is assumed that there is a seer/knower separate from the seen/known......

What is appearing is empty......

Emptiness is form.....form is empty.

The knower and the known are one.
The father and son are one.

The one life, the way, the truth..... this is oneness, aliveness..... nothing separate.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
The idea we live in the matrix is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning:

The idea is not that we live in a literal computer stimulation but more of a dream state illusion. It can still be called a matrix though.

But when we use this analogy of a stimulation we can understand certain things better with the analogy.
It becomes more logical when you compare it in an analogy way to our existence in this reality.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Peoples bodies are material. The soul may not be material, but the brain is and the mind is just something that comes from the brain.
The body is like a character in a game, while the soul is logged into the game through that game. The rest are non playable characters because nobody is logged onto them.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: SourceTruth
The thing is; what actually can be known?
And what is make believe?

Did the video get watched?

With what he says about consciousness being bizarre, he seems to have the same belief that we are all consciousness. But when you give up that idea, you can make philosophical progress.

originally posted by: SourceTruth

originally posted by: dfnj2015
The idea we live in the matrix is not rooted in any rigorous reasoning:

The idea is not that we live in a literal computer stimulation but more of a dream state illusion. It can still be called a matrix though.

There is just dreaming.... everything is dream stuff.... even that body is just appearing dream stuff.
The assumption is that it is 'your' body.... it isn't, it's just a body.

Nothing is yours..... there actually is no you - there is just what is......always just this.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

There is a you, but it is exists separately of the dream matrix you are in.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
I think consciousness continues after death and here's why. Everything we've discovered about nature turns out to be so much stranger than anything we could have ever imagined. In this way thinking, the most strangest possibility is probably what will be the reality we experience.

The idea that consciousness can exist after death brings up many questions.

If we start with that idea and include with it the idea that everyone has a soul, then each person's soul must survive death. This would create an ever increasing number of souls that exist somewhere else.

If you discard the idea that everyone has a soul and instead use the idea that only some people have a soul, then you don't have this same problem.

And if you accept that the soul can live on after death, why should the soul not have existed before birth? How can we have souls being created if there are souls that exist before? Because all of these souls have to come from somewhere.

These questions can be solved more easily with the idea that not everyone has a soul. This does bring up additional implications and it is not a complete solution, but it is more logically coherent then the idea that everyone has a soul, and it can answer these questions more effectively.